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Who Influenced the Electorate More, Mel Gibson or Michael Moore? (vanity)
na ^ | 11-03-04 | Flying Elvis

Posted on 11/03/2004 8:02:28 PM PST by flying Elvis

The MSM has made much over values and morality being a determining factor in this election. They specifically cite the gay marriage bans as well as abortion and stem cell research as reasons the so called Religious Right came out in huge numbers. I think The Passion also played a role in this election, much more than Farenheit 911. The liberal intolerance surrounding The Passion woke up a lot of people to the fascism of the left and forced many Protestants and Catholics to choose sides. Your opinions?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bushvictory; gwb2004; influence; melgibson; michaelmoore; thepassion

1 posted on 11/03/2004 8:02:29 PM PST by flying Elvis
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To: flying Elvis

Parker and Stone with "Team America."


2 posted on 11/03/2004 8:03:40 PM PST by peyton randolph (Time for Bush to pack the U.S. Supremes)
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To: flying Elvis

Both. Mel Gibson inspired a lot of people of faith, who got out to cast a vote for W, and against MM.


3 posted on 11/03/2004 8:04:14 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: flying Elvis

swiftvets!!!!!!!


4 posted on 11/03/2004 8:04:18 PM PST by chemical_boy
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To: flying Elvis

None of the above. This election went to Bush because of gay marriage.


5 posted on 11/03/2004 8:05:01 PM PST by Ahriman
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To: flying Elvis

I agree, but I think Michael Moore had a big influence... in turning out Republicans. He galvanized us much more than he united his sicko fanatics.


6 posted on 11/03/2004 8:05:30 PM PST by CSM43 (A plan is not a litany of complaints.)
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To: flying Elvis

mel gibson by far, good observation.


7 posted on 11/03/2004 8:05:34 PM PST by pangaea6
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To: flying Elvis

Moore did. He alone probably drove a million or more voters to the GOP.


8 posted on 11/03/2004 8:06:37 PM PST by thoughtomator (The election's over... let's kick some jihadi butt!)
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To: peyton randolph

Mel was too little too late to affect anything.

Moore-on hurt Kerry a fair bit throughout, but when he
wrote the script for bin Laden's rant (and then stated
his pride in the delivery), that became a major negative
for Kerry.

Moore was looking forward to Bush losing, and getting the
first Oscar in the category:
- Mockumentaries that brought down a President

He'll probably now get neither.


9 posted on 11/03/2004 8:06:58 PM PST by Boundless (Without the Swifties, would Bush have won?)
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To: flying Elvis
Gibson definitely awoke the sleeping giant that is the Catholic Church in America. My Jewish father tonight was so excited about this election, because Bush won 55% of Latino votes in Florida, all because of his appeal to Catholic values and the Church finally getting off its collective behind and taking a stand for life and for traditional marriage. I believe this started with "The Passion."

Michael Moore preached to the leftist choir. The only diference he made was making his own bank account bigger.

10 posted on 11/03/2004 8:07:06 PM PST by Dems_R_Losers (Proud Reagan Alumna!)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

VTW, Luran Ingraham this mornign as an aside said her next campaign is going to be for an Oscar nomination for Gibson and his movie and for Jim Caviezel.


11 posted on 11/03/2004 8:08:25 PM PST by Dems_R_Losers (Proud Reagan Alumna!)
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To: flying Elvis

I think they both spoke to their respective chorus mostly. Moore probably changed a few minds, but not many. Gibson film, whereas a powerful religious message, probably did not help Bush.


12 posted on 11/03/2004 8:08:37 PM PST by Always Right
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To: flying Elvis
Good triumphed over evil, truth over lies. I never thought I would see it happen in my lifetime.

MSM R.I.P.
13 posted on 11/03/2004 8:09:33 PM PST by N. Beaujon
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To: thoughtomator
We need to, over the next few years, attach Michael Moore's name inextricably to the Democratic party.

Always refer to the Democrats as the "Party of Michael Moore".

14 posted on 11/03/2004 8:09:47 PM PST by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: flying Elvis
I was preaching (and posting) this back in April 2004.

Kerry's biggest mistake was his negative comments on the blockbuster Passion movie. Kerry said that he was "unsure" about it (Reuters, "Democrat Kerry Urges Caution On 'Passion,' 26 February 2004, by Patricia Wilson). "I don't know," Kerry said when asked if he would see the Mel Gibson film Christians flocked to see.

As a presidential candidate, Kerry's comments are loaded with meaning for the future of America. Kerry's ill-conceived remarks are an unspoken message to believers that Kerry will strengthen secularists power over believers. Kerry's comments are an elitist attack on believers.

