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Swiftvets' Cause Might Live On (Kerry Not Able "To Go Back Peacefully Into the Senate")
WorldNetDaily ^ | 11/04/04 | Art Moore

Posted on 11/04/2004 5:02:44 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Swift Boat Vets and POWs for Truth achieved its primary goal yesterday with Sen. John Kerry's concession to President Bush, but the deeply divisive issues the group has raised and the activists it has spawned might not fade with the closing of the 2004 election.

"The whole group was oriented to beating Kerry; now that that's been accomplished, there is a formative discussion to say, 'Where do we go from here?'" said Jerome Corsi, co-author of the group's influential New York Times No. 1 best seller "Unfit for Command."

Corsi believes current discussions indicate there will be post-election follow up, whether through some or all of the more than 250 veterans, or through independent investigators and journalists.

"There is a movement to get Kerry to continue to release all of his documents and to press forward on the military discharge issue," Corsi said, referring to discrepancies in Kerry's record suggesting he is hiding a less-than-honorable discharge.

Corsi also notes that the concerns about Kerry's anti-war activism have grown into a movement to restore the honor of veterans who contend they have been besmirched by the conventional, leftist interpretation of the Vietnam War.

"That's going to continue," he said. "So I see Kerry is not going to simply be able to go back peacefully into the Senate and shut the door on the Vietnam chapter of his life."

"It will dog him," Corsi said, "certainly in the next two years and when he attempts to run for re-election."

In a statement issued yesterday, the 527 group's organizer, retired Adm. Roy Hoffman, gave no indication of the group's future, but expressed pleasure at the election result.

"As we have stated since we formed, we believed that John Kerry's actions in Vietnam, coupled with the reprehensible statements he made after he returned, were serious and consequently made him unfit for command," he said.

Hoffman, one of Kerry's commanders during the war, said the group sought to "provide a voice for the courageous and honorable veterans of Vietnam, more than 280 Swift Boat Vets, Coast Guardsmen and POWs who served their country with honor."

He noted the grassroots effort attracted donors from every state, who gave more than $26 million, including more than $7 million in online contributions.

"We were the true embodiment of grassroots citizen action, complied fully with federal election law and had every right to participate in the public discussion of John Kerry's qualifications as commander in chief," Hoffman said.

'Negative, awful ads'

In their assessment of Kerry's campaign, many of the senator's defenders grudgingly point to the swiftboat vets' well-organized effort.

Asked to come up with a key moment in the campaign, analyst Juan Williams told Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace "the turning point" was "distortions and caricatures" of Kerry, epitomized by the swiftboat vets.

Just after the Democratic convention, in which Kerry made his Vietnam service the foundation for his argument he is fit to lead the nation in a time of war, the swiftboat vets "came out with such negative, awful ads," Williams said.

"Initially, I think, the Kerry campaign didn't understand the damage that was being done [and] was slow to respond," he recalled.

"And that damage has been incalculable," Williams said. "It has stayed in the voters' minds. It has defined this campaign in such as way as to damage his opportunity to have a say. When he went into the debates, when I do focus groups and talk to people, they're still hearing the image and the echo of Swift Boat Veterans."

Discussing highlights of the campaign Tuesday, National Public Radio's Tavis Smiley told syndicated columnist Clarence Page, "We'll never forget this phrase, either, Clarence: Swiftboat ads.

"There was a flurry of political advertisements on both sides, but John Kerry was hit awfully hard by the Swift Boat Veterans," he said before playing a clip from one of nine advertisements that aired in battleground states from August through the end of the campaign.

Smiley then played a soundbite from an anti-Bush ad with "Fahrenheit 9/11" producer Michael Moore.

"So you get the swiftboat veterans on one side, you got Michael Moore on the other side. This campaign, Clarence, was unparalleled in the level of propaganda."

Page replied, "That's true, and both of those soundbites you have were turning points where you saw the anti-Bush side really began to take shape and get new energy after Michael Moore's movie came out."

Page said the swiftboat vets turned Kerry's "biggest positive into a big negative, or at least a big controversy. It really began to hurt his forward momentum, and as we saw, Kerry began to struggle going into the debates after his polling numbers fell behind those of George Bush."

Kerry campaign senior strategist Tad Devine has admitted the senator's low point was not answering the swiftboat ads right away.

