Skip to comments.No Surrender (Krugman mega-barf alert)
Posted on 11/04/2004 9:09:27 PM PST by RWR8189
resident Bush isn't a conservative. He's a radical - the leader of a coalition that deeply dislikes America as it is. Part of that coalition wants to tear down the legacy of Franklin Roosevelt, eviscerating Social Security and, eventually, Medicare. Another part wants to break down the barriers between church and state. And thanks to a heavy turnout by evangelical Christians, Mr. Bush has four more years to advance that radical agenda.
Democrats are now, understandably, engaged in self-examination. But while it's O.K. to think things over, those who abhor the direction Mr. Bush is taking the country must maintain their intensity; they must not succumb to defeatism.
This election did not prove the Republicans unbeatable. Mr. Bush did not win in a landslide. Without the fading but still potent aura of 9/11, when the nation was ready to rally around any leader, he wouldn't have won at all. And future events will almost surely offer opportunities for a Democratic comeback.
I don't hope for more and worse scandals and failures during Mr. Bush's second term, but I do expect them. The resurgence of Al Qaeda, the debacle in Iraq, the explosion of the budget deficit and the failure to create jobs weren't things that just happened to occur on Mr. Bush's watch. They were the consequences of bad policies made by people who let ideology trump reality.
Those people still have Mr. Bush's ear, and his election victory will only give them the confidence to make even bigger mistakes.
So what should the Democrats do?
One faction of the party is already calling for the Democrats to blur the differences between themselves and the Republicans. Or at least that's what I think Al From of the Democratic Leadership Council means when he says, "We've got to close the cultural gap." But that's a losing proposition.
Yes, Democrats need to make it clear that they support personal virtue, that they value fidelity, responsibility, honesty and faith. This shouldn't be a hard case to make: Democrats are as likely as Republicans to be faithful spouses and good parents, and Republicans are as likely as Democrats to be adulterers, gamblers or drug abusers. Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country; blue states, on average, have lower rates of out-of-wedlock births than red states.
But Democrats are not going to get the support of people whose votes are motivated, above all, by their opposition to abortion and gay rights (and, in the background, opposition to minority rights). All they will do if they try to cater to intolerance is alienate their own base.
Does this mean that the Democrats are condemned to permanent minority status? No. The religious right - not to be confused with religious Americans in general - isn't a majority, or even a dominant minority. It's just one bloc of voters, whom the Republican Party has learned to mobilize with wedge issues like this year's polarizing debate over gay marriage.
Rather than catering to voters who will never support them, the Democrats - who are doing pretty well at getting the votes of moderates and independents - need to become equally effective at mobilizing their own base.
In fact, they have made good strides, showing much more unity and intensity than anyone thought possible a year ago. But for the lingering aura of 9/11, they would have won.
What they need to do now is develop a political program aimed at maintaining and increasing the intensity. That means setting some realistic but critical goals for the next year.
Democrats shouldn't cave in to Mr. Bush when he tries to appoint highly partisan judges - even when the effort to block a bad appointment fails, it will show supporters that the party stands for something. They should gear up for a bid to retake the Senate or at least make a major dent in the Republican lead. They should keep the pressure on Mr. Bush when he makes terrible policy decisions, which he will.
It's all right to take a few weeks to think it over. (Heads up to readers: I'll be starting a long-planned break next week, to work on a economics textbook. I'll be back in January.) But Democrats mustn't give up the fight. What's at stake isn't just the fate of their party, but the fate of America as we know it.
Paging Dr. Goebbels....
Some say, "Death to the radical!
He's way out of line."
Some say, "Praise be the miracle;
God sends a blessed sign."
That's from an old Michael W. Smith song, one of my favorites. It's about Christ, and of course I'm not comparing Bush to Jesus, but whenever I hear the left brand someone on our side a "radial" I think of it, and almost take the accusation as a badge of honor.
Well, at least he's not bitter.
Krugman knows where his bread is buttered, and its locus is on the Upper West Side. The guy gave up any pretense of objectivity some time ago, deciding it was more lucrative to became a male Maureen Dowd, albeit not as easy on the eyes.
"I don't hope for more and worse scandals and failures during Mr. Bush's second term, but I do expect them."
