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Blame the Republicans? No, This Time It's the Christians
Patriot Paradox ^

Posted on 11/05/2004 11:19:00 AM PST by sonsofliberty2000

That's right. The Democrats have found an enemy, and this time they are aiming right at the heart of the "problem": Christians. Yes, fellow Christians, it is our fault that the Liberals cannot regain their place among the rest of the world, and they are spitting mad. Listen to this, from a columnist on Slate:

Here is how ignorance works: First, they put the fear of God into you-if you don't believe in the literal word of the Bible, you will burn in hell. Of course, the literal word of the Bible is tremendously contradictory, and so you must abdicate all critical thinking, and accept a simple but logical system of belief that is dangerous to question. A corollary to this point is that they make sure you understand that Satan resides in the toils and snares of complex thought and so it is best not try it.

Yet another, from Boing Boing:

Then, they would finally be free to have the kind of society they've always wanted; church and state can be fused so they build the kind of theocracy they've dreamt of, with Jesus at the helm. Then the new USAR (United States of America Red) can ban books, repeal civil rights, persecute gays and have all the wars they like. They want prayer in schools? More power to them. They can ban abortion and post the Ten Commandments in every federal building in their country. Bring back slavery, if they want. We'll be free to live with our like-minded countrymen who believe in science, modernism, tolerance, religion as a personal choice, and truly want limited government intrusion in our personal lives. Why should each side be driven mad by the other any more, decade after decade?

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But he told me the time would come when evolution would no longer be taught in U.S. public schools, that born-again Christians would rise up and stop the teaching of anything that contradicted the Holy Bible. And he believed it would start to happen in "years, not decades." I laughed.

Seven years later, in 1990, I was a reporter for a newspaper in northern San Diego County. And it was there I got to witness firsthand the "San Diego Surprise" -- no, not that one -- when 60 "stealth Christians" won seats throughout the county.

This was also the time of Operation Rescue, the San Diego-based anti-abortion group that managed to run off 40 of the county's 70 doctors who performed abortions while forcing the closure of a dozen or more "Planned Parenthood"-style operations in the area.

(I took part in one of Operation Rescue's raids on an abortion clinic, as a journalist. The fanatics met at a secluded parking lot miles away from the target site, in the pre-dawn hours, awaiting instructions and directions. And just as the medical office building opened, hundreds of born-agains swarmed inside. On both floors, there was literally no space to move. Packed like evangelical sardines. Locked inside the evil abortion mill were a few weeping young women, a doctor, his staff. In the halls, people were weeping too ... with joy. Some were "speaking in tongues," a sort of garbled jibberish they launch into when really excited. I remember one fat woman claiming she saw the face of Jesus in the sky, through the glass door. Like sports-betting lunatics, every mundane thing was a sign. The sun appears from behind a cloud. Hallelujah, He has blessed us! The cops turn off the power in the building, lights go out. Get behind thee, Satan! Incredible ....)

Why the hatred? Simple, its because there are people who in Christianity are hate mongers too. The guy above, Ken Layne, assumes all Christians who vote Bush are the same. Believe me, I'm against abortion, but I totally disagree with idiots storming abortion clinics,and feel the ones who bomb abortion clinics are lunatics also. My faith in Christ is not a way for me to express hatred at all liberals, or to bomb all infidels. Why the back lash? They don't understand us. They feel we hate all non-Christians, and are blinded by their hatred of something they fear or don't understand. The above was wrote in a backlash on this election. The left have found a scapegoat for this election, and it is not the policies of Bush, it is his faith in Christ, and we all are in the mix along with him.

Dean Esmay noted this fear:

This paranoid fear of the vast Christian Right bogeyman that's going to destroy freedom is one of the odder paranoid quirks of the left in this country (sort of like the right's incessant fear in the 1990s that the United Nations was going to abolish the Constitution). Yes, there are lunatics on the religious right, but every party has its lunatic elements.

Dean is right, but allow me to note the hallmark of a bigot is his inability is to distinguish the lunatics from the rest.

Don't beleive the hate is out there. Well, another liberal bigot put it this way:

Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?

We come to a point: We cannot profile a Muslim at the airport because he might feel bad, but we can stereotype and criticize Christians from sea to shining sea (and mostly in the red states in-between) for beliefs they might hold. Why are they allowed to say whatever they want about Christians, and still be called enlightened? Why are we allowed to feel hated, and to be slurred against and have no one on either side worry about our freedom of religion, or freedom from hate speech? Wasn't John Kerry and John Edwards visiting black CHRISTIAN churches during their campaign? I guess it is ok to use Christians for votes on the left, but when things go against them to throw them to the lions.

