Skip to comments.ABOUT THOSE FALSE EXIT POLLS
Posted on 11/06/2004 12:25:33 PM PST by forest
The first thing we have to realize is that media liberals tried to throw the election for the party of the ass again. Of course, this newsletter's readers were alerted back in issue 321 (Another Election Reporting SNAFU Coming Up).
In a nutshell, the failed Voter News Service was replaced by two groups headed by former CBS News reporters with their election results funneled to Associated Press to tabulate and disseminate to media outlets.
So, we had the very-left (Bush Administration haters) AP essentially programming most news outlets on election results. AP will never be confused with fair and balanced reporting. Anything they publish should be taken with a few grains of salt. Or, like Reuters, AP articles should be disregarded as little more than socialist propaganda.
With this background, we can get down to the nuts and bolts of how to affect an election. Two words nail it this time around: exit polls.
Most of the media were provided exit poll data last Monday. The idea was to create an expectation of a Kerry win within the media. The liberal New England states, of course, would report early and go for Kerry, which would tend to verify the exit poll data and further boost the media's willingness to subtly act as if Kerry were to win a large majority in all states. With that, the exit poll mania quickly spread and the liberal media were happy to report, early on, that first data showed Kerry on top in key states.
Their idea in this closely programmed propaganda ploy, of course, was to suppress the conservative vote in many states outside of New England by demoralizing Republican voters.
That was the plan. Except, it didn't work very well this time around.
They called some states for Kerry as soon as the polls closed, but would not call states for Bush (like Florida) even after 92% of the vote was counted and Bush had a clear win. Even Fox News got in on that scam.
Tuesday, while polls were still open, Susan Estrich said on Fox News that she had spoken to Kerry headquarters and that either all the exit polls are wrong, or John Kerry is the next president. All the networks trotted out their far-left spinmeisters to back up the AP exit poll lies. Which means, all television networks were involved in spewing propaganda aimed at demoralizing those who would vote Republican.
Tuesday evening (EST), the scam was in full swing -- and by then, the bogus "news" was heard by Midwestern and Western voters. Most polls throughout the country were still open, yet the talking heads could hardly contain themselves from declaring Kerry's grand slam. Exit polls all favored Kerry, of course. Or, so talking heads thought, anyway.
They might just as well have had the Kerry campaign and the Democratic Party count the vote. They would have done it free. Instead, the media had the Democratic media cheerleaders do it, and actually paid big bucks for the false information.
But, by this stage of the game, the American people were well advised of the strong liberal bias in the media. After so many news outlets ran with the obviously forged Bush National Guard documents perpetrated by CBS News and seconded by many other news outlets, people took notice. Then came another totally bogus story, again disseminated by many news outlets around the country, concerning "380 tons" of "missing" explosives in Iraq. These were just two instances of out and out fabricated stories designed to affect the Bush campaign. Yes, the American people noticed.
And so too did voters notice the glee displayed by the talking heads as they talked of exit polls and did just about everything but declare a clean sweep for Kerry last Tuesday -- even while all polling places were still open.
Fact is, few of us believed the talking heads. Sure, many of us became concerned. That just made the plan backfire on AP & company. It made even more conservatives go vote. No matter how long the lines were, the exit poll lies gave determination to conservative voters.
So we have three major media scams in as many months. All propaganda ploys. All backfired in the face of major media. We know Old Media for what they are.
Old Media, babble on. But remember that few Americans believe you anymore. Your days are numbered. New Media is taking over.
AP is never fair and balanced. Ditto Reuters.
How to affect an election: Exit polls.
The idea was to create an expectation of a Kerry win.
They called Kerry states early, but not Bush states.
The American people are noticing liberal media bias.
So we have three major media scams in as many months. All propaganda ploys. All backfired in the face of major media. We know Old Media for what they are.
Bloggers are taking over.
What are the odds of this big of an 'accidental' screw up in the exit polls, which would benefit the DIMs, four years after the last big 'accidental' screw up, the latter causing people not to go out and vote Republican in the Florida panhandle in 2000, which also benefited the DIMs? Something smells funny.
As intended, they succeeded in suppressing the Republican vote in the west where the results were too close for comfort.
Can you imagine how large the president's victory would have been if the rats had not succeeded in suppressing the vote. It would have been a 56 to 44 Bush victory...unheard of in modern times.
Kerry leading Virginia? North Carolina too close to call? As soon as I heard the MSM spinners putting this garbage out, I knew the fix was in. Fortunately, they failed.
I'm just glad that ,for the most part ,everyone here at FR kept their heads and seemed to notice something was wrong with the first exit polls.
And as a P.S. - Couldn't this have backfired by Democrats saying Kerry was going to win so they didn't need to go vote?
We shouldn't. I don't.
You'd think so, but there's a lot of research that says the major impact is that it causes the underdog's supporters to get discouraged.
So much for research!!
