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The Myth Behind "Separation of Church and State"
Liberty Counsel ^ | 2000 | Mathew D. Staver

Posted on 11/08/2004 11:59:43 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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To: DocRock; FrankWoods
You've been watching too. :)

I don't mind agendas but this is a grassroots website for conservatives. Sounds like Frank joined just to argue and not debate. He certainly doesn't sound conservative. Quite the opposite.

51 posted on 07/07/2006 7:14:07 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I appreciate your post post number 32. I have direct ancectors that were born in the late 1500's that were buried in Jamestown which left England to live in a truly free Christian nation. The first sentence of the Mayflower Compact clearly states that the colonies were set up for the Advancement of the Christian Faith.

I used to point out that the first act of Congress on Sept. 11, 1777 approved the import of 20,000 copies of the Holy Bible, in response to the shortage caused by the Revolutionary War.

"The use of the Bible is so universal and its importance so great that your committee refers the above to the consideration of Congress, and if Congress shall not think it expedient to order the importation of types and paper, the Committee recommends that Congress will order the Committee of Commerce to import 20,000 Bibles from Holland, Scotland, or elsewhere, into the different parts of the States of the Union. Whereupon it was resolved accordingly to direct said Committee of Commerce to import 20,000 copies of the Bible." Link

Our Founding Fathers opened the first Congress in prayer and the first Congress approved importing or printing 20,000 Bibles and now, revisionist and activist judges tell us we cannot let children pray in school or read Bible stories. What a shame. Our first law regarding public education in this country was written to teach our children to read the Bible. It was called Ye Ol Deluder - Satan Law.

I am from Muhlenberg County Kentucky, which is named after Gen. Peter Muhlenberg, seen here in this statue inside the U.S. Capitol!

Click to see wikipedia.org info on Gen. Peter Muhlenberg

Peter Muhlenberg Statue
U.S. Capitol

"In January of 1776, Muhlenberg sent word for his congregation to gather for his farewell sermon. Ascending his familiar pulpit, he preached from Ecclesiastes 3:1-8. The sermon glowed throughout with devoted patriotism as the man of God told his people of his own resolve to fight and, if need be, to die for his country. He closed his message with these words: "In the language of holy writ, there is a time for all things, a time to preach and a time to pray, but the time for me to preach has passed away." Then in a voice that re-echoed through the church like a trumpet blast, he exclaimed, "And there is also a time to fight, and that time has now come." After pronouncing the benediction, Muhlenberg threw off his clerical gown and stood before his people in full military uniform. Stepping down the aisle, he ordered the drums at the door to beat for new recruits. The whole village gathered at the church to learn what strange event had turned a quiet church meeting into a scene of bustle and excitement."


Christians should be interested in winning souls for Christ but also preserving our heritage and the political environment that many of our forefathers fought and died for so that our religious institutions could flourish.
52 posted on 07/07/2006 7:29:32 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: DocRock

Some of my family came in 1738 on the St Andrew. I found 2 of their wills online. They talked about Jesus in their wills. It was beautiful to find a generational belief! They fought in the Revolution and a "cousin" was killed by Indians. I resent people who spit on their sacrifice and faith that built this country.


53 posted on 07/07/2006 7:41:00 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

*smile*


54 posted on 07/07/2006 7:43:14 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: CitadelArmyJag
What makes you think they respect the "original intent" of Jefferson any more than they respect that of the other Founding Fathers? Intellectually they are French secularists, who would like our national law regarding matters of religion to be like that of France.
59 posted on 07/08/2006 5:05:33 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

bookmark for later


61 posted on 07/08/2006 5:08:46 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Great post. Liberals do like to build 'walls' for their self protection and promotion. Those walls of Jericho come to mind.
62 posted on 07/08/2006 5:24:01 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Wanna watch a liberal cry. Show them these letters. The only two letters with anything to do with a "separation". The first is a letter from a Danbury minister to Jefferson, then Jefferson's reply. Basically the minister is concerned the new government is powerful enough to start making laws effecting religion. Jefferson says there is a separation, and the government cannot legislate on religious issues.


The address of the Danbury Baptists Association in the state of

Connecticut, assembled October 7, 1801. To Thomas Jefferson,

Esq., President of the United States of America.