I take a look throughout the net to see who is championing my rights, and the rights of other Christians to be free from hatred. Civilrights.org's Religious Freedom page? No, they are attacking Bush's faith-based initiatives today, and have a banner up proclaiming Bush's choices of judges are all extremists. Certainly the ACLU (AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION) will stand up for me, right? I visit their Religious Liberty page and see the section I need: Religious Discrimination. Certainly they will understand. Nothing. Articles grace the page heralding a "backdoor attempt by some Members of Congress to permit tax-exempt religious organizations to engage in partisan political activities" and another "on behalf of Lubna Hussein, a Muslim woman who was told she must remove her religious garb in order to accompany her children at a municipal swimming pool" Worthy efforts sure, but how about defending my right to be free from, as they say:

assaults on the freedom to believe

I believe in Jesus Christ, and I have been called an ignorant fanatic. These are the some people who say I am a racist bigot for being a Christian. To the left our religion is a crutch, and proves we are ignorant. Personally my faith is not tied to whether they care, but this country was not founded so that in 2004 Christians can be told to go make their own country. Why? So they, the left, can be accepted by the world. I want no division between us and them. We should all be held in the same light as Americans. Our differences abound, however. The biggest difference between us is the way we try to change things and the way they try to change things. An example:

They want the right for gays to marry. They have the courts push it onto the populace. They have a mayor in San Francisco conduct illegal weddings. They push it onto the populace and expect us to accept it. We instead put it up to popular vote, and let the people decide. The will of the people triumph and they say we want a theocracy. I say they want a dictatorship, a big brother to tell us what is right or wrong for us.

So they hate us. I will allow the Bible to give my final word. How appropriate they might say:

And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

Mark 13:13



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Patriot Paradox

1 posted on 11/05/2004 11:19:00 AM PST by sonsofliberty2000
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Patriot Paradox

2 posted on 11/05/2004 11:20:17 AM PST by sonsofliberty2000 (4 More Years!)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

The Democrats' woes aren't due to Christians. It's due to the left's rabid secularlism, which borders on God-hatred.


3 posted on 11/05/2004 11:20:31 AM PST by My2Cents (The Democrat Party is pining for the fjords.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Good job!


4 posted on 11/05/2004 11:22:09 AM PST by netmilsmom (Zell on DEM Christianity, "They can hum the tune, but can't sing the song.")
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Blame the Republicans? No, This Time It's the Christians

You're welcome, folks.

5 posted on 11/05/2004 11:22:26 AM PST by RichInOC (...not perfect, just forgiven...)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Get out the Gloat!


6 posted on 11/05/2004 11:22:46 AM PST by annyokie (Can you say MANDATE, democrats?)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

It's funny how liberals don't seem to mind much when Islamic radicals blow up buildings and kill thousands of innocent people, but let a Christian cast a vote...!


7 posted on 11/05/2004 11:23:02 AM PST by Spok
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Interesting post. I hope the evangelicals finally recognize the clout they have.


8 posted on 11/05/2004 11:23:45 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: RichInOC

When Libs talk about Christians, they sound like Caligula in The Robe.


9 posted on 11/05/2004 11:24:09 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Christians endured the hatred of the Romans;

A handfull of cranky Dimocrats are no threat to us!


10 posted on 11/05/2004 11:25:18 AM PST by Redbob
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Deserves a cross posting on the religion forum.

Thanks for posting this.


11 posted on 11/05/2004 11:25:39 AM PST by torqemada ("Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!")
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To: sonsofliberty2000
If Democrats couldn't pick on Conservatives and Christians they would pick on each other.

They are a bunch of negativists.

12 posted on 11/05/2004 11:25:41 AM PST by syriacus (Did Kerry's scare tactics, about folks catching the flu, keep the elderly Democrats from voting?)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Christian ping


13 posted on 11/05/2004 11:26:44 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

The hysterical ramblings of neurotic fools. Not worth the electrons needed to display them.


14 posted on 11/05/2004 11:27:57 AM PST by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

"One Nation UNDER GOD"

Never Forget!!!

15 posted on 11/05/2004 11:28:49 AM PST by dansangel (Thank You GOD for answering our prayers!)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
A corollary to this point is that they make sure you understand that Satan resides in the toils and snares of complex thought and so it is best not try it.

