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Citizenship swap? Ugly fat liberals want to move to europe!
BBC Online ^ | 08/10/04 | Melissa Jackson

Posted on 11/08/2004 8:42:40 AM PST by AngloSaxon

Just as Paul Daniels and Frank Bruno once threatened to quit the UK if Labour got in, many Americans warned they would flee abroad if George Bush was re-elected. So will they honour their promises? In the run up to the US presidential election last week, Hollywood veteran Robert Redford was asked what he would do were George W Bush to be reinstalled in the White House for four more years.

"I'll probably be in England, no Ireland," said Redford. Visiting or living asked the BBC reporter? "Living," replied the Oscar-winning actor.

Whether Redford was sincere or not remains to be seen, but he was not alone in considering such drastic action in light of a Bush victory.

The BBC News website received several e-mails from Democrats and other anti-Bush activists threatening, in varying tones of seriousness, to quit their homeland if George Bush was to win again. A few even mentioned moving to the UK.

Of course, in the cold light of day these sort of threats have a habit of coming to nothing. But there are signs that some, at least, seem determined to see it through.

Student Brian Boyko has lost faith in America Brian Boyko, a 25-year-old postgraduate journalism student, says he is serious about moving to Britain in light of Wednesday's result. Mr Boyko, who actually voted for Mr Bush in 2000, says he fears Mr Bush's policies and his right to govern are based on faith over reason.

"I think this election was our last, best chance of changing the direction the country is headed in," he says.

Mr Boyko, a student of the University of Texas, feels more Americans will leave the country once Bush's policies really start to bite.

"I think it'll probably start with gay people and Muslim Americans, those likely to be the scapegoats. Something is rotten here. I'm just smelling it earlier than some other people."

"Even though I voted for the other guy, I'm still going to have my nationality associated with the death and destruction the next four years will bring, and I'd rather not. So I'm looking to reject this society and find another one."

He plans to leave the US after he completes his degree in May.

North or south?

While Mr Boyko is keen on Britain, Canada seems a more realistic option for others. The day after the election result last week, Immigration Canada's website set a new one-day record for visits, with more than 179,000 hits - 64% of which originated in the US.

I love my country and am proud to be an American, but I don't think I have ever been as down about this country as I am now

Prof Ian Mitroff A tongue-in-cheek website - marryanamerican.ca - urges single Canadians to offer themselves as spouses to disillusioned Americans, thereby easing all those visa headaches.

The site begs readers to "rescue a progressive American from four more years of George W Bush".

A joke perhaps, but Ian Mitroff, 66, a professor at the University of Southern California, is deadly serious about considering whether to head north. But he's not ready just yet, he says.

"I'm in an immense quandary about what to do," says Mr Mitroff. "Another pointless war would make me go or if gay bashing and bashing of liberals gets so serious that tolerance is broken down, you would feel in fear of your safety.

"I love my country and am proud to be an American, but I don't think I have ever been as down about this country as I am now."

Tracking inquiries

He says a friend at a university in Canada anticipates there being a flood of applications from US professors.

George Bush: Uniting or dividing the country? Lawyer Peggy Bowen, 57, from Santa Fe, New Mexico, is planning to head in the other direction - south. Although she had always wanted to retire in Mexico, she says Mr Bush's second term may hasten that departure. She views her options in remarkably stark terms.

"Freud stayed in Vienna until Hitler had completely taken over the country, but I don't want to be wrong about when it's time to leave. My fear is that I won't know when to get out."

The indicators are subtle and not altogether clear. The British embassy in Washington says there has been no increase in inquiries from Americans wanting to up sticks and cross the Atlantic. But at the US website Living Abroad, which links up American ex-pats, "past, present and future" staff have noticed an increase in traffic visiting the site in the days after the election.

"People are linking to the site and then clicking on one of the ads from Google for studying or retiring overseas," says website editor Ruth Halcomb.

"At our local hospital, nurses are saying 'where can we go'? I think it has everything to do with the election."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bush; election; eu; usa
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Oh great! Like we haven't got enough whiney a$$ed liberals over here! Does anyone think we could do a swap? I'll become a proud US citizen, and he can become a subject and enjoy being taxed to death for the NHS.
1 posted on 11/08/2004 8:42:40 AM PST by AngloSaxon
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To: AngloSaxon

We need you to stay there so we have some allies we can count on.


2 posted on 11/08/2004 8:45:46 AM PST by cripplecreek (Greetings from Militiagan.)
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To: AngloSaxon

--go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!
-- Samuel Adams in Philadepha, August 1, 1776


3 posted on 11/08/2004 8:46:04 AM PST by Lexington Green (Patriotism is a moral value.)
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To: AngloSaxon

we should do a swap we can switch Tories with Liberals in the US would be awesome


4 posted on 11/08/2004 8:46:06 AM PST by DM1
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To: AngloSaxon
"I'll probably be in England, no Ireland," said Redford.