Kerry praised foul-mouthed Whoppi Goldberg and went to Hollywood for votes and donations. It's clear Kerry, Hollyweirdos and Dumbocrats are in league against believers, and stand for everything Christians abhor: They worship abortion, the homosexual agenda, and the stripping away of every Christian symbol in America.

By bashing The Passion, Kerry is pandering to Hollywood secularists. In return, Kerry assures religious-hating Hollywood that a Kerry presidency will strengthen Hollywood's chokehold on American culture.

Candidates igonore Christians concerns at their peril. Kerry's comments and his positions on social issues must reach every Christian pastor, church, and group in America. These are the things Christian voters should talk about:

(1) Kerry's comments about The Passion have effectively disqualified him from holding the highest office in Christian America.

(2) Transparently anti-religious candidates do not deserve Christian votes.

(3) Candidates carrying Bibles and going to church (the Clintons) but who vote against everything Christians believe in will not fool Christians.

(4) Protecting the unborn, the sacredness of marriage, and restoring Christian symbols in American culture are very important matters believers want addressed.

Kerry kneels in obeisance to the small cadre of Hollywarped Christian haters who despise everything Christians stand for.

The future of America depends on putting into office the candidate who supports a Christian-based culture.

15 posted on 11/03/2004 8:10:33 PM PST by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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To: flying Elvis

Michael Moore, and I despise him for putting out that treasonous propaganda. Mel Gibson wouldn't even say if he was going to vote for President Bush. I thought that was weak and pathetic.


16 posted on 11/03/2004 8:11:32 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: flying Elvis

I would have to give them both credit. Mel Gibson for showing us how faith can encourage us to overcome any hardship that comes our way. Michael Moore for giving us the disire go out and vote just to have the pleasure of proving that fat bastard wrong.


17 posted on 11/03/2004 8:12:30 PM PST by Starhopper ( For evil to conquer. Good men need to do nothing.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

We don't need to... they've done it for us!


18 posted on 11/03/2004 8:12:38 PM PST by thoughtomator (The election's over... let's kick some jihadi butt!)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
Always refer to the Democrats as the "Party of Michael Moore".

Agree with modification. Ask "Are you one of those Michael Moore" Democrats ?

19 posted on 11/03/2004 8:12:50 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: N. Beaujon

"The Passion of Christ" is exemplary in the way it unmasks the hypocrisy and depravity of Hollywarped liberals.

The same secular Hollyweirdos who went ballistic when "The Passion" became a blockbuster are the self-same individuals who respond to concerns about Follywood's sexually salacious and gratuitously violent output by saying. "It's only a movie (or TV show)."

Hollywarped lefties want us to believe that 24/7 of sexed-up violent TV, movies and music lyrics are not harming kids and not doing irreparable harm to our culture.

Yet these same depraved lefties believe----with the religious fervor of a Tammy Faye Baker---- that a single 15 sec commercial will compel tens of millions of Americans into thousands of stores to buy billions of dollars worth of soap, soup, breakfast cereal and cars.

They can't have it both ways.


20 posted on 11/03/2004 8:13:54 PM PST by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Gibson definitely awoke the sleeping giant that is the Catholic Church in America.

I disagree. Gibson's reluctance to endorse Bush over objections to Iraq was really pissy on his part.

The Passion was a non-factor in the election.

21 posted on 11/03/2004 8:14:11 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: flying Elvis
Trey Parker and Matthew Stone influenced the electorate more than Lumpy Reifenstahl.

-Eric

22 posted on 11/03/2004 8:14:30 PM PST by E Rocc (Flipper is floating upside down in Lake Erie.)
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To: peyton randolph
Parker and Stone with "Team America."
The "Vote or Die m-f-" video in the first South Park episode just as much.

-Eric

23 posted on 11/03/2004 8:15:46 PM PST by E Rocc (Flipper is floating upside down in Lake Erie.)
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To: flying Elvis

I saw an earlier thread that talked about "The Mother Angelica" vote. That is a big part of what won it.


24 posted on 11/03/2004 8:16:19 PM PST by MrFred
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To: flying Elvis

Americans saw Kerry as the baby butcher he is (embryo cloning for stem cells, abortion).

I don't think Mel affected anything. Other than it is nice to have a moral, family man in Hollywood.


25 posted on 11/03/2004 8:19:10 PM PST by Lord Nelson
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To: flying Elvis

Definitely "The Passion of the Christ" stirred people more than anything else this year.

It swept the nation.


26 posted on 11/03/2004 8:21:46 PM PST by Cedar
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To: flying Elvis

27 posted on 11/03/2004 8:22:41 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: flying Elvis
Frankly, the Massachusetts Supreme Court won this election for Bush.

Sweet, delicious irony.