Where is that Susan the Witch since election night. She was bragging how she is always right and is all knowing. She is probably in a rubber room about now.
Don't let your guard down or let them get away with the crap they tried to pull in the 2004 election.
Everything from shooting up GOP campaign offices to vandalizing homes, cars, and businesses that had Bush-Cheney signs. It was tantamount to burning a cross in a yard or brownshirts throwing stones through windows.
Also the media lies and distortions (outright fabricated hoax news). Abu Ghraib had genuine abuse that was under investigation but it was not HARSH enough for the media. They had to pose photos of British soldiers urinating on "prisoners" and pull photos from a porn site to show evidence of Americans "raping" "Iraqis". No wonder America lost respect for this war and the terrorists consider us disciples of Satan.
The media is vile/evil and heads MUST roll. My term for what they did is Zogbyism.
The difference between McCarthyism and Zogbyism is that there WERE communists in government whereas President Bush WON the 2004 election.
Probably not. Also, the late voting undecideds were probably affected as they would have been more likely to pull the lever for the "already declared" winner.
The reports that Kerry was having such an early election success and the reports of being so far ahead in PA, and comfortably ahead in FL and OH probably cost Bush PA, WI, and NH. I voted in the morning but I can tell you that I was plenty depressed when I saw the early exit polls being reported and then that being translated into "body language" by the television pundits.
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The Rat party is a criminal enterprise
I remember a CNN reporter in 2000 saying people where doing that - said people where angry being asked so lied to the pollsters!!
No "new tone" required for the next four years. We should put the screws to America's enemies--inside and out--with the same giddy joy the villagers had when wiping out the bandits in Kurosawa's "Seven Samurai". They earned it and so have we.
I don't think that the undecideds want to be able to say "I voted for the winner", I think that they DO vote for the majority poll candidate in the end in part because they concede their choice to those "smarter" than they are ("I don't understand who's better so I'm going to go with the one who won the debates and has peoples' confidence").
Subconsciously though, they may indeed want to vote for the winner (imagine being distraught over the decision of who to vote for, casting a ballot, and then LOSING; much easier to go with the "popular" choice, especially with the MSM pushing Kerry down everyone's throat).
I personally think there should be a media blackout on all election reporting on election day. Only the next day, after the votes have been tabulated and all sent in to one source should the results be released. If that means waiting until a day (or two or even three) after the election, so be it. These polls and networks 'calling' states has got to end. It might also end some of this fraud where certain areas wait to see how many votes they need. Nobody should be able to see the results of any other precinct- just send them in when tabulated at previously agreed upon time.
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I wonder if these two things (The polls and the manipulation of the online market are related?
"A particular humiliation for Soros must be the fact that he, celebrated as the man who broke the Bank of England with his speculative attacks on the British pound in 1992, was bested during this election by a tiny online futures market. Well never know if it was Soros, but as Ive reported here, someone using Soross trading philosophy tried to manipulate the futures on George Bushs reelection probabilities, traded online at Tradesports.com. After whoever it was threw away millions of dollars on losing trades to push futures prices down at critical moments in the campaign to make it seem as though Bushs chances were worse than they really were the futures nevertheless turned out to be near-perfect predictors of the election."
The media distortions of Abu Ghraib turned the war effort (here in America and in Iraq) and the inflated "combat deaths" list is purely a propaganda tool. People wrongly assume that it is an "official" list; it is not. The list is compiled from press releases of military deaths (which list all such deaths around the world). Inclusion/exclusion is up to the propagandist compiling the list. Bigger numbers serve the antiAmerican War left. They wanted 1,000 deaths by 9-11-2004 (or at least election day).
They also wrongly assume that they are war injuries; technically they are as the people were deployed in the Iraq war. Some of the people died in Iraq of non-combat injuries and illnesses (car accidents, drowning, electrocution, heart attacks, pneumonia, etc.). Some did not even sustain their injuries in Iraq. Many have died in Kuwait; some in Germany; and in one case, that has been purged from some lists, a woman died while crossing the highway in KANSAS. The Washington Post maintains such a list and omits the woman in Kansas; they DO include a man who died of a vehicular accident in Kuwait that same week.
NONE of this would have been tolerated in America during WWII. Mildred Gillars and William Joyce were both convicted of treason for their biased reporting during WWII. Both were American born propagandists.
Mildred Gillars and William Joyce are more commonly known by their Nazi broadcast names "Axis Sally" and "Lord Haw Haw". Mildred was sentenced to prison and William was hanged in England.
I don't expect to see the same punishments passed down today but make no doubt that Michael Moore and others in the media serve the same cause and are a disgrace to their profession.
I think it's ok to give the results out AFTER ALL VOTING AT THE POLLS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, and that voting should take place for 1 week, so that the validity of the vote can be assessed quickly. They should have proper PICTURE I.D. presented at the voting precincts BEFORE VOTING, and signatures checked against their I.D. card signature.
