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Muslim community protests woman's arrest (Greensboro, NC)
News 14 Carolina ^ | 11/8/2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 11/08/2004 10:23:21 AM PST by mykdsmom

(GREENSBORO) - Greensboro's Muslim community wants an apology from a police officer who they say broke the shoulder of a 68-year-old Egyptian-American woman.

Afaf Saudi, who's accused of resisting police officers and assaulting an employee of a Wal-Mart store on Saturday, also suffered a broken rib, a mild heart attack and cuts and bruises on her wrists. She remains in Moses Cone Hospital awaiting shoulder surgery.

Wajeh Muhammad, treasurer of the Islamic Center of the Triad, wants the city to pay for the woman's medical bills and for the officer responsible to issue an apology in a language she can understand. Saudi, a naturalized citizen who has lived in America for 12 years, doesn't speak English.

A police department spokesman says initial reports show the officer did nothing improper.

Meanwhile, Saudi's son says his mother is afraid to eat hospital food because she's worried she'll be poisoned.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: assalt; greensboro; immigrants; islam; muslim; muslimamericans; muslimwomen; nc
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Oh where to even begin on this? Have at it.
1 posted on 11/08/2004 10:23:23 AM PST by mykdsmom
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To: Constitution Day

Psst!


2 posted on 11/08/2004 10:23:54 AM PST by mykdsmom
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To: mykdsmom

They will stiff the hospital after all it is named for a Jew.


3 posted on 11/08/2004 10:25:03 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: mykdsmom
She likes this country so much that after being here for 12 years she doesn't even speak the language.
4 posted on 11/08/2004 10:25:39 AM PST by Shannon
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To: mykdsmom
his mother is afraid to eat hospital food because she's worried she'll be poisoned

They really don't understand the US do they.

5 posted on 11/08/2004 10:25:43 AM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: mykdsmom

Has she been charged with assault?


6 posted on 11/08/2004 10:26:19 AM PST by Mamzelle (Nov 3--Psalm One...Blessed is the man...!)
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To: mykdsmom

Now there are two sides to every story, but in this case I'll just tell her to STFU and try to behave next time. Also, learn english while you are at it.


7 posted on 11/08/2004 10:26:25 AM PST by leadpencil1 (Miserable failure defeats libs. What does that make the libs?)
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To: mykdsmom
Beating women? She should have felt like she was in a muslim country...
8 posted on 11/08/2004 10:26:50 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: mykdsmom
Saudi, a naturalized citizen who has lived in America for 12 years, doesn't speak English.

How the heck did she become a citizen!? My dad has been a naturalized citizen for 23 years, and he had to learn English. Did the Muslims have her locked away in her house or something?

9 posted on 11/08/2004 10:27:11 AM PST by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: farmfriend

No they don't. But maybe if she'd bothered to learn our language she just might understand things a little better. No sympathy for this woman.


10 posted on 11/08/2004 10:27:16 AM PST by Shannon
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To: mykdsmom

The enemy within.


11 posted on 11/08/2004 10:27:45 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY ((((Beware the Trojan Horse of "Moderate Islam"))))
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To: mykdsmom

There is also the issue of her being touched by a male not of her family.

Oh boy...12 years here and no English at all. As for the food, well....if it is Sodexho--it may very well be dangerous ;)


12 posted on 11/08/2004 10:27:47 AM PST by najida (Liberals: Clueless, arrogant, elitist snobs.... Their mama's didn't raise'em right.)
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To: mykdsmom

Lord have mercy. Ping en route.


13 posted on 11/08/2004 10:27:51 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: mykdsmom
Saudi, a naturalized citizen who has lived in America for 12 years, doesn't speak English.

Wonderful. What an asset to these United States.

Well at least she's a young and productive member of our economy.

14 posted on 11/08/2004 10:27:55 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: mykdsmom

12 years, hasn't learned English, thinks hospital food will be poisoned...............do we REALLY need to have people like this be here??


