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Bush's Trouble Ahead
NY Times ^ | November 7, 2004 | LYN NOFZIGER

Posted on 11/06/2004 8:47:22 PM PST by neverdem

GUEST OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR

Washington — While President Bush would like to think that the voters gave him a mandate last Tuesday to push his "compassionate conservative" agenda through Congress, the wish may well be father to the thought. The truth of the matter is that barring such virtual clean sweeps as Richard Nixon's re-election in 1972 and Ronald Reagan's in 1984, political mandates are usually in the eye of the beholder. And there is no certainty that the Republican Party will remain unified when the choice is not between Mr. Bush and a Democrat, but between accepting or rejecting his policies and proposals.

Yes, the president did better than many expected and, yes, he picked up 51 percent of the popular vote, winning by about 3.5 million votes and carrying 31 states. That was a good and unchallengeable victory, made more so by the narrowness of his margin in 2000. But still, his real margin of victory was not much greater than it was in 2000; then, needing 270 electoral votes, he received 271; this time he received 286, not exactly an overwhelming victory.

The president and his people are deluding themselves if they think his victory signified general approval of his record, even within the Republican Party. It was fear of Senator John Kerry's liberal record that brought many critical Republicans back into the Bush camp on Election Day even though they were decidedly unhappy with his record of deficit spending, his increases in the size and scope of the federal government, his lax immigration policies and his handling of postwar Iraq.

In reality, the president can thank Republican gains in the Senate and House for giving credibility to his claims of a mandate. The defeat of the Senate minority leader, Tom Daschle of South Dakota, was, next to Mr. Bush's own win, the Republicans' most significant victory. For all his soft-spoken ways and claims of wanting to work with Mr. Bush, Senator Daschle was a consistent, effective and highly partisan obstructionist who blocked not only legislation but also presidential appointments, primarily those of conservative federal judges.

With Mr. Daschle gone and with the addition of four Republican senators giving the party a 10-vote margin in the Senate, Mr. Bush will probably no longer have to contend with Democratic filibusters preventing the Senate from voting on his judicial appointees.

This is especially significant because during the next four years many expect three or perhaps four Supreme Court vacancies. It is a stretch, however, to think that the Senate will view the election results as a mandate for Mr. Bush to appoint whomever he wants to the courts. For one thing, the new Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee will be the liberal and unpredictable Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania. And while some may think that Senator Daschle's loss will serve as a warning to Democrats hoping to defy the president, it seems clear that he lost not because of his record of opposition but because he lost touch with his constituents.

Finally, the increased Republican margin in the Senate doesn't automatically assure the president of easy approval for his legislative proposals. He still must contend with half a dozen senators from the party's liberal wing on social and tax issues, and with several small-government conservatives on others. Even in the House, where the Republican margin is greater and the discipline stronger, the president cannot expect a rubber stamp.

Conservatives like Representative Mike Pence of Indiana and his 85 colleagues on the House Study Committee are already girding to protest any spending measures and bills that would increase the size and scope of government. If they get their way, the president's major successes may amount to little more than getting a permanent extension on his tax cuts and making progress toward modernizing Social Security.

This is a long way from an across-the-board mandate. The fact is, such a mandate will come about only if and when the president can figure out how effectively to wield his clout against recalcitrant fellow Republicans or, failing that, prevail on the public to help put the heat on those who otherwise are prepared to buck him on the issues.

Lyn Nofziger was an aide to President Ronald Reagan.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; bushvictory; congress; georgewbush; napalminthemorning; nofziger; partyofthehindparts; republicanparty; senate; wot
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1 posted on 11/06/2004 8:47:23 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Hear that sucking sound? That's the NYT going down the toilet. Bye-bye, gray lady; hello, cranky old hag!


2 posted on 11/06/2004 8:52:18 PM PST by Juan Medén
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To: neverdem
"For one thing, the new Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee will be the liberal and unpredictable Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania"

Maybe yes and maybe no.

3 posted on 11/06/2004 8:54:56 PM PST by bluecollarman (Four More Years....Bush 2008)
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To: neverdem

Sheesh...sounds like he should be writing for Ron Reagan...


4 posted on 11/06/2004 8:56:19 PM PST by WestTexasWend
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To: neverdem
Hmmm after they pulling out all the stops to defeat President Bush we should start paying attention to the Dinosaur Media now?