I like it that we have electronic ballots locally yet the local elections still take many hours to begin to get a sizable percentage of the votes counted.
THERE IS NOTHING TO READ/SCAN, just add up the tallied figues in the computer!
I realize that this will not account for every vote (absentee, provisional, alternate language) but certainly accurate counts should be known within the first hour.
What can we do about the media??? Just boycotting products doesn't seem like enough. Help---I stand ready to do whatever to put an end to their bias.
I really liked his 5:00pm FINAL release of his polling. Just late enough to be tainted by the early exit polls. Click here for the Zogby final results post on FR
I can't find it on his site anymore. Just like it never happened. I think I clicked through when this was posted to see it for myself so I don't think it was a ruse.
All their plan accomplished was having their crooked voters who normally would have voted 6 times stopping after 3.
Well, Evan Thomas did say the media would add 10-15 points for Kerry. I think he was right.
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All that need be done to prevent this from ever happening again is to PREVENT exit pollsters from asking the voter who they voted for.
Could be but it also motivated Kerry's base and kept some from voting Nader (if Kerry had been laughed out of this thing like Howard Dean was they WOULD have voted Nader to help keep the Reform Party viable for 2008, matching funds and all that...).
Look at how down in the dumps Kerry's supporters were when he lost. They are talking about leaving the country (such a threat that Canada issued a press release saying in effect WE DON'T WANT YOU! "Immigration here is like our health care system; STAND IN LINE!"). If the Kerry voters had entered November 2nd demoralized (poor morale, not "without morals" ;), some would have said "why bother".
Bush Country knew that the media was distorting the figures. Talk radio and the internet helped to keep our spirits up. Imagine the citizens of Soviet Russia only hearing state run media; they are exposed to nothing but party line dogma. This is what we got from the mainstream/buggy whip media. There are other avenues for information out there.
In part, the media's Zogbyism this campaign got the Silent Majority to the polls in greater numbers than had ever been seen at an election. 60 Million Americans said "Hell no!" to John Kerry and the mainstream media. We knew that the Bush haters would be out in force this election. We knew that there would be vote fraud. We also knew that we had the numbers to win in the end by sheer turnout.
A good number of Americans eligible to vote still stayed at home this election.
Many people lied to the pollsters...some were probably afraid to say"bush" for fear of Democrat thugs...people lied it's as simple as that!
Of course, you could look at it this way: At 11:00 AM and 1:00 PM, 11/02/04, the most likely exit poll results would have been biased toward folks that didn't work for a living. Given this dynamic, it could be possible that the count was largely democrat.
I'm either repeating what Laura Ingraham or Ann Coulter said the other day....research has shown that news that your candidate is behind discourges those who've yet to vote from going out to vote.
It's an emotional reaction, but it makes sense to me.
"three major media scams"
Actually .. there were 4 - everybody always leaves out the ABC Nightline FAKE WITNESSES story. ABC was willing to believe "supposed" Communist FAKE witnesses - over the decorated American military witnesses regarding Kerry's lying statements on his after action reports and his Silver Star citation.
"Something smells funny."??
Actually, I am not surprised that exit polling was off so much.
Many polling places had moveon.org "poll watchers" -- who were actually holding illegal Kerry rallies. Additionally, voters had been bombarded with messages from the Kerryokies that anyone voting for Bush was an evil moron that copulated with animals or committed incest with his (or her) parents or children. I got those type of messages from liberal co-workers, and I live in the Houston area. Lots of people heard about cars vandalized for having a Bush bumper sticker or homes trashed after having a Bush sign out in front.
Now, you are Jane (more likely in mid-day) or Joe Voter. You are not really political, and just want to live your life. To you participation in politics is voting every other year. But you have come out to vote, and in the privacy of the booth, picked Bush. This despite the noisy pro-Kerry rally just outside the voting booth -- held by these really intense people, who seem just . . . a little . . . ah . . . well, intimidating.
You leave the booth and start heading for your car. You don't want trouble. You just want to get to work or back home. Suddenly someone comes up to you and asks, "So, who did you vote for?" You do not know this person. Did she come from the group of pro-Kerry loons? Is she going to take your name? What happens if the Kerryokes get mad at you? So you look the person straight in the eye, and say what you know will let you get to your car undisturbed -- "John Kerry, of course."
Not every Bush voter did this. But if as few as one out of every eight to ten lied this way, the results would be that the exit polls showed a Kerry landslide. You would be swinging the totals 20% (Which is how far they were off in Pennsylvania.)
That is what I think happened.
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To the degree that the 'exit polls' were election fraud, designed to improperly influence an American election, investigations and prosecutions should proceed. Of course, even if they do proceed, they will probably slip into the never-to-be-reported file, already containing the forged documents matter, the Sandy Burger matter and the missing munitions matter.
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