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Is It Different When France Does It?
War to Mobilize Democracy, LLC ^ | 11/6/04 | Andrew L. Jaffee

Posted on 11/06/2004 4:22:07 PM PST by forty_years

9 French troops and a U.S. citizen were killed when Ivory Coast fighter planes bombed a rebel position in the north of that country. The French have hit back, destroying 5 Ivorian helicopters and 2 bombers near the capital city of Yamoussoukro. Ivorians aren’t happy with France’s reprisals. Angry mobs are rioting, looting French properties, and yelling “Everybody get your Frenchman!” and “French go home!” Well, well, well, isn’t France’s criticism of the U.S. Coalition presence in Iraq a bit like the pot calling the kettle black? Listen to the French government’s words, as reported by the BBC:

President Jacques Chirac ordered the "immediate destruction of Ivorian military aircraft used in recent days in violation of the ceasefire". …

French Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said her country held Ivorian President Laurent Gbagbo "personally responsible" for public order in his country. …

Without giving details of the airport attack, the [French] defence ministry said the army had "responded in a situation of legitimate defence" and was seeking "the immediate end of combat".

Pretty strong words from a country that claims “France was against this [Iraq] war because this war was not necessary.” Is France’s presence in the Ivory Coast “necessary?” Are French “peacekeepers” in the Ivory Coast there strictly for humanitarian reasons, or do business interests play a part?

Mon ami, President Chirac, can you spell “Najaf,” “Sadr City,” or “Fallujah?” When U.S. sons and daughters get killed trying to bring democracy to Iraq, what should we do, sit on our hands? Your good buddy, Kofi Annan, is warning Americans not to clean up Fallujah just as you are cleaning up the Ivorian air force. Monsieur Chirac, vous êtes un hypocrite.

The U.S.’ reasons for going to war in Iraq were crystal clear. No WMD’s in Iraq? Some were found. The rest are probably in Syria, France’s traditional ally. Iraq weapons inspector David Kay found all sorts of evidence that Saddam was violating U.N. restrictions on WMD development. Kay's team found organic precursors for biological weapons. They found "suspected mobile biological agent laboratories." Kay's team found evidence that Saddam's goons were working on ballistic missile systems with ranges far in excess of the U.N.-mandated limits.

The French said they believed Saddam had WMDs before the war. The UN Security Council, including France, voted unanimously on 08/11/2002 to hold “Iraq in ‘material breach’ of its obligations under previous resolutions.” The same resolution “recall[ed] [a] repeated warning of ‘serious consequences’ for continued violations” by Iraq.

No links between Saddam and al-Qaeda? Au contraire, Monsieur Chirac; click here or here to see plenty of evidence of Iraq/al-Qaeda ties -- even related to 9/11.

Well, Monsieur Chirac, you can just pound salt up your butt. President Bush just garnered the largest popular vote in U.S. history. The President received a real majority, 51% or 59,291,983 votes. We’ll do what we have to do, and we won’t ask anybody about passing a “global test” before we do.

http://netwmd.com/articles/article774.html


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1 posted on 11/06/2004 4:22:13 PM PST by forty_years
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To: forty_years

How long before they Surrender or ask for our help?


2 posted on 11/06/2004 4:24:02 PM PST by The_Republican
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To: forty_years
Boy is this going to catch in my throat.

Let me clear it first. . . . AHEMMMMMMM . . .

I think we have to back the French on this one. They entered the area as peacekeepers and with the agreement of the Ivory Coast regime and were therefore present under legal circumstances.

Ouch!
3 posted on 11/06/2004 4:24:51 PM PST by StJacques
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To: StJacques


But now they're occupiers.


4 posted on 11/06/2004 4:34:06 PM PST by Gumption
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To: The_Republican

The french are looking for some clean underwear so they can raise a white flag. Small f in french intentional.


5 posted on 11/06/2004 4:34:14 PM PST by Mr. Keys (Sensitive war? French recipe for disaster)
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To: forty_years

Did Monsieur Chirac check with the UN before taking unilateral action against the Ivory Coast?


6 posted on 11/06/2004 4:38:00 PM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: Mr. Keys

LOL!


7 posted on 11/06/2004 4:48:21 PM PST by The_Republican
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To: StJacques

They entered the Sudan as part of U.N. peacekeepers, now they`re raping and pillaging along with the Muslims.


