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Europe's economic goals fail
International Herald Tribune ^ | Nov. 4, 2004 | Europe's economic goals fail

Posted on 11/04/2004 11:26:04 AM PST by Ahriman

Europe's efforts to become the world's most competitive economy have failed, and the European social model faces collapse unless the Continent's governments stimulate growth and create more jobs, according to a report published Wednesday. The initiative, drawn up by Wim Kok, former Dutch prime minister, measures progress on the so-called Lisbon Agenda, which European Union countries introduced in 2000 with a goal of making Europe the world's most dynamic and competitive knowledge-based economy by 2010. But since then "the growth gap with North America and Asia has widened," the report says. The gloomy assessment blames national governments for the failure, and it calls on each of the 25 EU countries to publish new national targets for reform, and a timetable for meeting them. The European Commission would be given the role of naming and shaming countries that failed to meet the targets. "If we don't focus strongly on growth, productivity and employment, we will not provide the means to keep the social model," Kok said in an interview following the publication of the report.

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1 posted on 11/04/2004 11:26:06 AM PST by Ahriman
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To: Ahriman

But, but, our governments raised taxes many times and injected money into the economy! How could that be wrong?


2 posted on 11/04/2004 11:28:32 AM PST by agere_contra (The Daily Mirror. How can 2,175,332 people be so DUMB?)
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To: Ahriman

Couldn't be that slow growth rate due to over taxation! Maybe taxes are too low... Raise them again!


3 posted on 11/04/2004 11:28:37 AM PST by Mikey_1962
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To: Ahriman

Socialism does not "stimulate growth and create more jobs..."


4 posted on 11/04/2004 11:28:55 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Mikey_1962

Mikey, we were separated at birth! :)


5 posted on 11/04/2004 11:29:48 AM PST by agere_contra (The Daily Mirror. How can 2,175,332 people be so DUMB?)
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To: Ahriman

"the growth gap with North America"

Stay on the porch if you can't run with THE big dog.


6 posted on 11/04/2004 11:30:05 AM PST by Max Combined (I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine...)
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To: agere_contra

They aren't going to change their ways...just lower their goals! That's the Euros we all love.


7 posted on 11/04/2004 11:30:17 AM PST by Mikey_1962
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To: Ahriman

Sounds like the new alternative to the Soviets' infamous five year plan.

Get my point, commrade?


8 posted on 11/04/2004 11:30:37 AM PST by Juan Medén
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To: agere_contra

I think you are right! LOL


9 posted on 11/04/2004 11:30:58 AM PST by Mikey_1962
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To: Ahriman

Yet more proof that nationalized healthcare and massive entitlement programs coupled with high taxes yields a third tier economy.

Thank God Kerry did not win.


10 posted on 11/04/2004 11:33:17 AM PST by Tulane
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To: Ahriman

The French and Germans can fix this easily!! All they have to do is vote themselves waivers, fudge the numbers so they meet objectives, maybe, boost employment by cutting the work week to 25-30 hours and, easy-peasy, the problem is cured!!


11 posted on 11/04/2004 11:33:29 AM PST by Tacis (Tom Dashole - Only Ten More Weeks Of Selling Influence!)
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To: Mikey_1962
Couldn't be that slow growth rate due to over taxation!

Which, in turn, is due to their extensive technocratic states.

12 posted on 11/04/2004 11:34:02 AM PST by MegaSilver
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To: agere_contra
governments raised taxes many times and injected money into the economy...

In democrat-speak that's "investing" in the economy. Too bad their method of "investing" causes the "economy stock" to plummet.

13 posted on 11/04/2004 11:34:14 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Ahriman

Europe has as much a chance of becoming an economic powerhouse as the Democratic Party has of becoming honest.

Europe's time is over. Its European demographics are all down hill while Moslems and other third worlders breed like rabbits in their countries.


14 posted on 11/04/2004 11:34:27 AM PST by Pittsburg Phil
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To: Ahriman
They need a new tax base if they're to revive their social spending. I think a few million immigrants ought to do it if they're young enough and willing to take the maintenance-level jobs that will be required to support an aging population in the manner to which it has become accustomed.