Smart move. They love partial birth abortion and gay marriage there.

5 posted on 11/08/2004 8:47:09 AM PST by Question Liberal Authority (THANK YOU, FREEPERS for re-electing President George W. Bush!)
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To: AngloSaxon

Made the same point yesterday.

If we take on the DUmmies we should at least get Green cards for all conservatives who wants to leave these mushy shores...

;-)


6 posted on 11/08/2004 8:47:45 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack MachineDo)
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To: AngloSaxon

AngloSaxon,

We can start by giving you an honorary citizenship from FreeRepublic.

Your next step will involve a weekend in Nogales, Mexico, a short trip across the border, and them (for good form), picking lettuce for six months.

At that point, you will travel to the Texas DNC headquarters and present yourself as a Democrat seeking citizenship in the United States. You will be issued a social security number.

You are now a U.S. citizen.


7 posted on 11/08/2004 8:48:42 AM PST by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: AngloSaxon
A joke perhaps, but Ian Mitroff, 66, a professor at the University of Southern California, is deadly serious about considering whether to head north. But he's not ready just yet, he says.

"I'm in an immense quandary about what to do," says Mr Mitroff. "Another pointless war would make me go or if gay bashing and bashing of liberals gets so serious that tolerance is broken down, you would feel in fear of your safety.

"I love my country and am proud to be an American, but I don't think I have ever been as down about this country as I am now."

Did you ever see the Bugs Bunny cartoon where he saws off FL and lets it float away?? Could we do that to the Southern half of CA???

8 posted on 11/08/2004 8:49:06 AM PST by No_More_Harkin
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To: AngloSaxon

We're still waiting for Alec Baldwin and Streisand to leave, from the 2000 election.


9 posted on 11/08/2004 8:49:36 AM PST by expatpat
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To: AngloSaxon
"I think it'll probably start with gay people and Muslim Americans, those likely to be the scapegoats. Something is rotten here. I'm just smelling it earlier than some other people."

This guy needs to check his pants.

10 posted on 11/08/2004 8:52:04 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: DM1

Better screen the tories we let in. Since Thatcher retired, alot have turned into TINOS; limp wristed, semi socialist, pansies.


11 posted on 11/08/2004 8:52:14 AM PST by pissant
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To: AngloSaxon

No, not a trade. Let's just give them their
unconditional release!!!! No undisclosed amnt
of cash and no players to be named later!
No draft choices either!

MV


12 posted on 11/08/2004 8:53:23 AM PST by madvlad ((Born in the south, raised around the globe and STILL republican))
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To: AngloSaxon
"George Bush: Uniting or dividing the country? Lawyer Peggy Bowen, 57, from Santa Fe, New Mexico, is planning to head in the other direction - south. Although she had always wanted to retire in Mexico, she says Mr Bush's second term may hasten that departure.

Hey...Peggy is a "TWOFER"!

When she leaves, we will have gotten rid of a lawyer AND a DemocRAT!

13 posted on 11/08/2004 8:54:21 AM PST by albee (Those who desire peace should prepare for war.)
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To: pissant

Oh man Thatcher. What a woman! Best thing to happen to the UK since Churchill. Granted towards the end she did a few uncool things but overall a great conservative. God Bless her


14 posted on 11/08/2004 8:54:24 AM PST by DM1
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To: AngloSaxon
"Freud stayed in Vienna until Hitler had completely taken over the country, but I don't want to be wrong about when it's time to leave. My fear is that I won't know when to get out."

Chalk another one up for idiots comparing BUSH to Hitler...

15 posted on 11/08/2004 8:54:54 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: AngloSaxon

Wait until Redford gets his first tax bill. Heh heh heh heh.


16 posted on 11/08/2004 8:55:17 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: AngloSaxon

"I think it'll probably start with gay people and Muslim Americans, those likely to be the scapegoats. Something is rotten here. I'm just smelling it earlier than some other people."

Where will they go? The Netherlands? They are blowing up Muslim schools. This is the safest country in the world for everyone right now.


17 posted on 11/08/2004 8:55:18 AM PST by Sertorius (A hayseed with no greek and dam^ proud of it)
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To: AngloSaxon

How dare we question their patriotism.


18 posted on 11/08/2004 8:56:39 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: AngloSaxon
Student Brian Boyko has lost faith in America Brian Boyko, a 25-year-old postgraduate journalism student, says he is serious about moving to Britain in light of Wednesday's result.

