Posted on 11/06/2004 12:30:21 PM PST by Perdogg
WASHINGTON (AP) - After losing back-to-back presidential elections, Democratic leaders are trying to figure out how to make the party more relevant to mainstream Americans and keep it from slipping into perpetual minority-party status.
And the task is daunting, many Democratic consultants and leaders agree.
Republicans have cut deeply into formerly Democratic areas in rural America, the Sunbelt, and among Hispanics, the nation's fastest-growing minority group. They have made gains on "family values" issues, winning over social conservatives who previously voted Democratic on economic issues, while keeping their advantage on national defense.
"We were on a tough playing field," said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., suggesting Republicans had made inroads among socially conservative former Democrats by emphasizing "wedge issues" like gay marriage and abortion.
Ballot measures in 11 states to ban gay marriage also helped boost turnout for Republicans.
Democrats also have no strong leader to pull the party out of the wilderness.
With the defeat of Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota, the party's top two congressional leaders are Pelosi, a San Francisco-area liberal, and Nevada Sen. Harry Reid, now the No. 2 leader, known mostly as a low-key insider.
For 2008, the presumptive leading presidential candidates are New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a Northeastern centrist and one of the most polarizing figures in American politics, and North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, a trial lawyer and failed vice presidential candidate with little public service besides six years in Congress.
Democrats have a bad case of the blues after seeing so much red.
A look at the 2004 election map with states President Bush won in red and John Kerry's in blue underscores the dilemma.
Unbroken stretches of red nearly from coast to coast, encompassing most of the heartland, the South, the Great Plains, the desert Southwest and the Rocky Mountain West. Blue states are mostly a fringe along both coasts - the Northeastern seaboard and the West Coast states of California, Oregon and Washington - along with some of the industrial states bordering the Great Lakes.
Democrats suffer from a chronic geographical and ideological predilection: They nominate candidates from the political left who have a hard time appealing to those in the middle.
"My advice to the Democrats is never, never nominate anybody from Massachusetts again," said Ross Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers University.
The last Northeastern Democrat elected president was John F. Kennedy in 1960. Since then, just three Democrats - all from the South - have served: Lyndon Johnson of Texas, Jimmy Carter of Georgia and Bill Clinton of Arkansas.
Once solidly Democratic, the South today is solidly Republican.
Democrats also lost seats in the House and Senate, increasing GOP majorities there.
"I don't think there's any question that we did not get the wind, the uplift that we had expected in this campaign," said Rep. Robert Matsui, D-Calif., chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. "The red states, after the debates, got redder."
Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg said Friday that Democrats were never able to bring economic issues to the fore. "We run elections in a real world. You can choose to say you wanted to focus on the economy, but Iraq was a powerful story. People were dying. You cannot have Iraq news without a candidate talking about it," Greenberg told reporters during a post-mortem session.
Robert Borosage, co-director of the liberal Campaign for America's Future, said: "Democrats have started forming their circular firing squads."
But Borosage urged Democrats not to capitulate, saying polling suggests a majority still supports the Democratic position on many economic and domestic issues like health care and the economy.
Al From, head of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council, which helped put Bill Clinton on the path to the White House in 1992, said Democrats "have to do a better job with connecting with those people who go to work every day and play by the rules."
"We need to compete all over the country. We can't allow ourselves to abandon any region like the South. And we can't cede territory to the Republicans because they'll take every inch we give."
Jenny Backus, a Democratic consultant, said the election was closer than Bush's 3.5 million-vote victory makes it seem. She suggested a swing to Kerry of 100,000 votes in Ohio would have given him the presidency.
Still, she said, "I think we can do a better job - and I don't blame this on Kerry, it's just something constitutionally we haven't done - of talking more about our values and love of country."
Democrats search the dark clouds for signs of light. Republicans could overplay their hand. Democrats still have an edge among Hispanics, which they could exploit. Focusing most of their attention this year on battleground states, they could do more to reach out to voters in other parts of the country, particularly in the Southwest and Mountain States.
Stephen Hess, a presidential scholar at the Brookings Institution, said he's seen the Republican party all but written off in the past when Democrats simultaneously ruled the White House and Congress - only to come roaring back.
"Eventually, the party in power is going to screw up," Hess said.
House Democratic leader Pelosi put it another way. "Quite frankly, I think the table is set for us in the next election," she said. "We have lost just about everything that we can lose."
They're going to have to quit naming moderate candidates like Mondale, Gore, and Kerry, and move a little more left. Hehe!
That's because that's all they have left in their party--they purged the moderates in '02, remember? I do, and was scratching my head thinking, 'what the hell are they up to?'. Figured we find out in '04. And boy-howdy did we find out.
They sure out-smarted us, didn't they?
Here is an idea: The Dems' could say they have seen the light and now believe it's not really such a good idea as they thought to punch a hole in a baby's head and suck the brains out!
Not quite. My one, consistent prayer for the Clintons ...
That the Lord would render the Clintons, and ALL their minions, totally powerless and useless and nameless and faceless and voiceless and homeless and penniless, and that He would strip them bare before the world, such is their evil, leaving only their immortal souls, and it is for these souls I pray ...
LOL...Clonton destroed teh Democatic party, They have NO credibility,
Al From, head of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council, which helped put Bill Clinton on the path to the White House in 1992, said Democrats "have to do a better job with connecting with those people who go to work every day and play by the rules."As opposed to Democratic political operatives (aka RATS) who break all the rules.
