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AND THE WINNER OF THE THIRD PARTY COMPETITION WAS ...
Neal Nuze ^ | 11/4/04 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 11/04/2004 8:54:19 AM PST by NotchJohnson

AND THE WINNER OF THE THIRD PARTY COMPETITION WAS ...

The Libertarian Party.

Throughout the election the media fed us information about Ralph Nader. Ralph this. Ralph that. You hardly knew that the Libertarians were in the race. The results now show that the Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate, received more votes than Nader.

I wonder how the Libertarians would have done if their candidate was willing to protect America from Islamic terrorists?


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; badnarik; libertarian; president; thirdparty
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1 posted on 11/04/2004 8:54:20 AM PST by NotchJohnson
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To: NotchJohnson

How did Peroutka do? Did he, at least, beat Nader?


2 posted on 11/04/2004 8:55:23 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: NotchJohnson

The libertarian OPEN BORDERS idea scares me


3 posted on 11/04/2004 8:56:03 AM PST by soccer_linux_mozilla
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To: NotchJohnson

"You hardly knew that the Libertarians were in the race."

That was all we really needed to read.


4 posted on 11/04/2004 8:57:09 AM PST by Preachin' (President George W. Bush is fit for command!)
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To: NotchJohnson

No third party got enough support to move the debate in their direction.


5 posted on 11/04/2004 8:57:21 AM PST by Protagoras (Hillary Clinton, the potential Hitler of our time, is now in position to take over the country.)
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To: NotchJohnson

I believe Libertarian position is give me back my tax money and leave the Constitution alone.

Pretty hard to fund military or defend the Patiot act in that light. But maybe I don't know what they really stand for


6 posted on 11/04/2004 8:58:02 AM PST by SBOinTX
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To: NotchJohnson
I wonder how the Libertarians would have done if their candidate was willing to protect America from Islamic terrorists?

Probably quite a bit better. Up here (VT) since I don't vote Dem my vote is always just a "protest vote", so I sometimes vote Libertarian as that's how I lean (though I don't agree with some of their platform). But this time I voted Bush because of the terrorism issue.

LQ

7 posted on 11/04/2004 8:58:07 AM PST by LizardQueen
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To: soccer_linux_mozilla

It bothers me too, but if welfare, and "free" education and health care went away, as the libertarians propose, essentially all of the illegals would stop coming. And many who are here might leave.


8 posted on 11/04/2004 8:59:13 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: NotchJohnson

Boortz has got to be depressed this week.

Libertarian beliefs were rejected all over the nation on Tuesday.

Gay Marriage shot down in 11 states and the rest of the country overwhelmingly voting not just on the war or economic beliefs, but social conservative.


9 posted on 11/04/2004 8:59:36 AM PST by Josh in PA
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To: SBOinTX

I saw about 3 ads for the Libertarian candidate here in West Virginia. I wasn't following him too closely as I had made my mind up to vote for Bush.

The Libertarians make sense on economic issues and most social issues. I cannot vote for a party which seems to be as gutless as the Dems when it comes to war and terror.


10 posted on 11/04/2004 9:02:09 AM PST by Hurricane Bruiser (Property taxes prove that everyone is simply a renter)
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To: Josh in PA

This libertarian is thrilled by the pro-gun consequences of the election.


11 posted on 11/04/2004 9:02:10 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: SBOinTX
Pretty hard to fund military or defend the Patiot act in that light.

Not if we get rid of unconstitutional social programs, like the various quasi-military "wars" that the Fedgov wages on behalf of against the American people (poverty, drugs, etc.).

Hell, we can dream, can't we?

12 posted on 11/04/2004 9:02:25 AM PST by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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To: Josh in PA

Even Boortz supported Dubya from what I heard.


13 posted on 11/04/2004 9:05:23 AM PST by RockinRight (Bush's rallies look like World Series games. Kerry's rallies look like Little League games.)
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To: NotchJohnson

You don't see Republicans going to court to keep these candidates off all the state ballots, or smearing them and calling them traitors. What a difference. How would the Dems have handled someone like Perot...pulling in 19%!!


14 posted on 11/04/2004 9:06:24 AM PST by BonnieJ
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To: Josh in PA

I often consider myself a libertarian on some issues, like taxation, states rights, and size of government. But it usually ends there.


15 posted on 11/04/2004 9:06:52 AM PST by RockinRight (Bush's rallies look like World Series games. Kerry's rallies look like Little League games.)
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To: Josh in PA

I wouldn't say that a ban on gay marriage was a defeat of Libertarianism. Many libertarians (at least myself), believe partial birth abortion is wrong because a baby has rights. I would say that gay marriage is just as well defeated since it opposes one of the cultural norms that is set in concrete and defined by civiliations throughout the centuries. Now if there was a ban on 7 people living together, that would be stupid.

I hope Bush will actually CUT government.