I guess he's never read Aquinas' Summa Theologica

16 posted on 11/05/2004 11:28:57 AM PST by LouD
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Of course they need to blame, they are the party of non-responsibily. The fact of the matter is, it took far more than the "Religious Right" to elect W. Anyone who makes decisions with their brain instead of emotions saw that the choice was clear. The Dems need to wake up and see where they are in relation to the majority of Americans ... WAY TO THE LEFT!!!


17 posted on 11/05/2004 11:29:05 AM PST by leftcoastlibertarian
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There is a corresponding rabid hatred of religious Jews by secular, leftist Israelis.

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18 posted on 11/05/2004 11:29:49 AM PST by Alouette (Schadenfreude--it's better than prozac!)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
In the Bible it says, "Judas went out and hung himself". In another verse another chapter another book it says "go out and do likewise". If these folks would just follow those two verses it would be okay with me. Please forgive me lord for this Michael Moore version of your teachings, it is in a humorous spirit.
19 posted on 11/05/2004 11:30:03 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: Spok

(((It's funny how liberals don't seem to mind much when Islamic radicals blow up buildings and kill thousands of innocent people, but let a Christian cast a vote...!)))

This is so true! ROFL!


20 posted on 11/05/2004 11:31:06 AM PST by freepertoo
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To: sonsofliberty2000

BTTT


21 posted on 11/05/2004 11:31:23 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: biblewonk
Anti-Christian ping.
22 posted on 11/05/2004 11:32:29 AM PST by newgeezer (Democrats will cheat, steal, lie, do ANYTHING to win, because their noble goals justify every means.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

They left blame the EC because it's an easy fall back target for them to attack

What the left don't want to admit is ....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1271266/posts?page=18#18

* GWBush increased his support across nearly all minority voters compared to 2000:
> 42% of Hispanics voted for GWBush (up from 35% in 2000).
> 11% of African-Americans voted for GWBush (up from 9% in 2000).
> 24% of Jewish voters voted for GWBush (up from 19% in 2000).
> 47% of women voted for GWBush (up from 43% in 2000).
> 52% of Catholics voted for GWBush (up from 48% in 2000).
> 23% of gays voted for GWBush (unchanged from 2000)


23 posted on 11/05/2004 11:33:35 AM PST by Mo1 (one country, one Constitution, and one future that binds us)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

But, but, but, we are supposed to honor diversity of thought and not practice any type or religious intolerance. < /sarc > Oh my the libs must be getting for a mental breakdown.


24 posted on 11/05/2004 11:35:37 AM PST by LayoutGuru2 (Triskaidekaphobia ? Never heard of it !)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Ah yes....the inherent hypocrisy of liberalism.

Liberals lovedemocracy until the majority of people support ideas contrary to their own.
Liberals love tolerance unless it involves their tolerating dissent.
Liberals love religion so long as it isn't a convicted faith that actually governs one's life.

I've had many people claim that their opposition to Bush lies in his scary admission that his faith plays a role in his everyday decisions. But do these same people hold themselves to the same standard and realize that many christians are frightened by politicians who base their decisions on humanistic, atheistic, agnostic philosophy?

We all have personal belief systems that govern, to some extent, our decisions and actions. So long as those decisions do not violate the liberties of others or violate existing law, there should be no prejudice against such a person.

How funny that more than half of the country is comfortable with Bush's faith, yet these liberals cannot stand the democratic outcome that illustrates this.

A brief reading of those excerpts shows that those who decry religious people as ignorant, blind sheep are actually the dangerous folks themselves. It is they who are intolerant....it is they who are incapable of logic and reason......it is they who would seek to infringe over others they see as inferior to themselves.




25 posted on 11/05/2004 11:36:10 AM PST by goldseth
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To: Search4Truth; syriacus

When empowerment is founded upon hate and lies (as current liberalism driving the democrat party surely is), ANY defeat of that empowerment scheme results in bitterness, inwardly. These people are clearly embittered but unable to achieve consciousness of their root problem. As with children throwing a fit on the floor of your home, they cannot be indulged while in their 'tantrum' stage.


26 posted on 11/05/2004 11:38:00 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

27 posted on 11/05/2004 11:39:57 AM PST by Liz (The man who establishes the reputation of rising at dawn, can sleep til noon.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Here's a bio on the author of the Slate piece, Jane Smiley (circa 2000).

"Jane Smiley turned fifty just in time for the new millennium. She lives in California with her three children, three dogs, and her sixteen (and counting) horses.