Sir,

Among the many million in America and Europe who rejoice in your

election to office; we embrace the first opportunity which we

have enjoyed in our collective capacity, since your inauguration,

to express our great satisfaction, in your appointment to the

chief magistracy in the United States: And though our mode of

expression may be less courtly and pompous than what many others

clothe their addresses with, we beg you, sir, to believe that

none are more sincere.



Our sentiments are uniformly on the side of religious

liberty--that religion is at all times and places a matter

between God and individuals--that no man ought to suffer in name,

person, or effects on account of his religious opinions--that the

legitimate power of civil government extends no further than to

punish the man who works ill to his neighbors; But, sir, our

constitution of government is not specific. Our ancient charter

together with the law made coincident therewith, were adopted as

the basis of our government, at the time of our revolution; and

such had been our laws and usages, and such still are; that

religion is considered as the first object of legislation; and

therefore what religious privileges we enjoy (as a minor part of

the state) we enjoy as favors granted, and not as inalienable

rights; and these favors we receive at the expense of such

degrading acknowledgements as are inconsistent with the rights of

freemen. It is not to be wondered at therefore; if those who seek

after power and gain under the pretense of government and

religion should reproach their fellow men--should reproach their

order magistrate, as a enemy of religion, law, and good order,

because he will not, dare not, assume the prerogatives of Jehovah

and make laws to govern the kingdom of Christ.



Sir, we are sensible that the president of the United States is

not the national legislator, and also sensible that the national

government cannot destroy the laws of each state; but our hopes

are strong that the sentiments of our beloved president, which

have had such genial effect already, like the radiant beams of

the sun, will shine and prevail through all these states and all

the world, till hierarchy and tyranny be destroyed from the

earth. Sir, when we reflect on your past services, and see a glow

of philanthropy and good will shining forth in a course of more

than thirty years we have reason to believe that America's God

has raised you up to fill the chair of state out of that goodwill

which he bears to the millions which you preside over. May God

strengthen you for your arduous task which providence and the

voice of the people have called you to sustain and support you

enjoy administration against all the predetermined opposition of

those who wish to raise to wealth and importance on the poverty

and subjection of the people.



And may the Lord preserve you safe from every evil and bring you

at last to his heavenly kingdom through Jesus Christ our Glorious

Mediator.

Signed in behalf of the association, Nehemiah Dodge
Ephraim Robbins
Stephen S. Nelson



To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.
63 posted on 07/08/2006 5:38:50 AM PDT by Vision ("...cause those liberal freaks go to farrrrrr")
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To: FrankWoods
What is so conservative about government authority over the people's religion?

Nothing. And government control is what you are advocating. Atheists use the government to muzzle Christians in public.

64 posted on 07/08/2006 6:09:30 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Vision; FrankWoods
The only two letters with anything to do with a "separation". The first is a letter from a Danbury minister to Jefferson, then Jefferson's reply. Basically the minister is concerned the new government is powerful enough to start making laws effecting religion. Jefferson says there is a separation, and the government cannot legislate on religious issues.

Tell it to Frank and check his posts. He believes the opposite.

Let me also point out that this thread was 2 years old when Frank called it up to argue for atheism in public life.

65 posted on 07/08/2006 6:38:54 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

He can believe whatever he wants.


66 posted on 07/08/2006 6:41:45 AM PDT by Vision ("...cause those liberal freaks go to farrrrrr")
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To: Vision
He can believe whatever he wants.

Yup. And won't win a debate on FR backing atheism. :)

67 posted on 07/08/2006 6:44:57 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: valence

"This country was established upon the assumption that religion was essential to good government."

"I bet you are all for the first line but let me ask you, what if it was Islamic integration into our government?"

We are there now, just replace " Islamic" with "Godless".


70 posted on 07/08/2006 7:14:06 AM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: FrankWoods
The First Prayer in Congress

offered by Jacob Duche
September 7, 1774

O - Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech thee, on these our American States, who have fled to thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee, to Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give; take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved bands in the day of battle!

Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honroable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst The people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask In the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

Amen

Reverend Jacob Duche reached the oratorical pinnacle of patriotic preachers with this sermon delivered to the Continental Congress on July 20, 1775. Duche, an Anglican minister in Philadelphia, delivered this fervent plea for heavenly support of the American Revolutionaries when he was chaplain of the Continental Congress. Reverend Duche, who was the brother-in-law of noted composer and patriot Francis Hopkinson, later denounced General Washington and the patriotic cause before fleeing as a loyalist to England in 1777.