They could get 'em from Turkey. And Syria, and Saudi Arabia...

16 posted on 11/04/2004 11:35:25 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Ahriman

I can't get 4 of my friends to agree on what to put on a pizza and they are going to get 25 countries to agree on how to stimulate growth and employment? Please...


17 posted on 11/04/2004 11:35:45 AM PST by Mikey_1962
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To: Ahriman
NEWSFLASH : Socialism Still Doomed to Failure
18 posted on 11/04/2004 11:38:25 AM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Ahriman
If we don't focus strongly on growth, productivity and employment, we will not provide the means to keep the social model

Could it be that the social model prevents these things?

19 posted on 11/04/2004 11:38:38 AM PST by Toskrin (What a world, what a world!)
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To: Ahriman
The gloomy assessment blames national governments for the failure, and it calls on each of the 25 EU countries to publish new national targets for reform, and a timetable for meeting them.

Socialists never learn. Five year plans do not grow economies. If they did, the USSR wouldn't be a chapter in a history textbook now.

Tax cuts grow economies. Deregulation does. Shrinking government does. Population growth (horror!) does. How many of these factors does Europe currently have going for it?
20 posted on 11/04/2004 11:44:33 AM PST by Antoninus (Santorum in '08)
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To: Ahriman

Gee. Who would have seen THIS coming?


21 posted on 11/04/2004 11:45:26 AM PST by Maceman (It's no longer a blue world, Max!!)
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To: 2banana
Socialism does not "stimulate growth and create more jobs..."

Northwestern Europe is not so much "socialist" as it is "technocratic."

22 posted on 11/04/2004 11:45:46 AM PST by MegaSilver
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To: Ahriman
This line is the gem of the article:

Part of the agenda's problem was that its meaning was unclear. For some, it meant making Europeans more productive by enhancing Europe's welfare state and making jobs more secure.

Please, tell me how someone becomes more productive when they know that it's nearly impossible to get fired, AND that they'll have more government support if they ever are fired. It's like a license to do nothing at work.
23 posted on 11/04/2004 11:47:20 AM PST by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: Ahriman

The Command Economy strikes again!

Hey Euros, just ask your comrades in the USSR.


24 posted on 11/04/2004 11:48:24 AM PST by zb42
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To: Ahriman

Ripe for Islamic radicals to slither into power.


25 posted on 11/04/2004 11:50:15 AM PST by BillyCrockett
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To: Ahriman

Unless they figure out a way to have more - or kill fewer - babies, they are doomed no matter what else they may try.


26 posted on 11/04/2004 12:07:19 PM PST by thoughtomator (The election's over... let's kick some jihadi butt!)
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To: Pittsburg Phil

Well, isn't the same thing happening here with all the illegal immigration and the billions we spend to support them and the businesses that employ them for minimal dollars? Our budget deficits continue to climb into hundreds of billions per year and we have over 50 Trillion in "unfunded liabilities' neither party has the guts to talk about which is just a time bomb waiting to happen......so we have very little to crow about.


27 posted on 11/04/2004 12:12:36 PM PST by american spirit
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To: Ahriman
the European social model faces collapse unless the Continent's governments stimulate growth and create more jobs

... which they are unlikely to do through public-sector strategies such as higher taxes and creeping socialism. Their only salvation is capitalism, which means hanging their heads and admitting that they've been wrong all along.

28 posted on 11/04/2004 12:13:25 PM PST by IronJack (R)
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To: Mikey_1962
they are going to get 25 countries to agree on how to stimulate growth and employment? Please

That's why they need Commissars in Brussels to tell them what to do.

30 posted on 11/04/2004 12:18:32 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Ahriman

i.e. The latest "5 year plan" of the Commisariat has not fullfilled its goals!


31 posted on 11/04/2004 12:20:04 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Pittsburg Phil
Europe's time is over.

It was beginning to be over when the Civil War ended. It was over by 1895.

32 posted on 11/04/2004 12:20:06 PM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: MegaSilver

I fail to see the difference. Perhaps you could elucidate.