15 posted on 11/08/2004 10:28:08 AM PST by EggsAckley (..........nobody knows how to lose a game like the Niners............)
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To: TaxRelief; Helms; 100%FEDUP; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; ~Vor~; A2J; a4drvr; Adder; Aegedius; ...

NC *Ping*

Please FRmail Constitution Day, TaxRelief OR Helms if you want to be added to or removed from this North Carolina ping list.
16 posted on 11/08/2004 10:28:15 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: mykdsmom

She is free to return to egypt one she has had her day in court.


17 posted on 11/08/2004 10:29:11 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: mykdsmom
and for the officer responsible to issue an apology in a language she can understand.

She's been here 12 years and can't speak English?

18 posted on 11/08/2004 10:30:58 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: leadpencil1

Test her for mental disorder. Then, for Homeland security reasons, either move her to the straight jacket wing or expel her fat butt from the country.


19 posted on 11/08/2004 10:31:12 AM PST by TET1968
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To: mykdsmom

More evidence that multiculturalism is compatible with human nature.


20 posted on 11/08/2004 10:31:20 AM PST by eagle11 (Western peoples are finally seeing the threat for what it is.)
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To: mykdsmom

"Oh where to even begin on this?"

LMAO, I'm with you, soooooooooooooo many comments, sooooo little time!


21 posted on 11/08/2004 10:31:26 AM PST by rockabyebaby (What goes around, comes around!)
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To: leadpencil1
I know most of the Greensboro PD! I know all the Captains, and the new Chief. The GPD rocks! My brother was one of these wonderful guys until his tragic death in 2001!

These guys have to deal with a lot of misguided lawsuits. It is ashame when law enforcement officers have to walk on egg shells!

22 posted on 11/08/2004 10:31:33 AM PST by Repub4bush (Hey DU.......All your votes were "ROVED"!!!!!!!!! Hannitizing to Follow!!!!!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

One of the most prominent Jewish families in Greensboro; you couldn't find a more wonderful group of people.


23 posted on 11/08/2004 10:31:50 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: mykdsmom
Wonder why she assulted the W-mart employee?
Shoplifting?
Tried to defraud the store and got called out by a manager?
24 posted on 11/08/2004 10:33:45 AM PST by cavtrooper21 (Long Distance..... Even better than being there!)
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To: mykdsmom

Lived here for 12 years and doesn't speak English plus she resisted arrest and assaulted a Wal-Mart employee? Sheesh! Deport the idiot back to Egypt.


25 posted on 11/08/2004 10:33:52 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: mykdsmom

> Moses Cone Hospital ...

"Moses Cone?" Is this some sorta euphemism?


27 posted on 11/08/2004 10:36:08 AM PST by orionblamblam
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To: mykdsmom; All
Looks like the AP article didn't mention a few items that were reported in the local Greensboro, NC article:

Saudi's family and police officers agree only on this much: About 3 p.m. Saturday, Saudi was in the checkout line at Wal-Mart.

Police say she became irate and refused to leave the store, as Wal-Mart employees demanded. Saudi's arrest report says she kicked an assistant manager in the chest. Gunn said Saudi also resisted Neal's attempt to remove her from the floor.

"She was dead weight," he said. "She fell on the floor."

Saudi was charged with resisting police officers, assaulting a Wal-Mart employee and refusing to leave the store. Her court hearing is set for 8:30 a.m. on Dec. 6.

Helmi said his mother tells a different story: While shopping, she forgot where she left her shopping cart and pocketbook. She eventually found them and headed for the checkout line, then discovered $150 missing from her purse.

She told Helmi she was embarrassed and confused -- unable to pay her bill or even tell the clerk why she was upset. She claims people began laughing, which upset her more.

28 posted on 11/08/2004 10:36:52 AM PST by all4one (My thoughts and prayers are with our soldiers in Falluja today)
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To: cavtrooper21
More information found here.
29 posted on 11/08/2004 10:36:56 AM PST by mykdsmom
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To: farmfriend

I've had hospital food and I thought it was poison!


