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Posted on 11/06/2004 1:47:06 AM PST by Snapple
(Washington, DC--November 1, 2004) The escalation of violence by Islamic extremists over the past year has mobilized moderate Muslims to speak out against Islamic terrorists, an expert on suicide bombers told an RFE/RL audience last week.
Joyce M. Davis, author of "Martyrs: Innocence, Vengeance, and Despair in the Middle East," and an associate director of broadcasting at RFE/RL, said that the terrorists perpetrating violence in the name of Islam are at "war with Islam" itself, and that Muslims who believe in the peaceful tenants of their faith are the ones "who will have to defeat them." Davis said that she sees evidence that these voices of moderate Islam are now speaking up in defense their faith, "even at the risk of themselves becoming targets, which is a real threat."
Davis said that, while many Islamists consider the United States and the western world as the enemy of Islam, her research -- particularly interviews with scholars in the Middle East -- refutes this conclusion and supports the view that "extremists who act against the religion's teachings are actually its true enemies." While acknowledging the history of martyrdom and its significance in the expansion of Islam, Davis said the violent actions taken by terrorists in the name of God are not supported by Islam and its religious texts.
According to Davis, many of Islam's most prominent scholars have concluded that the September 11 attacks and similar attacks on civilians are not justified by Islam's teachings. For instance, Abdulaziz bin Abdallah al Sheik, the leading religious authority in Saudi Arabia, declared in April 2001, "Any act of self killing or suicide is strictly forbidden in Islam. The one who blows himself up in the midst of the enemies is also performing an act contrary to Islamic teachings." More recently, Grand Sheikh Mohammed Sayed Tantawi of the Al Azhar Mosque in Cairo -- considered the highest authority in Sunni Islam -- told a conference in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia in July 2003 that extremist Islamic groups had appropriated Islam and its notion of jihad, or holy struggle, for their own ends, asserting that "Extremism is the enemy of Islam."
Davis argues that the only way the war against terror can be won is by giving a voice to moderate Muslims, just as RFE/RL is doing in its daily broadcasts. She encouraged more moderates to reclaim their religion from the extremists whom they feel are "the greatest threat to the survival of Islam in the modern world." At the same time, Davis suggests the United States do more to engage the moderates and their defense of the true nature of Islam, which celebrates world peace. She noted this is not easy, because of the risk that moderates themselves will be targeted for attacks. To hear archived audio for this and other RFE/RL briefings and events, please visit our website at www.regionalanalysis.org.
Joyce M. Davis, author of "Martyrs: Innocence, Vengeance, and Despair in the Middle East," and an associate director of broadcasting at RFE/RL, said that the terrorists perpetrating violence in the name of Islam are at "war with Islam" itself, and that Muslims who believe in the peaceful tenants of their faith are the ones "who will have to defeat them." Davis said that she sees evidence that these voices of moderate Islam are now speaking up in defense their faith, "even at the risk of themselves becoming targets, which is a real threat."
Ping.
There are about 5,000 of them trained by US forces and backed up by 10,000 Marines that are going to start defeating them in a few hours.
God keep them safe.
What did we (in America) learn from September 11, 2001 and the deaths of 3,000 people. I am tempted to admit: Absolutely Nothing !!!
Among the many unlearned lessons of 9/11, the Day-Which-Will-Live-In-Infamy II, the necessity to control our borders, the need for a patriotic renewal and the importance of combating multiculturalism -- the most significant is the NATURE of Islam. You will note that I do not say militant Islam, or radical Islam, or Islamic extremism or any other such weasel words – but just Islam. Period, end of argument !!!
Every one of the hijackers who flew airliners into the World Trade Center and Pentagon were professing and practicing Muslims, as is Osama bin Laden. The Al Qaeda terrorist network, is based in Muslim countries and supported financially by the so called pious Muslim leadership of Saudi Arabia !!!
