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Microsoft video game "a damning condemnation of the Bush Administration"
Republican Radio ^ | November 8, 2004 | Republican Radio™

Posted on 11/08/2004 2:01:36 PM PST by Republican Radio™

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To: ruiner

there should be an intergalactic test before violence can be allowed.(/s)


101 posted on 11/08/2004 3:11:34 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: CT CONSERVATIVE

$2000.00 is probably the maximum contribution directly to GWB.

Anything else would have to go through PACs or 527s.


102 posted on 11/08/2004 3:15:43 PM PST by billakay
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To: finnman69

lazy americans.

drive through banks.
drive through pharmacy
drive through food
drive by shooting.

too lazy to stand up.

(/s)


103 posted on 11/08/2004 3:15:51 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: All
Ask your teenage son if, based on what he knows from his friends, the movies and TV shows he watches, and the games he plays if the following is true (NOT BASED ON WHAT YOUR TEENAGER KNOWS FROM YOU THE PARENT--FROM WHAT YOUR TEENAGER DOES WHEN HE IS WITH THE PEOPLE HE SPENDS MOST OF HIS TIME WITH ON A DAILY BASIS):

1) Corporations care nothing about people and only about profit

2) No matter what, people cannot be "evil"--it's just a matter of perspective

3) Violence is never the solution

Answer these questions truthfully and you'll find the importance of this post. Please don't fool yourself by saying your kid spends more time with you than with his friends or alone... I was a teenager once and know that's a lie.

104 posted on 11/08/2004 3:16:18 PM PST by Republican Radio™ (Listen to Republican Radio every Sat. 1pm EST/10am PST http://www.republicanradio.com)
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To: All
And the Sheeple said,

Baaaaaahhhh, Shame on Microsoft for their bad behavior. Baaaaahhhh, I don't want to check out the facts and see if what is being said is true or not. Baaaahhhh, I just want to believe the negative and cry Shame, Shame."

105 posted on 11/08/2004 3:16:55 PM PST by Parthalan
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To: Republican Radio™

It's been done before. Countless RTS games had the player play both sides before completing the game. Some, like Starcraft had the player play 3 or more sides, each one with a different perspective of a conflict.


106 posted on 11/08/2004 3:21:04 PM PST by Melas
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To: metalcor
or would one have to be a member of the looney left to possibly arrive this interpretation?

That's the impression I get. It sounds as if the author expects players to reject the War on Terror just because they play a game that has as part of the plot, "not all foreigners are bad and should be killed, m'kay?".

It doesn't sound as if there's some sort of explicit anti-Bush mesage in the game.

108 posted on 11/08/2004 3:26:02 PM PST by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: lsee

Minor problem. He's not the creator of Halo. He's just one of the grunts on the project. It's like saying that you won't shop at a store because the accountant is a jerk.


109 posted on 11/08/2004 3:28:28 PM PST by Starter ("I miss you more than Michael Bay missed the mark when he made Pearl Harbor.")
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To: Tempest

Halo is a superweapon designed both to study the Flood and to destroy any 'food' in the Galaxy, to prevent it from spreading.

Guilty Spark: "This installation's blast has a maximum radius of 25,000 lightyears. But once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of sentient life. Or at least any of sufficient biomass to sustain the Flood."


110 posted on 11/08/2004 3:32:33 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (We want hard, tough, seasoned leaders who will methodically destroy the people who would kill us.)
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To: BoBToMatoE; All
Wanted to follow up and say whom ever[sic] wrote the article is plain wrong about the HALO story line.

To reiterate the facts:

If you are a fan of the original game, the writer of the sequel (who also wrote the original) is saying: "Forget what you know in Halo, the real story is my thinly veiled slap at Republicans."

111 posted on 11/08/2004 3:35:32 PM PST by Republican Radio™ (Listen to Republican Radio every Sat. 1pm EST/10am PST http://www.republicanradio.com)
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To: Republican Radio™

In Halo 2 Barbara Streisand turns up as the end-of-level baddie.


112 posted on 11/08/2004 3:38:08 PM PST by agere_contra (You are worthless ... Alec Baldwin ...)
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To: Starter
Minor problem. He's not the creator of Halo. He's just one of the grunts on the project. .

If that's the case, do you think if the company doesn't respond to his declarations about this game that they will have essentially endorsed this grunt's views?

113 posted on 11/08/2004 3:38:35 PM PST by lsee
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To: Bob J
For some ridiculous reason, I think the political undertones may be missed by the players.

Joe Staten: "[Kids] could look at it as a damning condemnation of the Bush Administration’s adventure in the Middle East."

Kids: "Wow, that blowed up REAL good!"

114 posted on 11/08/2004 3:48:01 PM PST by Dont Mention the War (How important a Senator can you be if Dick Cheney's never told you to "go [bleep] yourself"?)
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To: Republican Radio™
"You could look at it," Staten says of his Halo 2 storyline "as a damning condemnation of the Bush Administration’s adventure in the Middle East." Microsoft has taken a straightforward action game classic in the original Halo and decided to make a political statement with Halo 2.

It begs the question: Why would a gamer or the parent of a gamer pay $50 to play a game that will force the player to shoot hundreds of "bad aliens" for hours to advance in the game and then at the end of it admonish the player for shooting the bad aliens? "These aliens weren’t really ‘bad’—they were just misunderstood and we awful human beings had no business ever leaving our little corner of the universe.