33 posted on 11/04/2004 12:20:51 PM PST by expatpat
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To: expatpat
I fail to see the difference. Perhaps you could elucidate.

Socialism is a political theory; technocracy is a pseudoscience.

(Maybe there isn't a difference.)

34 posted on 11/04/2004 12:28:21 PM PST by MegaSilver
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To: gypsystyleflowerchild
:::sniff, sniff:::

Do I smell... troll?

time will tell

35 posted on 11/04/2004 12:32:48 PM PST by MileHi
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To: Ahriman

An alternate view has just come out in book form, pimped by NPR: The United States Of Europe: The New Superpower and the End of American Supremecy
by T. R. Reid.

Look at it's review at Amazon, and you will have instant cognitive dissonance. Europeans love their welfare state and think the US is barbaric for not having one. Europeans devote substantially less of their GNP to the military, because the US protects them, so they sneer at military solutions to anything.

Conclude that this thinking is erroneous, but at least be aware of it.


36 posted on 11/04/2004 12:40:21 PM PST by Mack the knife
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To: american spirit
Our budget deficits continue to climb into hundreds of billions per year and we have over 50 Trillion in "unfunded liabilities' neither party has the guts to talk about which is just a time bomb waiting to happen......so we have very little to crow about.

LOL! Don't expect the lemmings on this thread to understand what you said.

White House: Debt Ceiling Must Be Raised

37 posted on 11/04/2004 12:45:28 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green

I'm always hopeful that at some point folks will begin to understand the reality of our situation vs. the fluff, swill and the smoke & mirrors crap spewed by these POLI(many)- TIC(blood sucker) -IANS and their useful mediots.


38 posted on 11/04/2004 12:50:07 PM PST by american spirit
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To: Mikey_1962
I can't get 4 of my friends to agree on what to put on a pizza and they are going to get 25 countries to agree on how to stimulate growth and employment? Please...

That my friend is the quote of the day...lol.

39 posted on 11/04/2004 12:56:42 PM PST by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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To: gypsystyleflowerchild

I think you missed the point of the story. Unless they stimulate growth and employment the social welfare system will collapse.


40 posted on 11/04/2004 1:00:22 PM PST by Mikey_1962
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To: Blue Scourge

Don't think those countries will have much of a choice because it's becoming more apparent that when they signed on to the EU they relinquished some of their sovereignty to the newly formed commissions. From some of the reading I've done, there are severe penalties for any country that doesn't fall in line with the wishes of the different governing EU commissions. I think there's a pretty good battle going on over there regarding acceptance of a new EU constitution also. Something to watch because the new FTAA (Free Trade Area of the Americas) will probably be fashioned after the EU.


41 posted on 11/04/2004 1:14:33 PM PST by american spirit
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To: Ahriman
Europe's economic goals fail

If Europe is going to achieve their economic goals they need to get serious about taxing themselves into prosperity...

More taxes and benefits for everyone!

42 posted on 11/04/2004 2:28:37 PM PST by RJL
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To: Ahriman
Europe's economic goals fail

Europe loves John Kerry and he has a plan, it's a match made in heaven.

43 posted on 11/04/2004 2:32:19 PM PST by RJL
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To: Juan Medén
Sounds like the new alternative to the Soviets' infamous five year plan.

That is exactly what went through my head... Their solution? More government programs. Wasn't "sustainable development" (euphemism for governmnt interference) part of the plan?

44 posted on 11/04/2004 2:36:20 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Ahriman

Socialism is an inherent evil. There can be no debate about that. We have all the data we need.


45 posted on 11/04/2004 2:37:47 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: aquila48

Yep. And I suspect it will meet with the same success.


46 posted on 11/04/2004 2:39:57 PM PST by Juan Medén
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To: Juan Medén

"If we don't focus strongly on growth, productivity and employment, we will not provide the means to keep the social model," Kok said...

If we substitute "growth, productivity and employment" with "Capitalism", and "social model" with "socialism", the equation becomes: If we don't have capitalism, we won't be able to keep socialism!


47 posted on 11/04/2004 7:10:08 PM PST by winner3000
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