The overwhelming majority of Muslim religious authorities who have spoken out on the subject, including those at the main mosque in Mecca and Egypt’s prestigious Al Azar University, either endorse or rationalize acts of terrorism. On a day when Americans were incinerated or buried under tons of rubble, Muslims from Nigeria to Indonesia, celebrated wildly in the streets !!!
Sept. 11 was just one more chapter in a 1400-year jihad. Every day, the World Trade Center massacre is reenacted on a smaller scale somewhere in the world. Jewish women and children are burned alive in a bus in Israel. A missionary is beheaded in the Philippines, gunmen shoot up a church in Pakistan, deliberately firing into the prostrate bodies of women who were trying to shield their children !!!
Ancient monasteries and convents were destroyed in Kosovo. Women are sentenced to death for adultery in Nigeria, Hindus are murdered in the Kashmir. In Denmark, the Muslim community there has put a $30,000 bounty on the heads of Jews and those who support Israel. Nuns are beheaded in Baghdad, Christians in Sudan are forced into slavery, hundreds of parents and children are murdered in a Russian school, and in Britain, Islam openly states it is going to take over not only the UK, but the entire world -- and the beat goes on... and on... and on !!!
Genocide in the Sudan, ethnic cleansing in the Balkans, religious persecution in Saudi Arabia, calls for another holocaust in mosques from Mecca to Gaza, the imposition of Islamic law in Nigeria, forced conversions in Indonesia, synagogues burned in France, Jews attacked across Europe – these are everyday events, as the Third World and much of the First slowly turns Islamic green. Eeeeyuch !!!
Sadly our leaders, from President Bush on down, insist on peddling the absolute absurdity that "Islam Is A Religion Of Peace" – a creed of kindness and benevolence tragically and inexplicably corrupted by a few misguided fanatics. Bovine Feces, George W. (pull your stupid head out of your ass) !!!
Why is the leadership of the West so reluctant to confront manifest reality? The reason lies partly with our absurd foreign policy. We have declared certain Muslim nations to be our loyal allies – including Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan. Good grief... we surely would NOT want to "offeeeeeennnnnd" these dear and loving friends by saying something unflattering about their bloody, butcher-based, dark ages, moon god murder cult !!!
Americans are naturally benevolent. Most of us are taught from childhood that religion is good (and it does not matter which religion). As long as little Johnny believes in God and goodness, it’s inconsequential whether he lights candles, wears a skull cap to services or prays in the direction of Mecca. Yes, that's what most Americans are taught !!!
However... this works with every religion except Islam !!!
Consider the following: Of the three major western religions one was started by a lawgiver who helped to free slaves; one by a man of peace; the last one by a man who loved war and having sex with children. Mohammed not only led men into battle, he enjoyed marrying girls as young as six years old (yes, it's in the Koran) !!!
The essence of Mohammed's message is sick and thoroughly disgusting. A holy war where you slaughter your enemies, while at the same time encouraging followers to have sex with the children they capture (as he did) "for the glory of Allah." He even advised his followers to negotiate false peace treaties in order to lull their enemies, before they suddenly beheaded them !!!
For almost 1,400 years, that has been the reality of Islam. Within a century after the death of Mohammed, Islam spread throughout the Middle East and across North Africa. It overran the Iberian peninsula and was finally stopped in southern France. It spread eastward as far as the southern Philippines. It was not propagated by fresh-faced young men knocking on doors and announcing: “Hello. I’m from your local mosque. Have you considered the Koran?” It was and is spread by force – conversion by the sword or death -- and this murder cult method is still in practice today !!!
Some will respond that all religions go through periods of violence, usually in their infancy. Christianity had its crusades and Inquisition, its forced conversions and expulsions. The evil committed in the name of Christ happened centuries ago. But the evil committed in the name of the murder cult prophet is going on right now, even as you read these words !!!
Of 22 present conflicts in the Third World, 20 involve Muslims versus someone else. Coincidence? In his brilliant book, "Clash of Cultures and the Remaking of World Order," Samuel Huntington speaks of Islam’s "bloody borders" therein !!!