...if not, we at the NYT will manufacture them....
LOL!! This is so fun....the article is dripping with anger.
Want to highlight this:
"I don't hope for more and worse scandals and failures during Mr. Bush's second term, but I do expect them."
Read: NYT will INVENT more "scandals".
I love seeing the Propagandist Media dig their own grave....
LOL, great minds think alike, see my post #9!!
I am sure the publisher of his textbook will find the manuscript smeared by teardrops.
S'long, Kruggy. I'll miss you like the deserts miss the sun.
Its stuff like this that shows me that liberals learned nothing on Tuesday. Its almost amazing how much hateful screed has come out of the NY Slimes since the election, a paper that is supposedly the leading in the country.
Krugman and the rest of the Dinosaur media are pretty irrelevant."
But like the duck billed platypus, they're damned funny to watch.
HAAAAA1 There is that.
Another I am soooooo much smarter and superior to you and you willllllll be sorry for not listening to me. Hey wait, why are you laughing? Column by Krugman
Yeah, great minds is right, but hey, the NYT is so friggin' transparent now, we ALL had to say it. That Krugman, wow...words escape me...I just wish they'd escape him.
Does the NYT print any REAL news at all anymore? I am being totally serious in asking this question. It's become like a really bad tabloid, makes the Natinal Enquirer seem newsworthy.
Thomas Friedman and Maureen Dowd went off on bush today too. These guys are frosted and bitter
November 4, 2004
Two Nations Under God
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
ell, as Grandma used to say, at least I still have my health. ...
I often begin writing columns by interviewing myself. I did that yesterday, asking myself this: Why didn't I feel totally depressed after George H. W. Bush defeated Michael Dukakis, or even when George W. Bush defeated Al Gore? Why did I wake up feeling deeply troubled yesterday?
Answer: whatever differences I felt with the elder Bush were over what was the right policy. There was much he ultimately did that I ended up admiring. And when George W. Bush was elected four years ago on a platform of compassionate conservatism, after running from the middle, I assumed the same would be true with him. (Wrong.) But what troubled me yesterday was my feeling that this election was tipped because of an outpouring of support for George Bush by people who don't just favor different policies than I do - they favor a whole different kind of America. We don't just disagree on what America should be doing; we disagree on what America is.
Is it a country that does not intrude into people's sexual preferences and the marriage unions they want to make? Is it a country that allows a woman to have control over her body? Is it a country where the line between church and state bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers should be inviolate? Is it a country where religion doesn't trump science? And, most important, is it a country whose president mobilizes its deep moral energies to unite us - instead of dividing us from one another and from the world?
At one level this election was about nothing. None of the real problems facing the nation were really discussed. But at another level, without warning, it actually became about everything. Partly that happened because so many Supreme Court seats are at stake, and partly because Mr. Bush's base is pushing so hard to legislate social issues and extend the boundaries of religion that it felt as if we were rewriting the Constitution, not electing a president. I felt as if I registered to vote, but when I showed up the Constitutional Convention broke out.
The election results reaffirmed that. Despite an utterly incompetent war performance in Iraq and a stagnant economy, Mr. Bush held onto the same basic core of states that he won four years ago - as if nothing had happened. It seemed as if people were not voting on his performance. It seemed as if they were voting for what team they were on.
This was not an election. This was station identification. I'd bet anything that if the election ballots hadn't had the names Bush and Kerry on them but simply asked instead, "Do you watch Fox TV or read The New York Times?" the Electoral College would have broken the exact same way.
My problem with the Christian fundamentalists supporting Mr. Bush is not their spiritual energy or the fact that I am of a different faith. It is the way in which he and they have used that religious energy to promote divisions and intolerance at home and abroad. I respect that moral energy, but wish that Democrats could find a way to tap it for different ends.
"The Democrats have ceded to Republicans a monopoly on the moral and spiritual sources of American politics," noted the Harvard University political theorist Michael J. Sandel. "They will not recover as a party until they again have candidates who can speak to those moral and spiritual yearnings - but turn them to progressive purposes in domestic policy and foreign affairs."