16 posted on 11/04/2004 9:09:31 AM PST by Hurricane Bruiser (Property taxes prove that everyone is simply a renter)
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To: Josh in PA

The margin of victory between Hoeffel and Specter was almost the same number as Constitution party Jim Clymer's and much smaller LP candidate votes. IF Toomey had been selected, PA might have delivered for Bush. Instead Specter ran "Kerry and Specter for Working Families" lawn signs.


17 posted on 11/04/2004 9:10:30 AM PST by ikka
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To: Hurricane Bruiser

> I hope Bush will actually CUT government

Never gonna happen. Both sides want big gov't right now. The left for social programs, the right to defend America.


18 posted on 11/04/2004 9:13:13 AM PST by SBOinTX
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To: SBOinTX
I believe Libertarian position is give me back my tax money and leave the Constitution alone.

Pretty hard to fund military or defend the Patiot act in that light.

The military still gets funded if you leave the Constitution alone, because national defense is a Constitutional mandate. As for defending the Patriot Act, the Libertarians excoriate it, as Republicans should, too.

19 posted on 11/04/2004 9:13:43 AM PST by Physicist
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To: coloradan

Yea for us Pro-gun people!!!!!

I was just tickled to death about this. Without the gun issue, I am guessing that Kerry would have won.


20 posted on 11/04/2004 9:14:33 AM PST by Hurricane Bruiser (Property taxes prove that everyone is simply a renter)
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To: NotchJohnson

There are no prizes for second place.


21 posted on 11/04/2004 9:16:17 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (I am poster #48)
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To: Physicist

That military funding part was referring to taxes.

As for the Patriot act, I'm torn. Is it okay modify the 4th Ammendment because 9/11 changed everything? Or is it the same kind of attack on the Constitution represented by gun control? It is hard to articulate my personal beliefs on this one


22 posted on 11/04/2004 9:16:42 AM PST by SBOinTX
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To: SBOinTX
That military funding part was referring to taxes.

Libertarians aren't opposed to all taxes in principle. Even a minimal government must be funded somehow. They're opposed to taxes for activities that are outside of the government's narrow Constitutional mandate.

As for the Patriot act, I'm torn. Is it okay modify the 4th Ammendment because 9/11 changed everything?

9/11 didn't change the fact that we have rights.

(For the record, I'm not a Libertarian party member, but I do wish that the Republican party would adopt some of their principles.)

23 posted on 11/04/2004 9:21:34 AM PST by Physicist
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To: SBOinTX

The Libertarian Party recognizes the Military as one of the few functions of the federal government.


24 posted on 11/04/2004 9:24:11 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: NotchJohnson

The LP got 376,000 votes, or about .3 per cent. In 2000 they got about .5 per cent. The trend is clear, and should evoke laughter.


25 posted on 11/04/2004 9:24:59 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: RockinRight

Boortz was a huge Bush supporter and went on the campaign trail with Hannity and others to get out the vote.


26 posted on 11/04/2004 9:25:28 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: SBOinTX
Is it okay modify the 4th Ammendment because 9/11 changed everything?

Please tell me specifically how the Patriot Act modified the 4th amendment.

27 posted on 11/04/2004 9:26:50 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: NotchJohnson
I wonder how the Libertarians would have done if their candidate was willing to protect America from Islamic terrorists?

I think that this means that those that voted for Bad are idiots.

28 posted on 11/04/2004 9:26:58 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: Phantom Lord

I'll freely admit that I'm not fully informed on this issue, but I will also say I want to change that. Yesterday you gave me a very informative piece of information on the conservative agenda.

Perhaps there are some similar pieces describing the conservative stance related to any search/seisure modifications in the Patriot act?


29 posted on 11/04/2004 9:32:07 AM PST by SBOinTX
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To: Hurricane Bruiser
If I'm not mistaken, libertarians oppose any government recognition of marriage, monogamous heterosexual or otherwise. With regard to recordation of marriages and marriage licenses, libertarians are closely in accord with the limited government philosophy of the Founders. Marriages were not recorded or licensed by state or local governments until the mid-19th Century, well after the generation of the Framers of the Constitution had passed on. However, the libertarian belief in neutrality with respect to the institution of marriage is contrary to common law concepts in Anglo-American jurisprudence, which regarded the marriage covenant as being different from and having higher standards than business or social associations.
30 posted on 11/04/2004 9:35:13 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: SBOinTX
I have no idea what the actual and real implication of the PA on the 4th amendment is, thats why i asked.

As far as I understand it, there has been NO change to the requirement for a search warrant. Best I can tell is that the feds do NOT have to notify you that one has been granted and executed.

For some reason a lot of people are under the impression that the PA allows the government to secretly search your stuff WITHOUT a warrant. That is NOT true.

Are their flaws in the PA? Do changes need to be made? Find me a single piece of legislation you can't say that about.

31 posted on 11/04/2004 9:36:51 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: NotchJohnson
I checked the CNN poll results. They show only the two major parties and Nader. Does anyone know where to look for vote totals for R, D, G, LP, and CP candidates together?