But Douglas Brinkley, author of "Tour of Duty," the account of Kerry's war record that angered the swiftboat vets and prompted their campaign, has a different take on the group's effectiveness, contending they may even have helped him by energizing his base.

Brinkley wrote Tuesday in an article in the Financial Times that, "Nobody in U.S. politics can endure as many body blows without suffering psychological dents" as Kerry.

Brinkley said Kerry's initial silence amid the swiftboat vets' charges was part of his style and strategy.

"Mr. Kerry welcomes abuse," he said. "He goads his opponents to come out in the open and go for his jugular. They always do. They rise to the bait. When a group of Swift Boat vets attacked Mr. Kerry's record in August he said nothing for two weeks. Why not swing back immediately? That is not his style."

Brinkley maintains Kerry waited until the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Washington Post "exposed his critics as liars and frauds."

A defensive player by nature, Kerry waited," he said. "Ultimately, the Swift Boat attacks only helped Mr. Kerry solidify his base."

Moral values

On MSNBC's "Hardball" yesterday, reporter Andrea Mitchell tied the swiftboat campaign to the reported impact of moral values on the voting Tuesday.

She said "the way the swiftboat veterans and the other groups define John Kerry early in the campaign, is to make him seem as though he were as not in sync with moral values, because he was, you know, a flip-flopper or whatever. By having defined him that way they really put him in a box. And it was very hard for him to get out of that box.

Corsi sees a clash-of-moral-values angle also, noting parallels to Kerry's first run for Congress in 1972 as an anti-war candidate in the traditional, working-class town of Lowell, Mass.

After a big primary victory, financed by New York and Hollywood luminaries such as George Plimpton and Otto Preminger, Kerry encountered the disdain of what President Nixon termed "the silent majority," Corsi said, the people of traditional religious values who rejected the radicalism of Kerry and Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern.

But Corsi believes Kerry's biggest miscalculation was a lesson he should have learned from Nixon -- thinking he could lie to the American people and get away with it.

Kerry's lie, Corsi contends, was to "exaggerate his four short months of service in Vietnam and his minor wounds into a self-advanced glory of mythic proportions" and to falsely characterize Amerian servicemen as war criminals.

The senator, for example, was forced to backpedal on assertions he had made for decades, such as his presence in Cambodia during the war. And his refusal to release all of his military records amid numerous unanswered questions hurt his credibility, Corsi pointed out.

In his 1971 testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Kerry described the U.S. military as the "army of Genghis Kahn, "disgracing" the service of more than 2 million Americans who served with honor, Corsi added.

"All of this the American public might well have accepted and forgiven," he maintained, "if only John Kerry had told the truth and asked for forgiveness."


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KEYWORDS: jeromecorsi; johnkerry; kerry; kerrylies; swiftboatveterans; swiftboatvets; vengeanceatlast
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1 posted on 11/04/2004 5:02:44 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Cool! I'll send them more!


2 posted on 11/04/2004 5:06:19 AM PST by Slump Tester (John Kerry - When even your best still isn't good enough)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Brinkley has got to be suffering dementia.


3 posted on 11/04/2004 5:08:49 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR POWERS EQUAL TO THE TASKS)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Kerry's lie, Corsi contends, was to "exaggerate his four short months of service in Vietnam and his minor wounds into a self-advanced glory of mythic proportions" and to falsely characterize Amerian servicemen as war criminals.

Abso-fricking-lutely!

Willis, we did it. This one was for you! R.I.P. old friend.

4 posted on 11/04/2004 5:09:32 AM PST by N. Theknow ("We will take your money and use it for the common good.")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I still find it amazing that this blatant traitor was able to escape prison, let alone find enough support to run for the presidency...


5 posted on 11/04/2004 5:11:14 AM PST by libwacker (Ann Coulter in 2008 !)
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To: N. Theknow

we should shower the real Vietnam vets as true heroes, and condemn Kerry and others of his ilk as the cowards and frauds they truely are.

We honor you Vietnam vets!!! Thank you for your service to our country.


6 posted on 11/04/2004 5:12:51 AM PST by OldCorps
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

"But Douglas Brinkley, author of "Tour of Duty," ........ contending they may even have helped him by energizing his base."

So, without the Swifties, Kerry would have lost by even more? Now there's a backhanded compliment to your candidate!


7 posted on 11/04/2004 5:12:55 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I want his dishonorable discharge to come to light in the MSM. That would be a great finale.