Born in Los Angeles, California, Jane moved to the suburbs of St. Louis, Missouri, as an infant, and lived there through grammar school and high school (The John Burroughs School). After getting her BA at Vassar College in 1971, she traveled in Europe for a year, working on an archeological dig and sight-seeing, then returned to Iowa for graduate school at the University of Iowa.
MFA and Ph.D. in hand, she went to work in 1981 at Iowa State University, in Ames, where she taught until 1996.

She has been married three times -- to John Whiston (1970-1975), William Silag (1978-1986), and Stephen M. Mortensen (1987-1997). She has two daughters, Phoebe Silag (1978), Lucy Silag (1982) and one son, AJ Mortensen (1992).

Jane is the author of ten works of fiction, including The Age of Grief, The Greenlanders, Ordinary Love and Good Will, A Thousand Acres, which won the Pulitzer Prize in 1992 and Moo, as well as many essays for such magazines as Vogue, The New Yorker, Practical Horseman, Harper's, the New York Times Magazine and the New York Times travel section, Victoria, Mirabella, Allure, The Nation and others. She has written on politics, farming, horse training, child-rearing, literature, impulse buying, getting dressed, Barbie, marriage, and many other topics. She is also the author, from Crown, of a book on craftspeople living in the Catskills. Her new novel Horse Heaven is being published in April 2000.

She is now at work on a novel about sex set in Hollywood."

A real role model if ever I saw one. Remind me to ponder whether Jesus or Jane should be the one for my kids to emulate (NOT!).

Pathetic. The good thing is that we've got things to do over the next four years. They've got only endless handwringing, name-calling, and angst.


28 posted on 11/05/2004 11:41:05 AM PST by ColoCdn (Truth never dies)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
In the article Boing, Boing claims conservative Christians might "bring back slavery if they want." And the liberals say we're ignorant!

Republicans have historically advanced black rights. We are the party of Lincoln. Republican Senator Lyman Trumbull (R-IL) authored his Party’s 13th Amendment banning slavery, and the Civil Rights Act of 1866 granting full citizenship to African Americans. On February 3, 1870, the Republicans' 15th Amendment was ratified after passing in the House with 98% Republican support and 97% Democrat opposition. This granted the vote to all Americans regardless of race. During the following years, southern democrats continued to suppress the black vote any way they could.

I'm upset that so many people swallow the lie that the Republicans are Neanderthals racists who turned hoses on blacks to suppress their civil rights. Those folks were the Southern Democrats, under which the KKK flourished. During the era of Jim Crow, Democrats dominated the southern state legislatures, and they proudly called themselves the "Segregationist Party."
29 posted on 11/05/2004 11:42:42 AM PST by keats5
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To: LouD

I might suggest the author have a "light read" of Chemnitz's Loci Theologici - yea Christans can't think critically. If only the pinheads today could think half as clear!


30 posted on 11/05/2004 11:46:24 AM PST by unixadm (Ignorance can be fixed, but stupid votes DemocRat forever.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

"In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world." - John 16:33

Take joy in our persecution.


31 posted on 11/05/2004 11:47:47 AM PST by Syco
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To: HarleyD
I hope the evangelicals finally recognize the clout they have.

I wish it were so HarleyD. An evangelical is one who lives his/her life according to scripture. I don't see too many of those in church now-a-days. Mostly I see CINOs (christian in name only) - live like hell on Saturday but go to church on Sunday. If evangelicals were in great number the difference would be so dramatic that the Federal government would probably send in tanks like they did at WACO.

I think this vote represented the silent secular moral majority who voted out of fear of what might happen if Kerry was elected.

Yes this is answered prayer! After we thank our Lord for this victory we must follow Romans 13:1-7.

33 posted on 11/05/2004 11:52:20 AM PST by Luke
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Ping for later


34 posted on 11/05/2004 11:54:56 AM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: Liz

Nice map..bump to save.


35 posted on 11/05/2004 11:55:26 AM PST by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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To: Luke

Unfortunately I think there's much truth in what you say.


36 posted on 11/05/2004 11:55:37 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: sonsofliberty2000

then THIS JEW is a Christian,no we are Americans!!


37 posted on 11/05/2004 11:57:24 AM PST by rang1995
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To: sonsofliberty2000
...they build the kind of theocracy they've dreamt of, with Jesus at the helm.

Yup, that time is indeed coming, although it won't be done by election and there's utterly nothing that writer or any other human can do to stop it.

I need to pray harder to feel pity for these people instead of loathing. That's an area I admittedly have a problem with, and it's wrong. Yes, they're venomous and hateful, but the Bible told us this was coming, told us they wouldn't listen, told us they would laugh and mock and spite. It's really not that much for us to have to tolerate, given the big picture. I've read the end of the story. We win, and that's an abject guarantee.