30 posted on 11/08/2004 10:39:05 AM PST by montomike (Gay means happy and carefree not an abomination)
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To: mykdsmom

Article from Durham Herald-Sun:



Greensboro Muslim leaders demand apology after woman's arrest

The Associated Press
November 8, 2004 9:45 am

GREENSBORO, N.C. -- Local Muslim leaders have demanded an apology for an Egyptian-American woman who suffered a broken shoulder and a mild heart attack when she was arrested at a Wal-Mart.

Afaf Saudi, 68, a naturalized U.S. citizen who has lived in America for 12 years, was charged over the weekend with resisting police officers and assaulting a store employee.

She suffered a broken shoulder and rib, a mild heart attack and cuts and bruises on her wrists, the News & Record of Greensboro reported Monday. She was in Moses Cone Hospital on Sunday awaiting surgery. A hospital spokesman couldn't immediately give a condition update Monday.

Wajeh Muhammad, treasurer of the Islamic Center of the Triad, wants the city to pay for her medical bills and the officer responsible to issue an apology.

"We're not going to let something like this go away," he said. "This is not what the Greensboro Police Department stands for."

Guilford County's Muslim community was estimated at 3,600 in 2002.

Initial reports show the officer did nothing improper, said Sgt. J.P. Gunn, a department spokesman. He said the department will investigate, as in all cases in which suspects are injured. The officer, R.R. Neal Jr., remains assigned to his regular duties, Gunn said.

The arrest comes during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

Saudi was in the checkout line at Wal-Mart on Saturday afternoon when, police say, she became irate and refused store employees' request that she leave.

The arrest report said she kicked an assistant manager in the chest. Gunn said Saudi also resisted Neal's attempt to remove her from the floor.

"She was dead weight," he said. "She fell on the floor."

Saudi was charged with resisting police officers, assaulting an employee and refusing to leave the store. Her court hearing is set for 8:30 a.m. on Dec. 6.

Saudi's son, Sam Helmi of Greensboro, said his mother told him she was shopping when she forgot where she left her shopping cart and pocketbook. She eventually found them and headed for the checkout line, then discovered $150 missing from her purse, Helmi said.

She told Helmi she was embarrassed and confused -- unable to pay her bill or even tell the clerk why she was upset. She alleges that people began laughing, which upset her more.

Saudi said she fell when the officer tried to remove her from the store. They dragged her to the police cruiser, injuring her handcuffed wrists, she told family members.

"I'm not the person to shout and do crazy things," said Helmi, who has lived in the region for 24 years. "But I am burning inside."




URL for this article: http://www.heraldsun.com/state/6-541714.html


31 posted on 11/08/2004 10:39:20 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: mykdsmom

STFU, dirtbags.


32 posted on 11/08/2004 10:40:33 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( veni vidi vino visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: mykdsmom
Look at page 26 of A Guide to Naturalization at the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services. (www.uscis.gov)

It's a big download so I'll quote ... According to the law, applicants must demonstrate an understanding of the English language, including an ability to read, write, and speak...simple words and phrases...in ordinary usage in the English language....

I feel bad for the lady's pain. But all this could have been avoided if only we had an immigration service that enforced the rules. By not keeping to the law, we have brought this situation (and numerous others, I fear) on our own heads.

For that we must pay a penalty -- in my opinion it is only fair that we pay for her hospital stay and comfortable transportation back to Egypt. She is welcome place herself back in the naturalization queue a second time if she so desires.

We'll charge the expense to the USCIS and direct them to do a better job in the future. Sound good?
33 posted on 11/08/2004 10:42:30 AM PST by so_real (It's all about sharing the Weather)
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To: montomike
I've had hospital food and I thought it was poison!

This is true but is amazing how good that jello tastes when you have not been allowed liquids.

34 posted on 11/08/2004 10:42:31 AM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: all4one

If she doesn't speak English, how can she shop by herself, check out, make change...did she also drive by herself to Wal-Mart??