Though the biggest punishment for Kerry will be that he now has to perform in the Senate. A phony liar who has coasted for 20 years now has to perform. Every day. The repercussions of not performing now are devastating for this man. But he'd rather be windsurfing... to be continued.


8 posted on 11/04/2004 5:13:05 AM PST by rocky88 (John Kerry: The boy with his nose pressed up against the glass.)
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To: OldFriend
"Ultimately, the Swift Boat attacks only helped Mr. Kerry solidify his base."

He's demented enough to think a gigolo pinko faux "war hero" HAS a base. At this point George Soros would not return a phone call from Kerry.

9 posted on 11/04/2004 5:14:33 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"Kerry's lie, Corsi contends, was to "exaggerate his four short months of service in Vietnam and his minor wounds into a self-advanced glory of mythic proportions" and to falsely characterize Amerian servicemen as war criminals."

AMEN!

I will also continue to give if it can possible lead to the full and absolute demise of John 'F-ing' Kerry!!

10 posted on 11/04/2004 5:14:39 AM PST by harpu
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To: Slump Tester
Dear Swift Vets, a battle is won, but the war still goes on.
Take some much earned leave, all hands, and then it's back to business.
John Kerry has much to answer for, and you may find fewer obstacles in your way now - perhaps even assistance from some unlikely sources.
All ahead full!
11 posted on 11/04/2004 5:15:06 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: harpu
Whenever Kerry's anti war antics came up in MA he would drag out his band of brothers to overcome the negative attacks.

He thought he could transfer that acceptance of MA to the rest of the country.

WRONG

As for Rassmann and his ilk.....a pox on them. They should crawl back into obscurity and hang their heads in shame.

12 posted on 11/04/2004 5:17:21 AM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR POWERS EQUAL TO THE TASKS)
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To: rocky88
Funny how -- in both Kerry's case and Clinton's -- it all boils down, in the end, to a dishonorable discharge. :)
13 posted on 11/04/2004 5:17:29 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Brinkley is a liar or very, very naive.


14 posted on 11/04/2004 5:17:47 AM PST by syriacus (I'm commanded to love appeaseniks -- but I don't have to vote for one as Commander-in-chief.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"Initially, I think, the Kerry campaign didn't understand the damage that was being done [and] was slow to respond," he recalled.

Bull Sh...

The media and the Democrats tried to ignore the ads, hoping no one would pay attention. They knew in their guts the charges against Kerry were true---and they were afraid to respond because they didn't want to draw attention to the Swift Vets and give them "legitimacy."

When they Swift Vets had their May press conference, the MSM totally boycotted it.

15 posted on 11/04/2004 5:19:57 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: rocky88
The only thing that can save Kerry are low expectations for Massachusetts pols. On the Democrat side we have Ted "floating Olds" Kennedy. On the Republican side we've had such luminaries as Bill Weld, who would rather be playing poker and drinking, Argio Paul Cellucci, who had his driver appointed to a Homeland Security sinecure, etc.

In comparison, Mitt Romney is a giant among midget-men.

16 posted on 11/04/2004 5:20:14 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
BTTT

Go Swifties!!

17 posted on 11/04/2004 5:21:23 AM PST by Jackknife (.......Land of the Free,because of the Brave.)
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To: rocky88

DITTO!!!...I sincerely hope that this comes out!


18 posted on 11/04/2004 5:22:27 AM PST by nannaj34
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I believe the visual for this moment in time is that Kerry's B-40 rocket failed to launch and now he is running around the side of the hootch. Skip the loin cloth visual, though.


19 posted on 11/04/2004 5:22:53 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Kerry: I wholeheartedly disagree with you beyond expression)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"There is a movement to get Kerry to continue to release all of his documents and to press forward on the military discharge issue," Corsi said, referring to discrepancies in Kerry's record suggesting he is hiding a less-than-honorable discharge.

Hanoi John “reported for duty”. Hanoi John claimed to be a war hero. Now it’s time for him to collect on his arrogance.
I would like to see him report to a courtroom charged with sedition and treason.

20 posted on 11/04/2004 5:26:25 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: eno_; All

It'd be great if we could get the Swifties to hire temps in every Massachusetts city Kerry speaks in to yell "SIGN THE 180!" at him. Keep the issue on the table for the next election and all.


21 posted on 11/04/2004 5:26:26 AM PST by LibertarianInExile ( "[Y]our arguments are devoid of value. I, as a woman, have so declared it." -- BushIsTheMan)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I was thinking the same thing. The truth must come out about his discharge.