MM

38 posted on 11/05/2004 11:58:04 AM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
[Yes, fellow Christians, it is our fault that the Liberals cannot regain their place among the rest of the world]


Well, I have to agree with that up to a point.

I have been praying and fasting for two weeks up until the election for Bush, not just to win, but to win in a mighty way so that the world may know that Bush's God is greater than bin Laden's God and that the USA is a Christian country! Looks like my prayer was answered. Thank You, Jesus.
39 posted on 11/05/2004 12:04:31 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: Liz
For those playing at home, here's the URL - http://newsimages.synacor.com/ap_photos/NYET26311051453.jpeg

Great resource - a map of religion, and down to the county level even! Strange, and troubling, that there's so much overlap between this map and the electoral one.

40 posted on 11/05/2004 12:06:13 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Psalm 73)
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To: HarleyD
I hope the evangelicals finally recognize the clout they have.

I think they already understood this. The main question is how this political clout comports with being a good Christian. While I understand how a Christian would not want to get his hands dirty in polical campaigning, I strongly disagree, as some claim, that a Christian should not vote. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's". We are Caesar.

41 posted on 11/05/2004 12:13:53 PM PST by nosofar
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To: Syco
Take joy in our persecution.

Absolutely! But I gotta tell you, having the candidate for morality win this election is a whole new kind of joy for me.
42 posted on 11/05/2004 12:18:59 PM PST by so_real (It's all about sharing the Weather)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Of course the left hates and fears Christians..it also hates and fears the founding father's version of America

Lesbians, Pedophiles,Trial Lawyers,Union thugs,Organized Crime,Marxists, Islamo Fascists,Hollywoodites, Pornographers, Public School Teachers,Sodom and Gomorrahites dont want anyone to stop them from plying their trades or their vices

The Evangelicals are their greatest nightmare...they are organized...they meet at least once a week and are under no central authority...yet one church belives pretty much like another of its own kind and does so without a central committee to rule over it...

Like sleeper cells that never sleep....

Instead they take their orders from a little book they call the Bible...

The Romans tried to kill them off ...the Chi Coms the Soviets and now the Democrats...no one can kill off the Christians or stop them from worshipping Christ or from living and teaching their children the right way to live...

If a man being evil wants to blame anyone else for his own evil other than himself....he can never be cured...

A disease must be appropriately diagnosed before the correct cure can be implemented

If the dems want to really know what beat them there is a relatively simple explanation...but one must humble oneself before one can accept the truth...


"When a citizen gives his suffrage to a man of known immorality he abuses his trust; he sacrifices not only his own interest, but that of his neighbor, he betrays the interest of his country."
--Noah Webster


43 posted on 11/05/2004 12:25:42 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: MississippiMan
Yup, that time is indeed coming, although it won't be done by election and there's utterly nothing that writer or any other human can do to stop it.

But first comes the man of perdition, the world leader the liberals will line up behind like little ducks. Once in power they will slaughter their opposition with glee but bring down the roof on themselves. The fifth seal is the Martyrs. The sixth seal is the realization of their destruction. Revelations Chapter Six. Great stuff.

44 posted on 11/05/2004 12:32:41 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

"the literal word of the Bible is tremendously contradictory". Had a smart young man repeat the exact words to me one time. I handed him the bible and ask him to show me. Needless to say he couldn't and confessed as much.


45 posted on 11/05/2004 12:34:33 PM PST by usslsm51
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To: sonsofliberty2000; Alouette
Looking better all the time:


46 posted on 11/05/2004 12:39:02 PM PST by TexasCowboy (Texan by birth, citizen of Jesusland by the Grace of God)
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To: American in Israel

You know, twenty years ago, I would read about predicted endtime events, and I had a hard time wrapping my mind around it. It seemed SO unlikely to me that the world would be so blind, so naive, so gullible as to fall for antichrist. Now I have NO problem envisioning it. The world in general, and around half the USA population, will fall in behind thinly veiled evil without a second thought. For evidence, see the UN. Or here at home, Clinton and Kerry. The clock is ticking.

MM


47 posted on 11/05/2004 12:46:45 PM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: sonsofliberty2000
Election Reinforces U.S. Religious Divide
48 posted on 11/05/2004 12:46:48 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Liz

Thanks, Liz


49 posted on 11/05/2004 12:47:18 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: MississippiMan

Agree with your summation.

But could it also be because we are getting older and wiser? LOL!


50 posted on 11/05/2004 12:49:01 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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