"New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a Northeastern CENTRIST (my emphasis added) and one of the most polarizing figures in American politics"
if Hillary is a centrist, than what is a liberal. And if she's a centrist, than how can she be so polarizing!
wow spell check needed,
That means they are getting on with the grieving process:
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
They're Blue da ba dee da ba daa...
They're Blue da ba dee da ba daa...
Democrats Have Bad Case of the Blues... which gives me great cause for joy and rejoicing!
How're the '06 Senate races looking for potential gains?
I might also add
The democrats are prisoners of the Pro Abortion--Gun Grabbin--Homosexual Pushing--Tree Worshipping--Anti Religion --Anti Military-- America is The Cause of All the World Ills --wack jobs that are the basis of the VAST majority of their $$$$$$$$$$$
They say $$$$$ is the mother's milk of politics and the democrats ain't got no other teats to feast on
No way they can shake off that Tar Baby and survive financially
Lose face?
House Democratic leader Pelosi put it another way. "Quite frankly, I think the table is set for us in the next election," she said. "We have lost just about everything that we can lose."Wrong, sister Pelosi, wrong.
In 2006 there are 18 RAT senate seats up for re-election, vs. 15 repub seats.
After that election, it's entirely possible that the Senate will be 60-40. Then you'll see what it's like to lose everything!
Dunno; haven't even considered '06. Been havin' too much fun in '04.
Who destroyed the schools?
;-)
No, Dammit! Republicans are the same as they have been for a generation. The Democratic Party has been hijacked by Socialists, trial lawyers, and ACLU militant atheists, and the hijackers themselves will never admit it.
The Democratic Party, in which I was brought up, ceased to exist a generation ago. There IS NO Democratic Party.
Pray for them per Psalms 109: may their days be short and few in number, and may another assume their place...
Amen ...
And I have a bad case of the I Don't Cares
This one should go into the Spin Hall of Fame: We're at rock-bottom, just where we want to be for next time!
I think the bolt holding her face up was turned a few times too many.
I know that George Allen Jr has to run for re-election.
HRC has to run. The California GOP wasted a perfectly good opportunity to rid the US Senate of Barbara Boxer.
Is Dick Durban up for re-election??
Hey Nancy. You ain't seen nutin' yet. The way your party is headed, you will be lucky to have half the reps and senators in Congress over the next 15 or 20 years.
Note to the RAT party: When you are in a hole, stop digging.
By the time the Dems clean her up for the next go around, she'll be two steps to the right of Atilla the Hun.
No way, Drumface! You're just getting started losing, because you're a loser and your parties ideologies are losers. Democrats haven't had a good idea in over 50 yrs.
So get used to it, Nancy, You'll soon be voted out and watching from the sidelines where you belong.
You can count on it!
I called my favorite sales lady at Nordstroms looking for a particular item. I hadn't talked to her for a while so I asked how her week was, she said it had been BAD. She seemed down. Although I didn't ask, I suspected she was down over the election.
Had I known she was a demonrat, I wouldn't asked her out a few weeks ago.
Sure, Nancy. But every time you think you've hit rock bottom, you go and dig a sub-basement for yourselves. Need a shovel?
If you found out she was a Dem, you could ask her out and try to convert her.
Rather contradictory plans, no?
This is a good start -- admitting that the Democrats do not represent "mainstream" Americans.
Now that is pithy.
Translation:
"If we'd only manufactured 300,000 phoney votes instead of the measley 200,000 we did, we'd be in the White House now."
Nancy Pelosi's right. The GOP will probably sweep the table in the Red States in 2006. But that leaves us unable to win more territory. The bad news for Pelosi is the Democrats, constituted as they are currently, can't break either into Red State America. We have more of an advantage than they do for apart from California, Blue State population and clout keeps shrinking. I'd hate to be in their shoes for the next couple of election cycles if things remain as they are.
Not even close NP, not even close.
Step 1: Purge Democrat party of all neo-Bolsheviks, anti-Americans, Pro-Islamofascists, big spenders, baby killers, and P.C. thug functionaries (NOTE: Extremely difficult; Might be more time-effective to disband the party and start from scratch).
Step 2: Clone an "ideal" Democrat centrist, with the patriotic strength of the late Scoop Jackson and the pro-life values of the late Bob Casey.
Step 3: Repeat step 2 a few thousand times.
Step 4: Run this candidate in all 50 states, on all levels.
That's pretty much the Democratic party's only chance of reconnecting with the American public they've chosen to abandon.
they got the blues eh??? well i hope and pray it's a nice dark NAVY BLUE... not some namby pamby baby blue or sky blue that they'll get over in a year or two!!!
ROFLMAO!!! Too funny. Pelosi is wrong about losing all they can. We here in California are looking for ways to turn back the socialist tide in our state. Pelosi better watch her backside here in her home state.
While Arnold isn't a conservative, the fact that he won is good in that it gets a Republican foot in the door, so to speak. I have a sense that Republicans will have to take Cali by a trickle DOWN approach, as opposed to grassroots UP. Just look at Massachusetts; Kerry didn't win by the percentages Gore won by. Four Republican governors in a row are having an erosion effect.
They will NEVER get it.
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