There is no Methodist Jihad, no Jewish Hasidic holy warriors, no Buddhist monk wanting to have 72 firm breasted virgins and 12 beautiful young boys waiting for him in Buddhist paradise after a suicide bombing, no Hindu Holy men plotting to blow up people and property, no Southern Baptist beheaders, and no Mormon elders preaching the annihilation of members of other faiths !!!
Islam is a religion of war and warriors – the perfect vessel for fanatics, the violence-prone, the envious and the haters of all stripes. This is the main reason why Islam is making so many converts among the formerly peaceable denizens of our prison system !!!
Still... much of the West is addicted to a fairy-tale version of Islam. Christian and Jewish clergy fall all over themselves to have interfaith services with imams. Representatives of Muslim groups are invited to the White House. The president signs a Ramadan declaration. In California, public schools ask children to role-play at being Muslims. Our universities take CAREFULLY SELECTED verses from the Koran and present them as the essence of the faith. All that’s needed is a Muslim character on “Sesame Street.” Look – it’s the Jihad Monster !!!
This perspective engenders a fatally false sense of security. Imagine, in 1940, Winston Churchill taking to the airwaves to announce “Nazism is an ideology of peace which, regrettably, has been perverted by a few fanatics like Hitler and Goebbels. But most storm troopers and SS men are fine fellows – your friends and neighbors.” Yeah... sure !!!
For the first thousand years of its history – from the death of Mohammad to the 17th. century decline of the Ottoman empire, Islam was an expansionist force. For the next 300 years, as the West rose to preeminence, Islam receded. For the past four decades – fueled by Arab oil wealth, a surplus population in the Middle East, the waning of the West and the rise of more virulent strains of the faith (Shiism, Wahhabism, Sunni fundamentalism) – Islam is expanding once more !!!
Due to Muslim immigration and aggressive proselytizing, Islam is being exported to the West. Muslim populations are burgeoning throughout Western Europe. (In southern France, there are more mosques than churches.) In Judeo-Christian America, Islam is the fastest growing religion. It is also spreading down the coast of West Africa, through the Balkans (after Serbia, Macedonia is the next target) and up from Mindanao in the Philippines !!!
Wherever it comes, Islam brings its delightful customs – child marriages, female circumcisions, rabid hatred toward Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists and every other non-muslim, terrorism and support for terrorism and a virulent intolerance of other faiths as it invades the local population !!!
We currently see this happening... right now... today,,, in Hamtramk, Michigan... where the ignorant city councel has purposely given Muslims permission to pollute the entire city with high-powered loud speaker screechings from the top of their mosques, from morning to night, six times a day, seven days a week, as they scream Muslim chants to glorify their pagan moon god Allah, and his child molesting, head chopping prophet, Mohammud (may he rot in hell). And the ACLU backs them 100%, threatening to sue anyone who dares to complain !!!
Yes, yes... the ACLU... the American Civil Liberties Union... but in reality it's the Arabic Communist Lucifer Union, championing their "cleave unto" plan of action against Judeo-Christian America. And then they further defend it by saying... "Hey, it's no different then when you disgustingly filthy, pig fat polluted, less than human Infidels ring your damned evil church bells on Sunday morning." !!!
So am I suggesting we declare war on over 1 million billion Muslims? The question is moot – Islam has declared war on the rest of the human race. When one side knows it’s at war and the other thinks peace and brotherhood prevail, guess who wins???
Ultimately, it is not about Jews in Israel, or Orthodox Serbs in Kosovo, or Hindus in Kashmir, Buddhists in Thailand, or Maronite Catholics in Lebanon, Taoists in China, or Christians in Sudan, Nigeria and Russia... but ALL OF US. As Ben Franklin would have it – Either we will "hang" together, or surely we shall all "hang" separately (now swap "be decapitated" for "hang" to properly update Mr. Franklin) !!!
There is not one Islam. The KKK was a terrorist organization that professed Christian principals, but this does not mean that all Christians are like the KKK.