Please leave and don't ever return. Same rule applies to the three in the linked thread below:

Trent's 70-year-old mother, Mickey Trent, was despondent. She suggested the three relocate to Costa Rica immediately -- she had even researched the move.

Anti-Bush Voters Pledge to Turn Disappointment Into Action

19 posted on 11/08/2004 8:56:39 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (****We won - - - you lost - - - - GET OVER IT!!****)
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To: AngloSaxon

I wonder if any of these "patriots" wanting to flee the U.S. are secretly hoping there will be a massive plea for them to stay? Honestly, on some level are they hoping for a reaction like, "Okay, okay. Please don't go. If you promise to stay, we'll ignore the election and do things your way." Gag.


20 posted on 11/08/2004 8:57:02 AM PST by KJC1
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To: AngloSaxon

And in other GOOD NEWS: Liberals want to leave the U.S.!


21 posted on 11/08/2004 8:57:05 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: Happygal
"I'll probably be in England, no Ireland," said Redford. Visiting or living asked the BBC reporter? "Living," replied the Oscar-winning actor.

First St. Patrick drives all the snakes out of Ireland, now atleast one of them wants to come back.

22 posted on 11/08/2004 8:57:08 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Don't blame me, I volunteered for Toomey)
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To: expatpat

Has anyone heard from those two lately?


23 posted on 11/08/2004 8:59:42 AM PST by ladylib
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To: AngloSaxon

Maybe before they leave they ought to talk to other celebrities who are from England and/or Canada that have made their homes here. Michael J Fox comes to mind...Jim Carey...lib newscasters, various rock stars, etc. If its so bad here, why do they all end up staying?


24 posted on 11/08/2004 9:00:38 AM PST by donnab
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To: AngloSaxon
Boyko, a 25-year-old postgraduate journalism student

Says it all. There are 40 J-school graduates for every job opening. What does he think he is qualified to do in the UK, given that the only thing he's likely to be qualified to do in the US is push a cab?

25 posted on 11/08/2004 9:01:35 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS", Fake But Accurate, Experts Say)
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To: MizSterious

Redford should sell his Sundance ski area to someone who does not have complete disdain for the citizens of Utah and the US in general.


26 posted on 11/08/2004 9:01:44 AM PST by pissant
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To: AngloSaxon
For the life of me, I can't understand why these liberals think that their threatening to leave the country would scare anyone.

It seems to me that all they're saying is, "Oh, I feel so bad I think I'll totally withdraw from society."

To which we reply, "Ha! I guess we really kicked your asses good!"

27 posted on 11/08/2004 9:01:59 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: dubyaismypresident

St. Patrick cringed the first time the Clinton's came to visit!


28 posted on 11/08/2004 9:02:10 AM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: AngloSaxon
Why aren't any of these people heading for the moslem paradises they apologize for? I mean, the Saudis's associations with Bush haven't prevented Farrakhan or Jermaine Jackson from paying them homage.

There's something deliciously ironic in someone championing "gays" and moslems simultaneously. At least it's a break from championing "gays" and the Fundamentalist Black church (or attacking "creationists" while doing so).

29 posted on 11/08/2004 9:03:46 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Never call yourself on the phone . . . you might answer!)
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To: Happygal

Cowards. Rather than fight for what they believe in, like we have, they just want to run.


30 posted on 11/08/2004 9:07:41 AM PST by MachineMan
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To: Happygal

Redford is such an idiot why would he want to move to a Catholic country will relatively low taxes? He should move to Holland.


31 posted on 11/08/2004 9:07:43 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Don't blame me, I volunteered for Toomey)
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To: frog_jerk_2004
"Freud stayed in Vienna until Hitler had completely taken over the country, but I don't want to be wrong about when it's time to leave. My fear is that I won't know when to get out."

Chalk another one up for idiots comparing BUSH to Hitler...

Meanwhile, they see Yasser Arafat (mach shemo!) as a "freedom fighter."

32 posted on 11/08/2004 9:08:31 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Never call yourself on the phone . . . you might answer!)
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To: dubyaismypresident

Maybe he's hoping someone will pay a million dollars to sleep with him...

...no wait a minute, I think I have my movie plots mixed up! ;-)


33 posted on 11/08/2004 9:09:37 AM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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"I think it'll probably start with gay people and Muslim Americans
Oh, that would be so sad! Such a shame!

The gays all leaving, you say?

And taking the Muslims with them?

Oh gee. Oh boy. I can't contain my ... sadness ... at the thought ...