35 posted on 11/08/2004 10:43:18 AM PST by Ecliptic (Keep looking to the sky)
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To: Constitution Day

I'm still trying to visualize how she was able to kick the store manager IN THE CHEST. Muslim Rockette? LOL


36 posted on 11/08/2004 10:45:13 AM PST by Carolinamom (I was hot on Rove before it was cool to be hot.)
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To: all4one
She eventually found them and headed for the checkout line, then discovered $150 missing from her purse.

Sounds like a muslim version of an Irish Traveler scam.

Video surveillance tapes should be able to prove or disprove this claim.

37 posted on 11/08/2004 10:46:03 AM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: Ecliptic

My thoughts exactly! And then kicking a store employee in the chest!!! What a despicable animal....she doesn't sound so frail to me!

Here is the scenario that I picture. A store employee was questioning what the big buldges were under her caftan/burqua outfit. She was caught shoplifting or some other nonsense...lost her purse and $150.00...what a crock! How does she know monetary denominations....here 12 years and No English.


38 posted on 11/08/2004 10:48:33 AM PST by all4one (My thoughts and prayers are with our soldiers in Falluja today)
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To: mykdsmom
a naturalized citizen who has lived in America for 12 years, doesn't speak English

Learn how to speak English or go home.

39 posted on 11/08/2004 10:49:31 AM PST by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: mykdsmom

Talking to my brother now (retired GPD), he knows both Officers involved. She was arrested for resisting arrest, assaulting a Walmart employee, and tresspassing.

He says she kicked the asst. store manager in the chest.

A 68 year old "lady"??????


40 posted on 11/08/2004 10:51:43 AM PST by clyde260 (Public Enemy #1: Network News!)
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To: Ecliptic
At first glance, it looks like a scam.

Been here 12 years and has made no attempt to learn English?

41 posted on 11/08/2004 10:51:44 AM PST by pubmom (Suffering from DITS (Democrat induced tourette's syndrome)since 1992.)
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To: Nov3
Learn how to speak English or go home.

Too late...you had 12 years to learn English...go home...and try kicking a store clerk in the chest in Egypt and see what they do to your frail 68 year old arse!

42 posted on 11/08/2004 10:51:56 AM PST by all4one (My thoughts and prayers are with our soldiers in Falluja today)
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To: clyde260

And both Officers are still on regular duty.


43 posted on 11/08/2004 10:52:53 AM PST by clyde260 (Public Enemy #1: Network News!)
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To: mykdsmom
...an apology in a language she can understand

As a Muslim woman, she should have understood the language of a good ass kicking.

44 posted on 11/08/2004 10:52:58 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: mykdsmom
.... issue an apology in a language she can understand.

Apology "Sorry you can't understand English, you piece of muslim crap. Now get the hell out of this country!"

45 posted on 11/08/2004 10:54:15 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Mr. Lucky

LOL


46 posted on 11/08/2004 10:54:18 AM PST by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: clyde260
That's no lady. That's an Islamofascist.

They'd better watch this idiot. She may wire a grandson with explosives.

47 posted on 11/08/2004 10:55:43 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: mykdsmom
Meanwhile, Saudi's son says his mother is afraid to eat hospital food because she's worried she'll be poisoned.

We have freaks like this inside the United States? Good Lord.

Anyway, in the grand Muslim tradition, somebody should be stoned. Saudi can be stoned. Or her son can be stoned. Or maybe they can stone each other.

And if stoning doesn't work, hack off a hand or put out an eye, as they do in the Arab countries. Praise Allah!

48 posted on 11/08/2004 10:56:59 AM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular-vote victory in history, and first popular-vote majority in 16 years!)
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To: mykdsmom

I would offer her some delicous pork sandwiches.... During the surgery, they should sew her up with a couple hotdogs inside her. Mmmmm..... hotdogs..... drool....


49 posted on 11/08/2004 11:01:32 AM PST by CitadelArmyJag ("Tolerance is the virtue of the man with no convictions" G. K. Chesterton)
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To: mykdsmom

See comment 24: AND the rest of her family...


50 posted on 11/08/2004 11:02:37 AM PST by Conservative Canuck (So Glad Bush Won!!!)
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