Nope--only Muslims who turn away from Islam and accept Jesus Christ.
There is not one Islam
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004:089: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back [to their homes], then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
004:091: You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority.
A terrorist might interprete this one way, a different sort of Muslim might interprete his scriptures more symbolically.
You can look in any religious scripture and find justifications for about anything.
I look more at how people interprete their religion that what it seems to say literally.
Lumping all Muslims into one group is a big present to Osama.
http://www.harunyahya.com/terrorism1.php
This is a description of a book for Muslims. It denounces terrorism. Here is how the description of the book begins:
"God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny. He warns you so that hopefully you will pay heed. (Qur'an, 16:90)"
"God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny. He warns you so that hopefully you will pay heed.
(Qur'an, 16:90)
As Muslims, we strongly condemn the terrorist attacks on two major cities of the United States of America on September 11, 2001, which caused the death and injury of thousands of innocent people, and we offer our condolences to the American nation. These attacks propelled the important issue of the true source of terrorism to the top of the world agenda. Thus, it has been announced to the entire world that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance that summons individuals to compassion and justice. Many world leaders, leading media organisations, television and radio stations said that true Islam forbids violence, and encourages peace between people and between nations. The Western circles that have come to a full grasp of the religion of Islam and are well-informed about Islam as commanded by God in the Qur'an noted clearly that the words "Islam" and "terror" cannot stand side by side, and that no divine religion permits violence."
Nope--only Muslims who turn away from Islam and accept Jesus Christ.
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[2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.
[2.217] They ask you concerning the sacred month about fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter, and hindering (men) from Allah's way and denying Him, and (hindering men from) the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are still graver with Allah, and persecution is graver than slaughter; and they will not cease fighting with you until they turn you back from your religion, if they can; and whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies while an unbeliever-- these it is whose works shall go for nothing in this world and the hereafter, and they are the inmates of the fire; therein they shall abide.
Muslims in Saudi Arabia are now having a public discussion about what is Islam and what is tradition (ie their tribal traditions).
I think they are going to modernize Islam by separating out many practices that are actually pre-Islamic tribal practices.
It is kind of interesting.
http://www.harunyahya.com/
This site is an example of Muslim thinking that is not oriented toward terrorism. It explains the context of some of the saying in the Koran so that people don't take the sayings out of context and misapply them.
The author is Turkish and Muslim.
The Western circles that have come to a full grasp of the religion of Islam and are well-informed about Islam as commanded by God in the Qur'an noted clearly that the words "Islam" and "terror" cannot stand side by side, and that no divine religion permits violence."
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Understand this: No matter what Islamic fundamentalists say about peace, their religion demands that they fight and kill Christians and Jews. Islam proclaims a theology of triumphalism. Simply translated, Muslims believe that it's the will of Allah for Islam to rule the world.
Islamic law stipulates that to fulfill Mohammad's vision for world domination, every "infidel domain" must be considered a territory of war. According to Moris Farhi, author of "The Last of Days," Muslims believe that there can be no peace with Jews or Christians or any other non-Islamic people, and that if peace must be made, only a truce is permissible and that "for a maximum of 10 years as an expedient to hone our swords, whet our blood, and strengthen our will." Mohammad made physical violence an invincible, yet integral, part of that faith.
Islamic theology boils down to one condition: Islam must destroy the Jews kill or convert every Christian and rule not just Israel -- but the world, or Mohammad is a false prophet and the Koran is not true. Such a thought of Islam falling is absolutely inconceivable to the followers of Islam!
For that reason, Islam, representing the majority of Arabs, must attack Israel and the Jews to be loyal to their faith and eventually destroy America as well. The strategy of the current terrorist wave in Israel is as simple as it is satanic: Kill so many Jews that they will eventually abandon Jerusalem and the desire for a Jewish state, along with teaching the Christians what is in store for them.
The only muslims that are not after us are not "true" muslims.