22 posted on 11/04/2004 5:27:35 AM PST by dc-zoo
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

How long has he to go on his senate term?


23 posted on 11/04/2004 5:27:42 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, AIr Force, Navy. Where I found my best friends.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I believe they should keep after Kerry since I believe he is a traitor and shouldn't be in the Senate.

Without the Swiftboat Veterans and others Kerry might be President today.

I also think his military record should be exposed to the Sunlight and we should know about his Real Discharge papers and what they show.

Kerry is a Fraud.

John O'Neill and Co. are the Heroes of this election.
Thank You Mr. O'Neill


24 posted on 11/04/2004 5:28:20 AM PST by chatham
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

While it was a "useful tool" in helping to deny Kerry the presidency, I've never felt that it was only part of the Swift Boat Vets' intended purpose, and I greatly admire them for that. These are men of principle who were wronged and their cause wouldn't have received the degree of attention that it did, had it not come to light during a presidential campaign.

Remarkably, the scant attentiong paid them by the MSM was overwhelmingly negative, with the token appearances by John O'Neil (a true hero) on "old media" outlets being designed to try to discredit them. Failing that, they often resorted to trying to shout him down to suppress his voice. The behavior of Lawrence O'Donnel, Lanny Davis and Corporal Cueball, notwithstanding, Mr. O'Neil kept his composure and tenaciously stuck to his facts, vividly illustrating who the adult was.

It goes far beyond the race, and I wish the Swifiies the best of luck in pursuing the truth. America can handle the truth and it's about time that the other side of Kerry's story was told. The fact that he came so close to the presidency is an indication that there is something very wrong in modern "journalism."


25 posted on 11/04/2004 5:32:03 AM PST by DJ Frisat (Hand me the duct tape before my head explodes...)
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Great job, Swifties. You are true American heroes. You were wronged by effin' Kerry and his fellow commie symp leftists thirty years ago, and you held him personally to account. But you have been wronged once again...by the media this time.

America did you right, but the media did you wrong. Take up the good fight now...hammer the media for their bias. Not covering Kerry's OTH discharge. The way John O'Neill was so wrongly treated by the likes of O'Donnell. The media blackout of your best selling book. The million other slights.

You know better than anyone that freedom isn't free, and we thank you paying for the price time and time again. If you are weary and want to lay down the burden to the next generation, I understand...you have already done more than your fair share. But if you keep up the good fight, may God continue to bless you. I have to stop now, with tears of thanks streaming down my face for you heroes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.


26 posted on 11/04/2004 5:33:09 AM PST by blanknoone (I wouldn't vote for Benedict Arnold. I wouldn't vote for Karl Marx. I won't vote for John Kerry.)
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To: rocky88
Though the biggest punishment for Kerry will be that he now has to perform in the Senate. A phony liar who has coasted for 20 years now has to perform. Every day.

Not only that, but every self-glorifying lie that comes out of his mouth now is going to be noted, researched and exposed. Can he stop the narcissistic lying and self-glorification? If he couldn't during the campaign, he sure won't be able to now.

Watch for more of the same to come from Senator Kerry in the future. And he is not going to have such a protective media around him now that his usefulness is limited.

27 posted on 11/04/2004 5:35:31 AM PST by JustaCowgirl (Terrorists will "global test" us right off the planet)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"Mr. Kerry welcomes abuse," he said. "He goads his opponents to come out in the open and go for his jugular. They always do. They rise to the bait. When a group of Swift Boat vets attacked Mr. Kerry's record in August he said nothing for two weeks. Why not swing back immediately? That is not his style."

Yea...those lawsuits were indicative of that "welcoming" attitude for abuse.

28 posted on 11/04/2004 5:36:09 AM PST by smith288 (I have posted over 10,000 times. The more I post, the more intelligent you become!)
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To: OldCorps

I hope they dog him until the truth comes out!!! ThankYouSwifties.com Go tell 'em how you feel!


29 posted on 11/04/2004 5:36:36 AM PST by Woogit (IN GOD I TRUST...NO MATTER WHAT!)
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To: Woogit

The left never gives up, never stops. Time to show them Republicans can do the same.


30 posted on 11/04/2004 5:39:51 AM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Piling on may not be wise. If I were the Swifties I would advise consolidating my win and trimming the sails. There is another time to fight, that would be at Kerry's next Senate election. Lay low until then. Anything done to excess can backfire and right now the Swifties are at ground zero when it comes to ire against the GOP.