HHHMMMMM......NO. Bye Bye NYT, you ARE the weakest link.
5 posted on 11/06/2004 8:57:59 PM PST by MNJohnnie (We got the Voter's mandate, now let's GOVERN!)
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To: neverdem
"picked up 51 percent of the popular vote"

Try 53%

6 posted on 11/06/2004 8:58:28 PM PST by bayourod (Specter's litmus test : "No Christian Judges")
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To: neverdem
And while some may think that Senator Daschle's loss will serve as a warning to Democrats hoping to defy the president, it seems clear that he lost not because of his record of opposition but because he lost touch with his constituents.

Hmmm. I wonder how much of Thunes $$ came from out of state? I know my 74 year old mom gave money to Thune, just to oust Daschle, and she lives in this state, Alabama, so she is no constituent of Daschle's.

Daschle's defeat had a GREAT DEAL to do with his blocking votes on judicial appointments.

7 posted on 11/06/2004 8:59:57 PM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch (THANK YOU LORD FOR YOUR MERCY TO US!!)
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To: neverdem

Play the Schwartzenegger sound bite, "Why should I talk to LOOSERS!"


8 posted on 11/06/2004 9:00:19 PM PST by agincourt1415 (OK, Democrats ITS OVER, GET OVER IT!)
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To: neverdem

The MSM will help the Donks to deny George Bush a mandate. You ain't heard nothing yet. The MSM will be in full shill mode for Donks same as during the election. It's a permanent war punctuated by election days


9 posted on 11/06/2004 9:01:41 PM PST by dennisw (Gd - against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: bayourod

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/elections2004/2004President.html


10 posted on 11/06/2004 9:04:20 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Sour grapes!


11 posted on 11/06/2004 9:05:11 PM PST by lonestar (Me, too!--Weinie)
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To: neverdem
""he lost not because of his record of opposition but because he lost touch with his constituents.

Dashle's defeat was aided by Bush/Rove talking Thume into running, lining up financial support for him, sending Frist, Cheney, and others in to campaign, spending Presidential campaign funds there even though the state wasn't in play, and the DNC having a massive GOTV program.

Bush doesn't like people who lie to him. Teddy is next.

12 posted on 11/06/2004 9:05:30 PM PST by bayourod (Specter's litmus test : "No Christian Judges")
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To: neverdem
"For one thing, the new Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee will be the liberal and unpredictable Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania."

Not if we can help it. Don't be counting your chickens before they hatch.

13 posted on 11/06/2004 9:07:03 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: neverdem

Hey, NYT staff: despite all your Bush-bashing, your side lost.

It must suck to be you.


14 posted on 11/06/2004 9:07:30 PM PST by Malleus Dei ("Communists are just Democrats in a hurry.")
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To: neverdem
Conservatives like Representative Mike Pence of Indiana and his 85 colleagues on the House Study Committee are already girding to protest any spending measures and bills that would increase the size and scope of government. If they get their way, the president's major successes may amount to little more than getting a permanent extension on his tax cuts and making progress toward modernizing Social Security.

Sounds perfect!!!

15 posted on 11/06/2004 9:08:11 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: bayourod
Dashle's defeat was aided by Bush/Rove talking Thume into running, lining up financial support for him, sending Frist, Cheney, and others in to campaign, spending Presidential campaign funds there even though the state wasn't in play, and the DNC having a massive GOTV program. Bush doesn't like people who lie to him.

Teddy is next.

I love it when a plan comes together.

16 posted on 11/06/2004 9:10:13 PM PST by MaeWest (Reporting from behind west coast enemy lines.)
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To: neverdem

people keep underestimating George Bush and his team. If we go back to one of the earliest "nonpartisan" crisis - that over the downing of our survalence plane off of China, we can see how deftly that was handled in an extremely problematical situation. Whether it has to do with deficits, immigration or post-war iraq, yes there are problems, but i think many greatly underestimate the degree these problems are thought through and when there are mistakes, mid-course corrections are made. if people started with the assumption that maybe his policies are deeply thought out and then there are the inevitable mistakes, they would be closer to the mark imho.


17 posted on 11/06/2004 9:10:51 PM PST by baseball_fan (Thank you Vets)
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To: neverdem

The voters DID give him a mandate, he is going to spend his capital, SO GET USED TO IT.