US History, Carpenters' Hall

On Wednesday, September 7, 1774, at the delegates' second session, the Reverend Jacob Duché offered the first prayer in Congress. Known for his patriotic fervor, Duché was rector of Christ Church, the city's largest Anglican congregation located just two blocks away at Second & Market Sts. His text was Psalm 35, which begins, "Plead thou my case, O Lord, with them that strive with me, and fight thou against them that fight against me." Poignant in its own right, the psalm spoke directly to the Congress which only the day before received news, later proved incorrect, of British troops firing on Boston civilians. Dr. Duché followed the psalm with ten minutes of spontaneous prayer asking God to support the American cause. One delegate said he was "worth riding 100 miles to hear."

71 posted on 07/08/2006 7:14:15 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

ping for later reading


72 posted on 07/08/2006 7:14:56 AM PDT by FarmerW (Run Al Run!)
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To: FrankWoods
Where is this going on, mi amigo querido?

Don't play dumb or coy, it's not cute. Atheists are using the ACLU to muzzle Christians and you (and everyone else) is aware of it.

73 posted on 07/08/2006 7:17:07 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: FrankWoods
What did I say to cause you to believe that I advocate government authority over religion?

By pushing the bogus separation of church and state.

74 posted on 07/08/2006 7:22:55 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: CitadelArmyJag
"Amen! Now convince the left of this fact and we are all set!"

When you're done convincing them, start on all the atheists that infest Free Republic.

I wonder how many members here are also members of the ACLU?

75 posted on 07/08/2006 7:29:51 AM PDT by trickyricky
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To: DocRock

Ping to 71 in response to 57.


76 posted on 07/08/2006 7:30:07 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: FrankWoods
Please give us what you believe is the most egregious example of this alleged practice that we might know exactly what you are talking about, mi amigo que hace declaraciones vagas.

Frank, I don't think this "tactic" is cute ok. Nor do I think your language skills are being used cleverly. Make a point and I'll respond.

79 posted on 07/08/2006 7:51:21 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: FrankWoods
Please give us what you believe is the most egregious example of this alleged practice that we might know exactly what you are talking about, mi amigo que hace declaraciones vagas.

Government censorship of a citizens speech while freely exercising religion is egregious.

Comprende?

80 posted on 07/08/2006 7:55:25 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: FrankWoods
I see you are no patriot. The exclusion of religion from the cognizance of the civil magistrate is one the fundamental principles of a republican form of government.

It's a simple concept. The FEDERAL government was not to establish a national church or favor any specific christian sect( Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion). People were to be allowed public expressions of their faith (or prohibiting the free exercise thereof). It's simple language that has been distorted.

81 posted on 07/08/2006 7:56:07 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I'm not sure how he would win an real argument anywhere. The evidence it plain and simple. It's only been through legal and media "interpretation" that we are where we are.
82 posted on 07/08/2006 7:56:27 AM PDT by Vision ("...cause those liberal freaks go to farrrrrr")
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To: Vision
I'm not sure how he would win an real argument anywhere. The evidence it plain and simple. It's only been through legal and media "interpretation" that we are where we are.

He uses an obsure treaty and a letter by Jefferson as do all who'd like to muzzle christians. They don't trump history or the First Amendment but he'll keep trying. lol

83 posted on 07/08/2006 7:59:18 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: FrankWoods
Atheist n
A person to be pitied in that he is unable to believe things for which there is no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of a convenient means of feeling superior to others.
Chaz Bufe, The American Heretics Dictionary
84 posted on 07/08/2006 8:03:35 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: arasina

An atheist is actually someone that uses the government in order not to be made to feel uncomfortable.


85 posted on 07/08/2006 8:09:32 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"In 1947 the Supreme Court popularized Thomas Jefferson's "wall of separation between church and state." (3) Taking the Jefferson metaphor..."

Glaring and amateurish mistake made by the author.

Jefferson was in fact quoting Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island:

To his credit, although Williams first called himself a Baptist, he later described himself as a "seeker," that is, a nondenominational Christian seeking spiritual truth, which is about as close to Unitarianism as one could come. And Roger Williams was the first to use the term later adopted by Thomas Jefferson in his letter to the Danbury Baptists: "wall of separation." Like Jefferson, Williams argued that such a separation benefited religion as well as government:

When they [the Church] have opened a gap in the hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world, God hath ever broke down the wall itself, removed the Candlestick, etc., and made His Garden a wilderness as it is this day. And that therefore if He will ever please to restore His garden and Paradise again, it must of necessity be walled in peculiarly unto Himself from the world, and all that be saved out of the world are to be transplanted out of the wilderness of the World.[6]
Roger Williams died at Providence between 16 January and 16 April 1683, still believing that good walls make good neighbors. -- Source

To attribute the metaphor to Jefferson is incorrect.