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail. There is nothing to be gained and a lot to lose.

31 posted on 11/04/2004 5:42:11 AM PST by snooker (Bush 2004 --- stay with the strong horse)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

"Kerry campaign senior strategist Tad Devine has admitted the senator's low point was not answering the swiftboat ads right away. "

Maybe he is ready to start now! ha ha

He should be removed from any meaningful committee assignments.


32 posted on 11/04/2004 5:42:21 AM PST by Eternally-Optimistic (anything is possible)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"There is a movement to get Kerry to continue to release all of his documents and to press forward on the military discharge issue," Corsi said, referring to discrepancies in Kerry's record suggesting he is hiding a less-than-honorable discharge.

Hey Kerry ... SIGN THE 180 FORM

33 posted on 11/04/2004 5:42:50 AM PST by Mo1 (one country, one Constitution, and one future that binds us)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I'm so grateful to the SwiftVets, and I doubt that things would have been different had Kerry answered their charges earlier.

I hadn't given much thought to John Kerry's background. I didn't remember much about the Senate hearings or his anti-war actvities. I guess I wasn't paying much attention at the time. I only knew that he was a decorated Vietnam war hero. That's something that most people probably knew. Now we know a lot more about him, and it doesn't jibe with the official Kerry bio. In the end, he lost a lot more than the presidency.


34 posted on 11/04/2004 5:46:57 AM PST by carola
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To: snooker

I think the struggle must go on, to reveal not only the extent of communist influence on Kerry's antiwar activity; the corruption involved in his postwar coddling of communist Viet Nam, Cuba, & Nicaragua; and the involvement of others, including the many former "antiwar" creeps who are still in control of the Demonrat party and will be key figures in any future Demonrat campaigns & administrations.


35 posted on 11/04/2004 5:49:15 AM PST by hellbender
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To: SkyPilot

SkyPilot, you got it exactly right. Even now the Kerryites and the MSM (or am I being redundant) are trying to spin this. The ONLY reason why Kerry didn't respond is that he knows the Swiftees were telling the truth, and he figured the MSM would cover for him.

Kerry STILL hasn't been asked by the MSM if he was ever in Cambodia. I challenge ANYONE to come up with video footage of Kerry answering the Cambodia charges after the Swiftees raised the issue.

I think Kerry needs some wood.


36 posted on 11/04/2004 5:51:06 AM PST by OhMike (He which hath no stomach to this fight, let him depart...we would not die in that man's company.)
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To: snooker

It will take two years for the story to get MSM traction. They need to keep going.

Kerry had a less than honorable discharge and his medals revoked. He has 'nuanced' his way around the truth. You will notice that no one on the Left denies the General Discharge, they just keep stating that he has an Honorable. Lawyer-speak to stay in that grey area.

The triumph of moral relativism. We used to call telling a half-truth, a lie.

In any case, the libs will feel sorry for him, that he stood his ground as a traitor and paid the price...boo hoo! He can become another victim.


37 posted on 11/04/2004 5:51:15 AM PST by Stashiu ( Yeah, I am a Vietnam Vet, not a War Criminal.)
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To: Stashiu

In two years there won't be a MSM -- But they may just take up the defense if you pile on. Piling on is never good. There is nothing productive to be gained until Kerry runs again.

Have a parade, welcome the Vietnam vets home. Celebrate the victory. Consolidate the gains -- wait.


38 posted on 11/04/2004 5:56:23 AM PST by snooker (Bush 2004 --- stay with the strong horse)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"It will dog him," Corsi said, "certainly in the next two years and when he attempts to run for re-election."

I'll contribute to that.

39 posted on 11/04/2004 5:59:51 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (I actually did vote for John Kerry, before I voted against him.)
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To: SkyPilot
And as I'm sure you know why they avoided the form 180 issue.
40 posted on 11/04/2004 6:00:40 AM PST by gbaker
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To: snooker
Remember that jerk on TV with Buccannon that called O'Neil a "creepy liar"!

Remember all the pundits saying "in passing" that the SwiftBoat Vet's "have been discredited" when in fact their allegations were proven true!

Remember Sinclair Broadcasting being threatened not to show Stolen Honor?

Remember Kerry's lawyers threatening bookstores with lawsuits if they sold Unfit for Command?