That is what Islamic fundamentalists may say--but not all Muslims are fundamentalists.
http://www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com/
This is a site that is Muslim that denounces anti-semitism.
Now they do criticize Zionism. You can click and see what they say.
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/index.htm
Yes, I have read this site carefully in the past. I know what it says about Arafat, Al Huseinni, Saddam.
We can, but do you think any muslims are reading it? That seems like a good target audience.
The problem is that the site I posted and the evening news have a lot more in common than your posted link.
Even though I like your link much better.
Arab Christians also are unhappy with Israel. I tend to support Israel, but my Arab-Palestinian Christian friend sees it differently. Still, she is no supporter of Arafat, Saddam or OBL.
Personally, I feel that if the Arab countries had not attacked Israel in 1948, the Palestinians and the Jews could have worked together to build a country. But now that is probably impossible.
I also think that some of the more extreme Jews that settle right under the noses of the Palestinians just make things worse.
I hope with Arafat out of the picture that some Palestinians will come to the top that want to get peace for their people so they can build normal lives. However, the kids are so poisoned with hatred that this will be difficult.
I know that site Tell the Children the Truth.
The problem is, you don't see this information anywhere except there. So I sort of wonder if it is true or not.
Or what is left out. I any case, that is old. What are we going to do to have peace now? Not fight about the past as they did in Yugoslavia. That is a dead-end strategy.
I do know Muslims as I live near a large mosque. I don't like who was running things at the mosque--but he ran away to Yemen with the FBI after him.
A lot of Muslims don't listen to all the trash-talk they hear from the radicals. They do want some settlement for the Palestinians, tho'.
Al Taqiyya in action to lull the infidels into a false sense of security!!
Moderate Muslims will never make a difference because they are brainwashed by the Death Cult like all the rest.
IMO until this demented belief system is marginalized much like Nazism was marginalized after WWII, it will continue to be a horrific threat to the entire world.
The best defense is the marginalization that is taking place all over the internet. The religious leaders who are appeasing Islam are not real leaders IMO.
Could you explain what you wrote please? Who or what is Al Taqiyya?
Most of what I know about Muslims is based on people who are my neighbors or my students.
They have issues about Israel, but they don't like terrorism.
Many are helping translate so we can win the War on Terror.
Many work for the American government.
Many are exceptionally afraid of these terrorists since they experienced Islamic fanaticism first-hand. They have been real patriots.
I worked with 13 muslims around 9-11. Better than half of them were glad it happened and viewed Osama as a hero. The rest were indifferent at best. Google al taqiyya and find out for yourself.
http://www.islamdenouncesantisemitism.com/thepagan.htm
This link is by a Muslim who is explaining Nazi ideology and saying that it is pagan and anti-Islamic. I think this is a good site. It is pretty obvious that the extremist Arabs (secularist like Saddam, too) like the Nazis.
Of course, why did this happen? The British were in the Middle East after WWI so Arabs sided with the Germans in WWII. But this is history. The British promised the Arabs and the Jews everything they could because they were fighting for their survival.
I even read that a lot of Arab intellectuals got their NAZI/Nationalist ideas while they were educated in France.
Again, however, that is history and we want to go forward and not backwards.
Islam is a huge religion. It can't be marginalized. I think sites like this are a really good thing. Many Arabs may not know what the Christians in Germany did to the Jews. They are taught (the lie) that the Jewish leaders secretly supported Hitler so he would kill Jews so they would leave and go to Palestine. They are taught the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a Russian secret police fabrication(actually plagiarized from a FRENCH)is true.
Because of destructive people like Arafat, the average Palestinian has a very difficult life.
I hope with Arafat gone that some solution for the Israel-Palestine issue can be found. The terrorism has got to stop and the kids have to get educated, not poisoned by propaganda. Maybe then everyone could give up a little to get peace.
Where do you work and live? Generally, I am not trying to pry.