86 posted on 07/08/2006 8:13:01 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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BUMP


87 posted on 07/08/2006 8:15:21 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: DJ MacWoW
An atheist is actually someone that uses the government in order not to be made to feel uncomfortable.

True. :o)

I just like the AHD's definition since it reveals the true nature and how it's really all about human pride.

Good job, BTW.

88 posted on 07/08/2006 8:18:34 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: FrankWoods
I see you are no patriot. The exclusion of religion from the cognizance of the civil magistrate is one the fundamental principles of a republican form of government.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel04.html

Christianizing the Delawares In this resolution, Congress makes public lands available to a group for religious purposes. Responding to a plea from Bishop John Ettwein (1721-1802), Congress voted that 10,000 acres on the Muskingum River in the present state of Ohio "be set apart and the property thereof be vested in the Moravian Brethren . . . or a society of the said Brethren for civilizing the Indians and promoting Christianity." The Delaware Indians were the intended beneficiaries of this Congressional resolution.

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Aitken's Bible Endorsed by Congress The war with Britain cut off the supply of Bibles to the United States with the result that on Sept. 11, 1777, Congress instructed its Committee of Commerce to import 20,000 Bibles from "Scotland, Holland or elsewhere." On January 21, 1781, Philadelphia printer Robert Aitken (1734-1802) petitioned Congress to officially sanction a publication of the Old and New Testament which he was preparing at his own expense. Congress "highly approve the pious and laudable undertaking of Mr. Aitken, as subservient to the interest of religion . . . in this country, and . . . they recommend this edition of the bible to the inhabitants of the United States." This resolution was a result of Aitken's successful accomplishment

Aitken's Bible Aitken published Congress's recommendation of September 1782 and related documents (Item 115) as an imprimatur on the two pages following his title page. Aitken's Bible, published under Congressional patronage, was the first English language Bible published on the North American continent.

89 posted on 07/08/2006 8:22:28 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: arasina
I just like the AHD's definition since it reveals the true nature and how it's really all about human pride.

LOL!!

90 posted on 07/08/2006 8:24:36 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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No. I don't play games. Make a point and we'll discuss it.


92 posted on 07/08/2006 9:30:56 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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What does the Christianizing of the Delawares have to do with the Separation of Church and State? It was not done by the U. S. Government.

It was backed by the US government as they gave the lands to be used for that purpose.

"Congress voted that 10,000 acres on the Muskingum River in the present state of Ohio "be set apart and the property thereof be vested in the Moravian Brethren . . . or a society of the said Brethren for civilizing the Indians and promoting Christianity.""

Did you miss the Bible being endorsed by Congress?

94 posted on 07/08/2006 9:44:02 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Section 1841. The remaining part of the clause declares, that "no religious test shall ever be required, as a "qualification to any office or public trust, under the "United States." This clause is not introduced merely for the purpose of satisfying the scruples of many respectable persons, who feel an invincible repugnance to any religious test, or affirmation. It had a higher object; to cut off for ever every pretense of any alliance between church and state in the national government. The framers of the constitution were fully sensible of the dangers from this source, marked out in the history of other ages and countries; and not wholly unknown to our own. They knew, that bigotry was unceasingly vigilant in its stratagems, to secure to itself an exclusive ascendancy over the human mind; and that intolerance was ever ready to arm itself with all the terrors of the civil power to exterminate those, who doubted its dogmas, or resisted its infallibility. The Catholic and the Protestant had alternately waged the most ferocious and unrelenting warfare on each other; and Protestantism itself, at the very moment, that it was proclaiming the right Of private judgment, prescribed boundaries to that right, beyond which if any one dared to pass, he must seal his rashness with the blood of martyrdom the history of the Parent country, too, could not fail to instruct them in the uses, and the abuses of religious tests. They there found the pains and penalties of non-conformity written in no equivocal language, and enforced with a stern and vindictive jealousy.
99 posted on 08/28/2007 9:20:19 PM PDT by vanillagenocide
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In the national government perhaps, but not in those of the various states.


100 posted on 08/28/2007 9:28:23 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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