Interesting that the MSM will show Nader and not at least the LP. They validate the no-chance candidacy of Nader, but not that of one of the candidates that wants to radically cut back government power.

32 posted on 11/04/2004 9:40:41 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Moonman62
The LP got 376,000 votes, or about .3 per cent.

Do you have a source? Nader got about 394k.

33 posted on 11/04/2004 9:49:40 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: soccer_linux_mozilla

Anyone who supports open borders poses a danger to this country.


34 posted on 11/04/2004 9:54:30 AM PST by Dante3
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To: ikka

You are drunk if you think Toomey would have turned out 100,000 people that didn't vote.

Toomey on the ticket wouldn't have driven out 5,000 more people who were going to vote.

PA was a battleground state. Less than 100 Republicans
(if any at all) stayed home because Toomey got stiffed back in April.


35 posted on 11/04/2004 9:54:50 AM PST by Josh in PA
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To: Just another Joe
I don't know how Peroutka did. I had checked his website from time-to-time before the election....just to see what he had to say for himself. However, this is what trying to get on his webiste does today:

Warning: mysql_connect(): Too many connections in /usr/local/psa/home/vhosts/peroutka2004.com/httpdocs/schedule/includes/db.inc on line 3 Unable to connect to the database server

c'est la vie....

36 posted on 11/04/2004 9:57:52 AM PST by ZinGirl
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To: NotchJohnson
The results now show that the Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate, received more votes than Nader.

I am confused. Results show Nader with 394k and Badnarik with 360k.

37 posted on 11/04/2004 9:58:13 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: Dante3

Please check Bush's disagreements with Tom Tancredo and get back to us.


38 posted on 11/04/2004 10:08:55 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: NotchJohnson
The results now show that the Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate, received more votes than Nader.

I think this guy has been smoking something.

39 posted on 11/04/2004 10:43:25 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: WildTurkey

I got it from the lp.org web site.


40 posted on 11/04/2004 12:14:38 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: Moonman62

Yes. I finally got it from B's site. He only pulled 0.4% and also less than Nader in Nevada.

His goal was to kill Nevada and New Mexico for Bush and he failed.


41 posted on 11/04/2004 12:16:54 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: WildTurkey
The results are pitiful for both guys. It clearly falls within the margin of error for people who mistakenly vote for the wrong guy.
42 posted on 11/04/2004 12:17:22 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: Just another Joe
How did Peroutka do? Did he, at least, beat Nader?

Funniest post of the day!

43 posted on 11/04/2004 12:18:18 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: NotchJohnson; CWOJackson; nopardons
According to C-SPAN, the UberKonservative Ralph Nader received 397,464 votes, while according to the morally-liberal LP's own press release, Badnarik received "about 379,000" votes. Must be new math. If you look state by state, the UberKonservative Ralph Nader was pulling in 3 to 1, and even 16 to 1 better than the morally-liberal LP.
44 posted on 11/04/2004 12:27:09 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: NotchJohnson

The LP got nearly 400,000 votes...not enough to put a dent in the Bush/Kerry margin, but still more than every other third party combined.

Nice to know we have so many liberty-minded people in America.


45 posted on 11/04/2004 12:31:00 PM PST by Capitalism2003 (America is too great for small dreams. - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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To: Cultural Jihad

Ah, but the losertarians may still have another victory under their belt. In Washington state it looks like the liberels bests friends in the voting both are going to succeed in throwing the race for governor to an extreme liberal. It's kind of a shame, the Republican candidate was an outstanding lower tax Conservative, Christian, family man. But he's an evil Republican so the LP'ers voted against him in protest. For them the thought of actually having a lower taxes Conservative, Christian family man running the state is too terrible to accept.


46 posted on 11/04/2004 12:37:08 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Capitalism2003
The LP got nearly 400,000 votes...not enough to put a dent in the Bush/Kerry margin, but still more than every other third party combined. Nice to know we have so many liberty-minded people in America.

Try 379K. LESS than Nader's 394K. And Nader was not on 22 states including CA. Nader ran 3:1 ahead of Badnarik face to face, even in Liberty-minded Nevada.

47 posted on 11/04/2004 2:57:17 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: Capitalism2003
hmmm. Record number of voters and LP total vote tally went Down.
48 posted on 11/04/2004 2:59:28 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: SBOinTX
I believe Libertarian position is give me back my tax money and leave the Constitution alone.

First, they have to get elected to office.

Pretty hard to fund military or defend the Patiot act in that light. But maybe I don't know what they really stand for.

First, they have to get elected to office.

49 posted on 11/04/2004 3:04:03 PM PST by 12 Gauge Mossberg (I Approved This Posting - Paid For By Mossberg, Inc.)
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To: Moonman62
The trend is clear, and should evoke laughter

LOLOLOLOLOL

50 posted on 11/04/2004 3:05:47 PM PST by 12 Gauge Mossberg (I Approved This Posting - Paid For By Mossberg, Inc.)
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