Two Nations Under God

NY Times ^ | 11/4/04 | Thomas Friedman

[MissAmericanPie]

"Is it a country that does not intrude into people's sexual preferences and the marriage unions they want to make? Is it a country that allows a woman to have control over her body? Is it a country where the line between church and state bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers should be inviolate? Is it a country where religion doesn't trump science? And, most important, is it a country whose president mobilizes its deep moral energies to unite us - instead of dividing us from one another and from the world?"

No, to all the above.

[eagle11]

I like reading Thomas Friedman. I felt he made the best case (in the MSM) for our invasion of Iraq. He has also written on the link between outsourcing jobs and increasing foreign demand for American goods. He's what I would call an honest liberal, you know where he stands and he isn't shy about letting his partisan leanings known.

[conservative cat]

Amen to that. That was my first thought.

[FreedomSurge]

The left hates Christians who actually beleive. The assualt on evangelicals will be intense over the next two years.

[Paperdoll]

>Two Nations Under One God<

Perhaps Mr. Friedman should have titled his piece "One
Nation Under Two Gods"

Jesus said to love God with all your heart, and all your mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself. That isn't devisive. That is the Christian God. Jesus didn't say we must agree with something we think is wrong. And He didn't mean we shouldn't fight for what is right.

[conservative in nyc]

Talk is cheap. Action is not. The Democrats need to start by showing respect for religious people, instead of treating them as stupid redneck hicks. They need to understand that just because science allows us to do something doesn't make it right. And just because people's sense of what is right and wrong may be based their faith doesn't mean their judgment ought not to be enacted into law. That you can't force your radical liberal agenda down people's throats through the courts. And you need to understand the past in order to govern for the future.

[bastantebueno55]

Mr. Bush held onto the same basic core of states that he won four years ago - as if nothing had happened. It seemed as if people were not voting on his performance. It seemed as if they were voting for what team they were on.

Yep, that sounds about right. Hey, Fried-brain, too bad, your team is a looooooooooooser!

[MissAmericanPie]

Gee, and Demonrats claimed to have a lock on representing Main Stream America....cluless.

[EDINVA]

"It is the way in which he and they have used that religious energy to promote divisions and intolerance at home and abroad."

They are just so angry that people of faith have finally stood up to THEIR promotion of moral divisions ... why do we have to tolerate abortion, homosexual marriage, children having sex, pornography passing as tv advertising, etc., etc., etc. ? Some things just shouldn't be tolerated, period.

Oh, and I DO watch Fox News .. long since cancelled my subscription to the NYT.

[wizardoz]

The reporter seeing this said, "Yes its an American bomber and hes circling to show everyone that he means no harm and look, look, they are dropping fireworks to celebrate their arrival".

LOL!! Some Marine should have nudged him and said, "No, the plane's just going potty."

[Nowhere Man]

Actually, just ONE of two nations is "under G-d". The other is careful to keep G-d out.

Or if you want to get a bit closer to the truth, "One Nation Under God," and "the other one under nothing." Some would say for the latter "Satan" as well. Still this guy seems to "get it" to the point that there are two distinct views that are more or less diametrically opposed.

[arasina]

I recommend a permanent personal secession to an island, fah, fah away where no one knows he's from the revived America.

[Nowhere Man]

Reading this I feel a sense of vertigo as if I had walked into a room with a person it it who spent his whole life living upside down - hanging from the ceiling.

What we think is good, they think is bad - what they think is good, we think is bad.

Heh, it's like that Star Trek episode, "Mirror, Mirror" where Kirk and Co. end up in a parallel universe where they see the evil versions of their crew including a goateed Spock. In our case, both world exist on the same plane or country if you will. When I see those people who think "bad is good," I feel like an alien in that world. For a while, if Kerry had one, I would even feel more like an alien. Still I'm glad President Bush won, at least we have an upper hand, but we might end up having a clash with them in the future.

I just had a nightmare thought, what if there are evil goateed versions of ourselves at DU, perish the thought. B-)

[RasterMaster]

The Democrats thought there were "two Americas" in 1860 as well...some things never change.

[PajamaTruthMafia]

Thanks for taking the time to write that response wildcatf4f3. I really enjoyed it. I feel *exactly* the same way!