I've always had a simple motto when it comes to politics: Never put yourself in a position where your party wins only if your country fails. This column will absolutely not be rooting for George Bush to fail so Democrats can make a comeback. If the Democrats make a comeback, it must not be by default, because the country has lapsed into a total mess, but because they have nominated a candidate who can win with a positive message that connects with America's heartland.
Meanwhile, there is a lot of talk that Mr. Bush has a mandate for his far right policies. Yes, he does have a mandate, but he also has a date - a date with history. If Mr. Bush can salvage the war in Iraq, forge a solution for dealing with our entitlements crisis - which can be done only with a bipartisan approach and a more sane fiscal policy - upgrade America's competitiveness, prevent Iran from going nuclear and produce a solution for our energy crunch, history will say that he used his mandate to lead to great effect. If he pushes for still more tax cuts and fails to solve our real problems, his date with history will be a very unpleasant one - no matter what mandate he has.
November 4, 2004
The Red Zone
By MAUREEN DOWD
With the Democratic Party splattered at his feet in little blue puddles, John Kerry told the crushed crowd at Faneuil Hall in Boston about his concession call to President Bush.
"We had a good conversation," the senator said. "And we talked about the danger of division in our country and the need, the desperate need, for unity, for finding the common ground, coming together. Today I hope that we can begin the healing."
Democrat: Heal thyself.
W. doesn't see division as a danger. He sees it as a wingman.
The president got re-elected by dividing the country along fault lines of fear, intolerance, ignorance and religious rule. He doesn't want to heal rifts; he wants to bring any riffraff who disagree to heel.
W. ran a jihad in America so he can fight one in Iraq - drawing a devoted flock of evangelicals, or "values voters," as they call themselves, to the polls by opposing abortion, suffocating stem cell research and supporting a constitutional amendment against gay marriage.
Mr. Bush, whose administration drummed up fake evidence to trick us into war with Iraq, sticking our troops in an immoral position with no exit strategy, won on "moral issues."
The president says he's "humbled" and wants to reach out to the whole country. What humbug. The Bushes are always gracious until they don't get their way. If W. didn't reach out after the last election, which he barely grabbed, why would he reach out now that he has what Dick Cheney calls a "broad, nationwide victory"?
While Mr. Bush was making his little speech about reaching out, Republicans said they had "the green light" to pursue their conservative agenda, like drilling in Alaska's wilderness and rewriting the tax code.
"He'll be a lot more aggressive in Iraq now," one Bush insider predicts. "He'll raze Falluja if he has to. He feels that the election results endorsed his version of the war." Never mind that the more insurgents American troops kill, the more they create.
Just listen to Dick (Oh, lordy, is this cuckoo clock still vice president?) Cheney, introducing the Man for his victory speech: "This has been a consequential presidency which has revitalized our economy and reasserted a confident American role in the world." Well, it has revitalized the Halliburton segment of the economy, anyhow. And "confident" is not the first word that comes to mind for the foreign policy of a country that has alienated everyone except Fiji.
Vice continued, "Now we move forward to serve and to guard the country we love." Only Dick Cheney can make "to serve and to guard" sound like "to rape and to pillage."
He's creating the sort of "democracy" he likes. One party controls all power in the country. One network serves as state TV. One nation dominates the world as a hyperpower. One firm controls contracts in Iraq.
Just as Zell Miller was so over the top at the G.O.P. convention that he made Mr. Cheney seem reasonable, so several new members of Congress will make W. seem moderate.
Tom Coburn, the new senator from Oklahoma, has advocated the death penalty for doctors who perform abortions and warned that "the gay agenda" would undermine the country. He also characterized his race as a choice between "good and evil" and said he had heard there was "rampant lesbianism" in Oklahoma schools.
Jim DeMint, the new senator from South Carolina, said during his campaign that he supported a state G.O.P. platform plank banning gays from teaching in public schools. He explained, "I would have given the same answer when asked if a single woman who was pregnant and living with her boyfriend should be hired to teach my third-grade children."
John Thune, who toppled Tom Daschle, is an anti-abortion Christian conservative - or "servant leader," as he was hailed in a campaign ad - who supports constitutional amendments banning flag burning and gay marriage.