18 posted on 11/06/2004 9:20:00 PM PST by maxter ("We're on the right side of close" in this election. - Andy Card 10/28/04)
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To: neverdem

I hate the NY Times. As far as I'm concerned, they don't exist and I could care less what they print.


19 posted on 11/06/2004 9:37:26 PM PST by Merry
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To: neverdem

It's hell being old enough to remember who Lyn Nofziger is, and then reading the babble on this thread.


20 posted on 11/06/2004 9:44:12 PM PST by Nick Danger (www.swiftvets.com www.swiftvetsandpows.com www.wintersoldier.com www.kerrylied.com)
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To: neverdem
The truth of the matter is that barring such virtual clean sweeps as Richard Nixon's re-election in 1972 and Ronald Reagan's in 1984

C'mon, Lyn - - that's a partial truth and you know it. Neither Nixon nor Reagan had overwhelming majorities in the House and the Senate like Bush does. In fact, with the exception of the Senate for two years, Nixon and Reagan both had full-blown Democrat Congresses to deal with. Bush and the Republicans today have the clearest "mandate" since at least 1964.

21 posted on 11/06/2004 9:46:04 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: neverdem

Many of the Bush proposals, particularly on the budget and social security, and taxes, will have difficultly, because the numbers don't add up. But this piece is just pounding the keyboard. The writer doesn't have a clue how things will go. But Bush will get a serious and respectful hearing for his proposals, and will have a majority of Congress with an inherent bias to help him succeed. But some of his proposals will die, or emerge in a highly mutated form, because of the inherent difficulties attendant in implementing them. Watch, and you shall see.


22 posted on 11/06/2004 9:49:04 PM PST by Torie
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To: Nick Danger

I read this and could hardly believe it was Nofzinger. But something is nagging at me - - I think maybe the guy went a little looney back in the Clinton years with some stuff he wrote. I seem to remember having the same thoughts back then, like, what happened to Lyn?


23 posted on 11/06/2004 9:49:34 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I can. He had the job of herding the Congressional cats under Reagan. All he's saying here is that it will be a b*tch, even among the Republicans, because ultimately you've got 350 Big Egos over there, all pointing in different directions.

24 posted on 11/06/2004 9:57:34 PM PST by Nick Danger (www.swiftvets.com www.swiftvetsandpows.com www.wintersoldier.com www.kerrylied.com)
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To: Lancey Howard

I guess the libs at the NYT got tired of heaping abuse on President Bush, so they had to find a disgruntled Republican to do it now. Nofziger had his day in the sun with President Reagan. It seems he didn't learn Reagan's 11th Commandment of Thou shall not attack another Republican, or something to that effect.


25 posted on 11/06/2004 9:59:51 PM PST by midftfan
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To: neverdem
The president and his people are deluding themselves if they think his victory signified general approval of his record, even within the Republican Party

Hey, NYTIMES, my trousers are around my ankles, now kiss my big behind. Guess what, we don't care if it's a mandate or not, we're going to act like it's one and Dems will resist the president at their own great risk. And, talk about deluding oneself, you've been doing that for years in the bizarre belief you publish a real newspaper.

26 posted on 11/06/2004 10:04:18 PM PST by Casloy
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To: bayourod

I have heard Dems still talking about a 3 million vote win.
I don't think these people have been updated.


27 posted on 11/06/2004 10:08:03 PM PST by Brimack34
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To: neverdem
Second verse same as the first.

I guess the fall of the "Times" when it happens will be the only convincing factor for them that their folly is no longer palatable.

28 posted on 11/06/2004 10:16:32 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: neverdem

Yet the Dems have to go all the way back to 1964 to set forth any 'mandate' they won. The Carter, Clinton victories were just pluralities...yet the Dems in those eras set forth how they needed to 'do the work of the people'. Odd how slanted, how skewered their selective revisionist memories are.


29 posted on 11/06/2004 10:24:41 PM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: neverdem
There is a reason why Lyn Nofzinger is the has-been commentator of last resort.

Bush had it right---he has political capital and he's going to use it. Everybody get it? He won. That's it. He reminded everyone it's NOT about the PROCESS (listening, black caucus?)--it's about RESULTS.