28 posted on 11/03/2004 8:24:39 PM PST by Carling (What happened to Sandy Burglar's Docs?)
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To: flying Elvis

I vote for Michael Moore. His brand of hate-speech may well have driven millions of voters to Bush. People saw right through his brand of propaganda and his cheap trashy little movie will soon end up in the trash bin, whereas Bush won the largest popular vote in history.


29 posted on 11/03/2004 8:25:32 PM PST by bigbob (2)
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To: flying Elvis
A sincere thanks to you, so very much, Master Michael Moore (you total a$$hole!), for the results of your efforts to dish GWB and the American Way. The results is to be blessed with FOUR MORE YEARS!!!

Please don't loose any weight, you lard a$$; don't shave your ugly face; but please explode like the great dead whale on the Oregon beach, as soon as possible and be gone for ever!

The thought that your trashy 'videos' are known as 'documentary films' is so obserd it defies any logic, whatsoever.

30 posted on 11/03/2004 9:41:55 PM PST by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: flying Elvis

I honestly don't think it was either one of them so much as it was Bush's own character and decency which influenced voters.


31 posted on 11/03/2004 9:53:45 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("I see a great future ahead for America."-George W. Bush)
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To: flying Elvis
The only way in which Gibson attempted to influence the election was to campaign against prop. 71. It passed by a landslide, and it appears his opposition was a non-factor. He did not do anything w.r.t. the presidential or any other races. In contrast, Michael Moore fired up the democratic base with his "documentary," and that probably kept the presidential race closer than it otherwise would have been.

So, I'm sorry to say, the answer to the question is Michael Moore.

Some people think evangelicals got fired up to vote Bush as a result of The Passion. I doubt it very much. It's been 7 months since the movie was released. Most people weren't even thinkng about the election at that point. Events such as the passion seldom have a political impact that lasts that long.

32 posted on 11/04/2004 6:18:02 AM PST by curiosity
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To: Lord Nelson
Americans saw Kerry as the baby butcher he is (embryo cloning for stem cells, abortion).

Unfotunately, most Americans favor butchering babies for stem sells. If anything, this issue helped Kerry. His support for partial birth abortion, however, probably did hurt him, and his pro-abortion stand probably hurt him with Catholics.

The pro-life movement has done a decent job in moving the country to where many (if not most) Americans see it's wrong to kill a baby in the womb for the sake of convenience. We've got a long way to go in convincing Americans that it is unacceptable to kill babies created outside the womb for the sake of science.

33 posted on 11/04/2004 6:23:35 AM PST by curiosity
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To: flying Elvis
As for moore, with the assumtion that "there's no such thing as bad press", it didn't hurt to have millions of young people pay their own money to spend 3 hours in a darkened theatre and ponder their President.
34 posted on 11/04/2004 6:26:48 AM PST by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: flying Elvis

35 posted on 11/04/2004 6:59:07 AM PST by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: flying Elvis

Neat question. Sort of sounds like one a teacher might ask.


36 posted on 11/04/2004 7:02:07 AM PST by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: curiosity

Yeah, it is rare to find a person who is against cloning people. To me it is just so wrong. These clones will become our slaves and our inventory for "parts". I have no doubt about it. The left has made stem cell research an emotional issue. (Ends justify the means) Hitler made emotional issues as well - and he tortured and mutilated the mentally and physically handicapped.


37 posted on 11/04/2004 7:32:02 AM PST by Lord Nelson
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To: flying Elvis

Mel's Passion caused many lukewarm Catholics and backslid Protestants to reawaken and recommit to their faith -- this gave many the wisdom and strength to resist Moore's lies and appreciate the quiet courage and rock-solid faith of President Bush.


38 posted on 11/04/2004 7:52:32 AM PST by karenbarinka (Trust no one who slandered Mel or Passion)
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To: Lord Nelson
Yeah, it is rare to find a person who is against cloning people.

Most Americans are against cloning. What they want is scientists to do research on "leftover" embryos that were created from in vitro fertilization.

39 posted on 11/04/2004 4:08:56 PM PST by curiosity
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To: flying Elvis

This election should have been named "GOOD VERSUS EVIL."
Once again Good triumphs over Evil!


40 posted on 11/04/2004 4:46:10 PM PST by joanofarc
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To: Liz

Well said, Liz, Well said. The red states are red because we're mad as hell, and the Left and East coasts looks like they've fallen right off the electoral map into the ocean. Good riddance!


41 posted on 11/05/2004 6:54:03 AM PST by N. Beaujon
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To: N. Beaujon; Always Right; sinkspur

Kerry's remarks about "The Passion" ---that I posted above--- went all over the nation. The Passion definitely helped win 2004 for Bush.


42 posted on 11/05/2004 7:14:48 AM PST by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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