Seeing the exit polls, the Democrats immediately started talking about values and religion. Their sudden passion for wooing Southern white Christian soldiers may put a crimp in Hillary's 2008 campaign (nothing but a wooden stake would stop it). Meanwhile, the blue puddle is comforting itself with the expectation that this loony bunch will fatally overreach, just as Newt Gingrich did in the 90's.
But with this crowd, it's hard to imagine what would constitute overreaching.
Pass the Popcorn -- Watching these Pointy-Head Libs with their shorts in a wad when they're out of power is just way too entertaining!
This is the Left's attempt at historic revisionism of a recent event. The Left and its Gay allies brought Gay marriage to the fore this election year. They won't be happy till they can get everyone else to subsidize their homosexuality. They're shocked that that's not going to happen.
I guess when it comes to sins and shortcomings they'd love to believe Repubs are thier 'equals,' but when it comes to intelligence, we lose, right?
Krugman's an economist, and I believe he holds a PhD - so we know he must be able to handle numeric information. When bandying such a fact - do you think that Mr. Krugman is conscious of the difference in the rate between Black out of wedlock births and White out of wedlock births? Hmmm. That and the population distribution of Blacks in "Red states" might just explain that support for Bush is a reaction to having seen such problems - not a function of having caused them.
Sounds more like Bill Clinton to me. Yes the Conservative movement is a coalition of economic and social conservatives, but we have much in common. The dem coalition is a basket filled with gays, union hacks, enviro-whackos, feminists, old school liberals, trial lawyers, welfare pimps, and so many other constituency groups that they will remain forever fractured, because they have nothing in common.
By the way, Paul, how is the Enron money?
Tell the truth Paul, your going into a depression, and you need some time to yourself otherwise, you ain't gonna be able to work.
You and your buddies just became the laughingstock of the country.
Dr. Krugman might better spend the next few months in a sanitarium...
I think that's the gist of it.
You are aware that Krugman wrote an article this year in which he defended an anti-sematic prime minister for making anti-semetic comments right?
I believe it was malyasia.
The remarks had to do with "greedy Jews" and "financial speculators". A few minuits of research would have revealed, quite obviousley that the remarks were being directed at George Soros, never the less, Krugmans (who did not know that, or realize it) article blasted Bush for daring to condemn the remarks for there anti-semtic comments and not showing understanding for a prime minister making anti-semetic remarks. Yes, he defended anti-semetism by an anti-semite.
I kid you not.
The liberals are in a state of denial. When Pat Buchanan spoke of a culture war he was branded a right-wing zealot by the MSM. Well, it looks like Pat was right. People in this country are sick and tired of the liberals shoving their beliefs and opinions down their throats, and they sent a clear message to those elites by voting overwhelmingly for President Bush. The morality war that Buchanan spoke of in 1992 has come full circle and the Democrats took it right on the chin. Morals and family values do count after all with the American people, and if the Democrats don't come to terms with that fact they will stay in the minority position in national politics for the next generation, and maybe even longer.
I thought this clown was an economist. Instead he's just spouting off, same as Freepers do sometimes. Chalk this up as another hysterical liberal-rant in the MoDo mold.
Simple question ...Why is this man writing for the NY times?
that would have been part of Mohammed (there's that goddamn name again!) Mahatir .
Simply amazing , isn't it ? That American Jews can go to these extremes against what should be most sacred to them . Shame shame , what will they say when one day they have to stand before their God?
I thought Paul Krugman was the NYT economics/financial guy, I can't seem to find any of that here.
The best part is we won't have to listen to him for a few months.
Maybe he'll wind up in the same sanitarium and Michael Moore and Dan Rather.
Ah. That brand new jumbo box of crayons finally arrived in the mail, then. :)
Wailing and nashing of teeth PING.
What an economic genius Krugman is. Many have been watching the Social Security train wreck coming for 30 years and listening to the poliiticos lie about it. If American workers are allowed (how I hate that word "allowed" when we are talking about their own earnings) to actually own and manage their own money, that means less for the politicians to play with. That's what's making them crazy. Add to that the slim chance that the tax code can be reformed in such a way that they will find it more difficult to reward those who lobby them for special benefits and thus decrease their power, and we are going to see a struggle of epic proportions.
Well I am glad he didn't take the advice and yes I believe the story.
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