He told use what the War on Terror was going to look like in his speech before the Joint Houses in late September 2001. No one should be surprised that he went after Iraq 18-mos later because he had laid out the entire plan. With Bush, we better write it down because, regardless of what the press says or how people spin it, it's all out there.

His press conference this week was the same way. We KNOW what the President is going to do; he's already told us.

For a man who's "verbally challenged", he sure seemly to send out a clear messager, if anybody's willing to listen.

30 posted on 11/06/2004 10:24:51 PM PST by MHT
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To: Nick Danger
"It's hell being old enough to remember who Lyn Nofziger is, and then reading the babble on this thread."

Yes, he used to be a Republican and now he is a NYT lapdog.
31 posted on 11/06/2004 10:29:51 PM PST by Max Combined (There is in human nature generally more of the fool than of the wise.)
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To: agincourt1415
Play the Schwartzenegger sound bite, "Why should I talk to LOOSERS Losers!"

That's better.

32 posted on 11/06/2004 10:39:47 PM PST by yavapai
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To: neverdem

Lyn, Lyn, watch and learn.


33 posted on 11/06/2004 10:42:43 PM PST by Atchafalaya (When you're there, thats the best!)
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To: Nick Danger
All he's saying here is that it will be a b*tch

Exactly, and with good reasons as he explained. While the House pubbies present their own problems, the Senate with clowns like Schumer wanting to filibuster judges, and the RINOs, his ability to horse-trade in order to advance conservative objectives is fairly limited, especially while the budget has a deficit. As far as I'm concerned, Nofziger only said wake up and get real.

34 posted on 11/06/2004 10:58:41 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: MHT

You are absolutely right. It's been there all the time. The MSM's and the deluded never let that stop them before this. What makes you think they might take note now at the hieght of their DENIAL?


35 posted on 11/06/2004 11:20:14 PM PST by CBart95
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To: neverdem

The MSM, especially the NYT, has lost all credibility. It's nothing more than a shill for liberal elites.


36 posted on 11/06/2004 11:20:43 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: lonestar; Juan Medén; MNJohnnie; agincourt1415; dennisw; Malleus Dei; Merry

Some of you guys should find out who Lyn Nofziger is before painting this as a clear example of liberal media bias. Of course, the NYTimes is using this to bash the President and I don't understand Lyn's reasoning for writing this. Maybe he's just an old grouch (he's obviously unhappy with W's fiscal policies, which I hope all of us are).

But there seems to also be a little disdain from former Reagan operatives towards this Republican administration. There was always a bit of Reagan/Bush rivalry between the former presidents' administrations anyway. And there seems to be a bit of the older guys not wanting to tip the hat to the young upstarts here.

I remember shortly after the inauguration when Peggy Noonan made the statement on Hannity and Colmes that Bush was not "our guy" in the Republican primaries ("our" meaning the Reagan Regiments). Of course Noonan is one of Bush's biggest supporters now and it is clear that W has won the heart of the evangelicals just as Reagan did before him. Now he needs to work more on the fiscal, small government conservatives (redundant) and he will truly be Reagan's heir apparent.


37 posted on 11/06/2004 11:22:14 PM PST by streetpreacher (Bush did not lead this country into an unjust war; Kerry led this country out of a just war.)
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To: neverdem
You can't blame the poor morons at the New York Times for trying to look on the bright side of things, but when they start talking about the wish being father to the thought and things being in the eye of the beholder and people deluding themselves, they reach a new dimension in mindless optimism--not to mention self-deception.

Try to show a little compassion, everybody. Mindless morons are people too. I'm sure they're doing the best they can.

38 posted on 11/06/2004 11:24:01 PM PST by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: Max Combined

No, he was Reagan's most trusted advisor from before he was Governor all the way through his presidency and you should show a little respect for your betters.

Reagan and his guys paved the way for all of us. Without them, there would be no Republican revolution, Bush presidency or mandate. Remember that.


39 posted on 11/06/2004 11:27:05 PM PST by streetpreacher (Bush did not lead this country into an unjust war; Kerry led this country out of a just war.)
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To: Tuscaloosa Goldfinch; jmstein7
"I wonder how much of Thunes $$ came from out of state? I know my 74 year old mom gave money to Thune, just to oust Daschle, and she lives in this state, Alabama"

Senator-elect Thune sent me the *nicest* thank you letter for my contribution. He will add much-needed class from South Dakota to the U.S. Senate.