Remember Regeant Publishing being threatened by Kerry's lawyers to stop publishing Unfit for Command?

Remember Barns & Nobles hiding Unfit for Command in the back storeroom and telling customers that the Publisher had not shipped the book while Clinton's book and Anti-Bush books were prominently displayed at the front door?

GOD BLESS the Swifties!

I say we continue to support efforts to go after Kerry and cram the truth about him down the main stream media's and the Liberal's throats until they choke on it!

41 posted on 11/04/2004 6:19:31 AM PST by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: OhMike

Kerry must be unmasked before the American people so that those folks in the 48% will be forced to look at what the unamerican press almost foisted upon us. This is not due to hate for Kerry but concern over never getting this close again to electing such a flawed candidate.


42 posted on 11/04/2004 6:29:00 AM PST by dogcaller
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider
I sure do remember the things you state.

Kerry's current Senate seat is good for four years. How are you going to do anything? As a practical matter -- not as a desire -- there isn't much that anyone can do to Kerry now. You may find that Kerry resigns his seat and slinks away in the night. The dem long knives are out being sharpened.

The Swifties should graciously accept the crown they rightly deserve in doing the deed and turn to helping the Vietnam Vets and POWs get their honor back. A welcome home parade would be nice. The public will see this as what the Vets wanted in the first place -- not a grudge match trophy.

So much good has been done for the Vietnam vets -- there is a much better understanding of what role the media played in lying about Vietnam -- don't squander your new found wealth of goodwill on a vendetta.

My sincere advice -- you will lose support if you continue to attack. You will gain magnificently if you do the right thing.

43 posted on 11/04/2004 6:32:53 AM PST by snooker (Bush 2004 --- stay with the strong horse)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Does anyone know what Ad Agency put those monumental ads together. They were stunning in their ability to get your attention and then hold it. These ads will be studied for years. They went straight to the heart.

Is there a link to view all of them?

44 posted on 11/04/2004 6:35:08 AM PST by tubebender (If I had know I would live this long I would have taken better care of myself...)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
This makes me happy in the knowledge that my donations to the Swiftees helped defeat Kerry even more than my donations to Bush/Cheney.

Life is good.

45 posted on 11/04/2004 6:38:52 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Brinkley maintains Kerry waited until the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Washington Post "exposed his critics as liars and frauds."

Does anyone know how much longer we'll have to wait for this to happen?

I'm afraid I'll grow old and die first. ;)

46 posted on 11/04/2004 6:45:22 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Kerry campaign senior strategist Tad Devine has admitted the senator's low point was not answering the swiftboat ads right away.

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".... When a group of Swift Boat vets attacked Mr. Kerry's record in August he said nothing for two weeks. Why not swing back immediately? That is not his style." Brinkley maintains Kerry waited until the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Washington Post "exposed his critics as liars and frauds."


I don't think Kerry ever "answered the swiftboat ads" right away or otherwise. They did attempt to smear the Swift Vets as "right wing operatives of the Bush campaign", but never provided a refutation of specific allegations.

And, I have yet to see where the NYT, WSJ, WP or anyone else has exposed the Swift Vets as "liars and frauds". In fact, as I remember, it was the Kerry campaign who started backtracking on the first purple heart and Christmas in Cambodia. Had the MSM pursued this story with even a tenth of the vigor in which they dogged the Bush TANG performance, Kerry would have lost by 20 points.
47 posted on 11/04/2004 6:49:44 AM PST by NonLinear ("If not instantaneous, then extrordinarily fast" - Galileo re. speed of light. circa 1600)
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To: OldCorps

Damn right. Throw a parade for them bigger than Gulf WarI.


48 posted on 11/04/2004 6:56:51 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (America Wins!!!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I hope that they continue with their efforts. The best way to finish the post-Vietnam War healing process is to enable us to understand exactly how the war was undermined by lies, and who was behind them.

Now that newly-found documents have been released implying an extreme level of cooperation between the antiwar movement in the US and the Viet Cong, this link has to be analyzed.


49 posted on 11/04/2004 7:51:33 AM PST by Piranha
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To: libwacker

In my opinion, this is the real reason that Kerry lost. It was all about his personal character (well, it was a lot about the war on terror and voting against gay marriage as well, but he may have pulled it off if he weren't such a coldly ambitious lying opportunist).


50 posted on 11/04/2004 7:52:44 AM PST by Piranha
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