8 posted on 11/06/2004 5:02:42 PM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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To: infidel29
We should go in on the side of the Ivorians and against the French who are bent on becoming imperialist warmongers!! They want to establish a French colony in the African Nation because of the Oil recently discovered their and off of the coast. The Godless French will be demanding that all headscarf's and turbans be removed. No religion will be tolerated, everyone must worship the State and the State only !!
9 posted on 11/06/2004 5:24:40 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

I am inclined to support the French on this one. I have received an e-mail from American missionaries in Ivory Coast who are hold up in their compound with bombs going off all around them. They are fearing for their lives and are in need of our prayers. These are fellow Americans and need all the protection they can get. Pray for them and African believers.


10 posted on 11/06/2004 5:45:42 PM PST by dalless
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To: 26lemoncharlie

I am inclined to support the French on this one. I have received an e-mail from American missionaries in Ivory Coast who are hold up in their compound with bombs going off all around them. They are fearing for their lives and are in need of our prayers. These are fellow Americans and need all the protection they can get. Pray for them and African believers.


11 posted on 11/06/2004 5:46:03 PM PST by dalless
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To: forty_years

BTTT


12 posted on 11/06/2004 5:47:10 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Noachian

Whenever disorders that threaten British and French interests in their former colonies, they act with force without going to the UN. Only the US (when a Republican is in the White House) must go through the UN and let them decide how we use our forces, even when we're responding to a terrorist attack on our soil.


13 posted on 11/06/2004 5:53:33 PM PST by eagle11
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To: forty_years

Of course it is. Unilateral means 'without France'. Therefore France is not acting unilaterally. Simple. :)


14 posted on 11/06/2004 5:58:06 PM PST by Tealc (Mail me if you want on or off my Jaffa, Kree! ping list)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

as much as I`d like to agree with you, and as much as I`d like to side with France just to show them that we`re better than them and we`ll defend them AGAIN, I say stay out of it until we have to do something. A question; how do I post a pic I created with no url to link to? I don`t have a personal web site and I don`t know anyone who does.


15 posted on 11/06/2004 5:59:10 PM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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To: eagle11

Your post makes me wonder... If we would have just acted without trying to go the UN to begin with, would the rhetoric be any worse? We were foolish to try and acheive allies this way, it only gave us grief. Maybe we can chalk it up as a hard lesson learned. I don't think we will be checking with the UN on anything like that in the near future. They have become irrelevant to us, which is everything in the world. I think they will eventually go the way of the league of nations. Perhaps if we would not have tried to court the UN on this things would be different?


16 posted on 11/06/2004 6:00:08 PM PST by lmr (John Kerry, Favorite of World Leaders: Castro, Arafat, Kim Jong IL,Chavez and Bin Laden)
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To: StJacques

You want us to "back" the French imperialist? The same France that had a sweetheart deal with Saddam? Better clear your throat again.


17 posted on 11/06/2004 6:02:00 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: forty_years

There has been little reporting of it, but French and US Special Ops have been cooperating all over North Africa for quite some time.


18 posted on 11/06/2004 6:07:23 PM PST by JoeGar
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To: lmr

Since the toppling of Saddam, we have been criticized by the UN for violating international law, but at the same time, we've been asked to do something about Sudan and Iran. We continue to expose their inneptness.


19 posted on 11/06/2004 6:10:10 PM PST by eagle11
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To: JoeGar

I think france is struggling for their place in a Europe that is diminishing in importance compared to emerging Asia.

Instead of france demanding that we bend towards them, it is time they reach out to America.

The next 20 years are going to be tough for europe. Better humbly join the team, Jock.


20 posted on 11/06/2004 6:13:00 PM PST by Trainfish
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To: StJacques
They are protecting the Muslim rebels in the north who have been trying to slaughter the southern Christians for years. Whenever the government starts to win, the French step in and protect the rebels. Respectfully, the southerners are right - the French should leave. (They would be happy to have Americans, but not French).
21 posted on 11/06/2004 6:34:24 PM PST by JasonC
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To: forty_years
Is It Different When France Does It?

Yes. It smells worse, and is generally hairier.

22 posted on 11/06/2004 6:35:36 PM PST by smonk
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To: forty_years

But...but... Where's their permission slip?


23 posted on 11/07/2004 12:56:37 PM PST by Pirate21 (America has spoken!! Now, let's live up to the call.)
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