For me, I now wish that I'd sent him ten times as much money. Such a nice man.

40 posted on 11/06/2004 11:28:09 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: streetpreacher
" meaning the Reagan Regiments). Of course Noonan is one of Bush's biggest supporters now and it is clear that W has won the heart of the evangelicals just as Reagan did before him. Now he needs to work more on the fiscal, small government conservatives (redundant) and he will truly be Reagan's heir apparent.



Why is it that no one remembers that Reagan DOUBLED Federal Spending between 1981 and 1988? Reagan passed the 1986 Tax HIKE? That Reagan passed an Illegal Alien Amnesty in 1986?

The Ronald Reagan you all worship never existed ok? CONGRESS not the President holds the reigns. When are you people going to wake up that the KEY is not to hyperventilate about Bush and spending. The KEY is to get Congress to re implement the 1995 Budget Rules that requires NEW spending to be off set by spending CUTS. It's the STRUCTURE of the system, not any one person IN the system, that drives the spending. So let's stop looking for some mythic magic bullet and get busy doing the hard work of LOBBYING CONGRESS for the necessary changes
41 posted on 11/06/2004 11:30:55 PM PST by MNJohnnie (We got the mandate, now let's GOVERN!)
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To: Savage Beast

Savage, this is not a Times guy. It's Nofziger. Sheesh.

He's always had this tendency to try to wax poetic.

Have you read his inane Blog site?


42 posted on 11/06/2004 11:33:20 PM PST by streetpreacher (Bush did not lead this country into an unjust war; Kerry led this country out of a just war.)
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To: neverdem

Nofziger only said wake up and get real


No what you guys are saying is "he might as well surrender, their is no reason to fight for what we believe in because it is all hopeless."

Same old Grim Freepers club. It's all over, no reason to fight for what we believe in. I have to wonder why you guys even bother coming here? I mean to listen to you guys it's all hopless nothing can be done. The Dims might as well as won since everything is hopless.


43 posted on 11/06/2004 11:35:19 PM PST by MNJohnnie (We got the mandate, now let's GOVERN!)
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To: JohnnyZ

If they get their way, the president's major successes may amount to little more than getting a permanent extension on his tax cuts and making progress toward modernizing Social Security


Which is 2000% MORE then anything we got under Clinton.


44 posted on 11/06/2004 11:38:52 PM PST by MNJohnnie (We got the mandate, now let's GOVERN!)
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To: streetpreacher

No. Do I hafto?


45 posted on 11/06/2004 11:44:05 PM PST by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: MNJohnnie; Bonaparte

With comment# 41, I thought you were catching my drift. After comment# 43, I see that I was wrong. I'm not saying it's hopeless, implying hopeless pessimism. But unwarranted optimism can cause unnecessary pessimism when a hope is not realized. I just want folks to keep an even keel. We're in a long, hard slog.


46 posted on 11/07/2004 12:10:07 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

We're in a long, hard slog.

Yep. No one ever said it would be easy but I want you to think about this.

What great achievenments in Science, Engineering, Art, Governance etc etc was ever achieved by people who started out saying

"Oh man there are all these problems. We have to overcome this and that. These people and those people will be opposing us. Then there are these problems. Whine, cry bitch......

Sorry but I think too many Freepers use their excessive negativity to rationalize inaction. I would much rather fight and fail then spend all my time complaining about how hard the fight is.


47 posted on 11/07/2004 12:42:09 AM PST by MNJohnnie (We got the mandate, now let's GOVERN!)
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To: neverdem
This is exactly why Bush doesn't waste his time reading the papers. Notice how he didn't even have a majority last time and governed the way he thought best which was to immediately start out with tax and education reform.
48 posted on 11/07/2004 12:49:04 AM PST by ketchikan (Widen your horizons if you want to survive)
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To: neverdem

Somebody once told 'em the World is gonna roll 'em,
They ain't the sharpest tools in the shed.
They were lookin' kinda dumb,
With their fingers and their thumbs,
In the shape of L's on their foreheads.

PACK 'O LOSERS tm.


49 posted on 11/07/2004 2:48:56 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: neverdem
Only one thing to say.  A leader leads!
50 posted on 11/07/2004 3:06:10 AM PST by I_dmc
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