At that time I was in Chicago
Well, I live in Northern Virginia--not far from the Pentagon. There are some Muslims like you mention, but the ones I know aren't like that. Now that Osama finally admitted that he did 9-11 some Arabs are sort of shocked. They were so brainwasshed that the Jews did it.
You think this site is lying? I think it is either this man's mission or it is something the German intelligence is doing. Who knows. The languages are German, Turkish and Hebrew. It would be nice if it were in Arabic.
http://www.harunyahya.com/
Actually, this site does have many languages--Arabic too.It was just the link to a different site that didn't have all the languages.
It is an interesting site because it teaches tolerance. So I don't think it can be some lie because Arabs can read it too. Fanatics would never expose their people to sympathetic information about Christians and Jews.
3 of the more militant muslims, after I ridiculed them for their stance that the Jews did it. They immediately changed in their demeanor and became overly friendly to me. It was all too phony. After that there isnt a muslim that I trust.
Many theologians will make this point. Scripture used to be quoted in the South to justify slavery of black people, yet very few Christians would make this argument today.
The thing is to know the context of the quote. A servant in the Bible should be interpreted by Christians today as to mean only a servant. It might mean an employee.
A real religious message has to speak to people across the ages when their specific social contexts change.
Islam came to power in a tribal warlike kind of culture.
How much of what is seen as Islam is really just this older culture? Muslims are trying to sort this out.
I believe that the problem is that muslims are dedicated. They all read and believe what is contained in their evil handbook.
Here is truth. Jesus Christ is Lord. Islam is Satanic.
Well, some are pretty brainwashed by some of those ignorant imams.
Still, here is a story I heard. An Arab mom came to the public school and told her child's teacher (an Arab Christian) that at the Mosque they were mean to the kids and taught them to hate. As a mother she didn't like her child being taught all this hate. The Muslim mom even said that in the Christian Sunday schools they teach love. She wanted her child to be taught love. She worried that if her child was taught hatred instead of love that he would leave his Muslim faith. She is probably right. Hatred is very powerful, but normal people, that is to say most people, go for love.
So for those of you who really believe in God's love for all mankind, try to show it on this forum once in a while. Because people are watching and evaluating you as Christians and deciples of Jesus. And if you are Christians with a lot of hatred for Muslims, calling them snotty names like dish-rag heads, ass-holes, etc. you aren't winning friends and influencing people. And we all want to be little evangelists, right? Right? That may not mean converting the world's Muslims, but it could mean showing them love and tolerance.
Not Osama and his crew, of course. Nobody said we had to be suckers.
From the "watch what they do, not what they say" department - let me know when there are churches and synagogues in Mecca, Medina, Riyadh, Damascus, Cairo, Islamabad, Teheran, and similar places, and the locals aren't trying to destroy the structures, nor discriminating or killing the attendees.
Jesus wants us to evangelize.
Are you going to convert Muslims with that line? Good luck. You'll need it.
Jesus said that we should love our enemies and evangelize.
Good manners and respect for other people's values will help you evangelize, should you want to follow the Lord.
In my dealing with Muslims, I try to be a good Christian. Comming off like a jerk doesn't make them respect my faith.
nor discriminating against or killing the attendees.
Right. But if you want that to change you can't just call them names. You have to bring out the examples of tolerance in their scripture. This site seems to do that.
http://www.harunyahya.com/
You'd like it to be true, but it just isn't.
Give an example, then.
*crickets*
So from which part of the Bible did you interpret that Jesus taught you to be naive and to have your head cut off? :)
The Islamic Terrorist and their sympathizers are all our enemies; who are their sympathizers may be one of our greatest surprises and mistakes.
So from which part of the Bible did you interpret that Jesus taught you to be naive and to have your head cut off? :)
Yer too late...We all now know better...
I remember watching the news report in Israel where 'muzlims' were in a window opening ripping apart the body of non muzlim...And with the wide open exposure to the world of the islamic cult, we see that this is the norm for the religion, not the exception...We have learned that muzlim kids are taught these practices and beliefs, IN AMERICA...
Your message no longer holds water...We see the holes...
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