34 posted on 11/08/2004 9:16:14 AM PST by samtheman (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Happygal
Fun French bashing thread here.
35 posted on 11/08/2004 9:17:20 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Don't blame me, I volunteered for Toomey)
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To: AngloSaxon
Hollywood veteran Robert Redford was asked what he would do were George W Bush to be reinstalled in the White House for four more years. "I'll probably be in England, no Ireland," said Redford.

Notice the switch from England to Ireland? England has a very high tax rate. If my memory is correct, Ireland has none. Guess that proves redford's hypocricy about the rich should pay more in taxes.

36 posted on 11/08/2004 9:22:51 AM PST by Trepz
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To: AngloSaxon

I'll gladly trade Redford for Blair.


37 posted on 11/08/2004 9:23:05 AM PST by BushisTheMan
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To: No_More_Harkin

Right BELOW the Ventura County line...k?


38 posted on 11/08/2004 9:26:31 AM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi. Flush Fluffy and Stuffy.)
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To: AngloSaxon
"Student Brian Boyko has lost faith in America Brian Boyko, a 25-year-old postgraduate journalism student, says he is serious about moving to Britain"

Hey Brian....the Guardian has an opening for another liberal, send your resume.
39 posted on 11/08/2004 9:31:52 AM PST by Ginifer
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To: frog_jerk_2004

roflmao, coffee on the monitor


40 posted on 11/08/2004 9:33:22 AM PST by eyespysomething (5 days out, and the Dems still don't get it.)
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To: AngloSaxon

You notice they never go to live in Iran, North Korea or Cuba...


41 posted on 11/08/2004 9:34:45 AM PST by tophat9000
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To: tophat9000

I think some philantrophic organization ought to offer to pay these people to move. IF they renounce their American citizenship before they leave.


42 posted on 11/08/2004 9:38:48 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Death to traitors)
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To: Trepz
England has a very high tax rate. If my memory is correct, Ireland has none.

I wish!!! *LOL*

There are two tax bands in Ireland 20% and 40%. The majority of workers would be on the higher rate.

43 posted on 11/08/2004 9:44:09 AM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: AngloSaxon


as long as they shower once they get here.


44 posted on 11/08/2004 9:48:17 AM PST by golfboy (character is doing what is right, when no one is looking)
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To: Happygal

I stand corrected. I thought I had read somewhere that there was no income tax in Ireland. Goes to show that you can't always trust what you read.

Would I not be correct in assuming that the taxes in England would be significantly higher?


45 posted on 11/08/2004 9:48:47 AM PST by Trepz
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To: AngloSaxon
There should be an April 2005 I.R.S. AUDIT waiting for everyone of these stinking scoundrels who has the nerve to grant interviews, give their real name, piss on the USA and publicly whine and threaten to leave.

Leave? Fine. Go right ahead. But not before your nice little pre-departure IRS Audit, and full information on where you intend to reside so you can continue to be charged for your federal taxes, even if living overseas (in fact, I would argue for a federal income tax SURCHARGE for these people while they are overseas.

46 posted on 11/08/2004 9:55:10 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Troops! Repudiation and Silencing of Senator Specter is our remaining "Electoral Vote" outstanding.)
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To: Trepz

As far as I know their basic rate is a little higher than ours, at 22%. I think their top rate is the same.


47 posted on 11/08/2004 9:56:38 AM PST by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Better yet, they should be called "pussies" and challenged, and told to go for the whole enchilada.

That is, upon landing in the country they have chosen, to go the US Embassy Consular section, and DENOUNCE THEIR US CITIZENSHIP.

More votes in the Red States. Less in the Blue! Fantastic. No argument here.

48 posted on 11/08/2004 9:58:58 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Troops! Repudiation and Silencing of Senator Specter is our remaining "Electoral Vote" outstanding.)
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To: AngloSaxon
Mr Boyko, who actually voted for Mr Bush in 2000

BS! Should ask this lying SOS what he found appealing to Dubya in 2000 that turned him against him in 2004.

On Rush this guy would be referred to as a seminar caller.

Hello. I am a life-long Republican, arch-conservative, Christian fundamentalist, I voted for Bush in 2000. I usually agree with 99.8% of what you have to say. But now I am voting Democrat.

49 posted on 11/08/2004 10:02:29 AM PST by N. Theknow (DU, Michael Moore, Hollywood, etc. are all dogcrap on the Shoe Of Life)
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"Another pointless war would make me go or if gay bashing and bashing of liberals gets so serious that tolerance is broken down, you would feel in fear of your safety"

We have to up the liberal bashing!

With all the rightwing bashing I've endured for years, I never once felt any kind of fear.

50 posted on 11/08/2004 10:32:28 AM PST by monkeywrench
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