It still sounds as if Micro$oft has to provide the narrative for this, to bring out the Kerry/Moore/bin Laden complaint about enforcing the UN resolutions.

It is surprising that guy who made billions in the US would support this. One could expect this of guilty trust-fund babies or actors looking to 'be relevant'. But Gates really did make the money by selling product. Maybe he made way too much, too easily. Or may he doesn't know about this game, and how it's being promoted.

115 posted on 11/08/2004 3:48:53 PM PST by sevry
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To: Republican Radio™

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.10/halo_pr.html

Joe Staten
Cinematics Director

"This is bull****!" barks Staten as he twitches in his chair. He isn't complaining about a bug in the code, he's reciting one of the 17,000 lines of dialog he wrote for Halo 2. (The script is 10 times longer than the first game's.) This particular outburst comes when a player's rocket launcher gets stolen by another player, who swaps it for a far wimpier weapon - a stunt you couldn't pull off in the original game.

Staten has a flair for the dramatic. He majored in theater and briefly did improv after college. But he also knows a thing or two about commando behavior. He got a master's in military history at the University of Chicago and signed on for a two-year recruitment program with the CIA. Staten mined this experience to add secret-agent-ese and authentic spook tactics to the game. As for his flirtation with the government underworld, it didn't last. "The CIA didn't think I was enough of a son of a *****," he says.


116 posted on 11/08/2004 3:49:24 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (We want hard, tough, seasoned leaders who will methodically destroy the people who would kill us.)
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To: Republican Radio™
Halo 2, according to Staten, will show the story from "both the humans and aliens" and makes militant Earthlings into the imperialist bad guys against the religious Covenant aliens who consider Halo as a religous relic. "You could look at it," Staten says of his Halo 2 storyline "as a damning condemnation of the Bush Administration’s adventure in the Middle East."

Sure...yeah... uh huh.
Listen, the reporter who has an OBVIOUS bias, found someone connected to the game, who ALSO has an obvious bias.

Now, if this reporter was to be a fair and UN-biased reporter, then WHY did he NOT have an opposing view regarding this game??? WHY did he present one 'game developer's' opinion. Is he insinuating that there is only ONE 'game developer'? Or MAYBE he is trying to act like there is only ONE developer who was 'important'?

A person can take ANY video game and put an 'anti-Bush/anti-American' theory on it. And the reverse is also true. It all depends on what the mindset is.

I think the MOST interesting question about this guy/Halo2/ and 'the message' is....how LONG will he continue to be employed by Microsoft, now that he has taken this slam stand?

117 posted on 11/08/2004 3:50:51 PM PST by mommadooo3
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To: Republican Radio™
If your kid is going to a Halo 2 release party tonight at midnight, be aware that your kid is going to a left-wing political rally...

Give me a frickin' break. Didn't you learn anything from backward masking, smurf and Harry Potter witchcraft, masters of the universe apostasy, what "kiss" stands for, and the hundred other urban legends propagated through pop culture?

The people you are trying to "expose" are laughing at you.

118 posted on 11/08/2004 3:53:01 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
"The people you are trying to 'expose' are laughing at you." Don't you know it's only a movie/song/game--kids aren't influenced by entertainment at all!

Gee, you're right! I'm all better now. Hey, by the way; there's a guy named Michael Moore that agrees with you and has an enteraining movie he'd like you to buy on DVD for $15. He's also got a movie coming out soon he'd like you to pay $10 to see in the movie theater.

119 posted on 11/08/2004 4:07:12 PM PST by Republican Radio™ (Listen to Republican Radio every Sat. 1pm EST/10am PST http://www.republicanradio.com)
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To: Republican Radio™
There is a huge difference between a game that the script writer says can be manipulated to look anti-Bush and Moores blatant and sole purpose in F/911.
120 posted on 11/08/2004 4:11:51 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (We want hard, tough, seasoned leaders who will methodically destroy the people who would kill us.)
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To: Republican Radio™

Well, in this particular case, you are waaaaay off the mark. Halo 2 has nothing - nothing to do with anything related to politics. It's a game. Period.

However, I'm betting that you are one of those types who is against video games in general, and are now finding some new tact for trying to get rid of them, right?

(I mean, hey, you get to reach to idiotic conclusions, so why can't we?)

;0)


121 posted on 11/08/2004 4:13:05 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks ("I get my own ammo, I have to pull the trigger myself, I have to wound myself. It's pretty amazing")
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Here comes Chad with an aggressive move straight up the middle.
122 posted on 11/08/2004 4:21:09 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (We want hard, tough, seasoned leaders who will methodically destroy the people who would kill us.)
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To: CyberCowboy777

LOL


123 posted on 11/08/2004 4:23:00 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks ("I get my own ammo, I have to pull the trigger myself, I have to wound myself. It's pretty amazing")
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To: CyberCowboy777

Hey! Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
A Freeper clan!
Now that could be some serious fun...


124 posted on 11/08/2004 4:30:11 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Republican Radio™
Halo, a huge ring-like world manufactured and abandoned millennia ago by a powerful race. Unfortunately, Halo is still inhabited and activating its immense power will bring forth...

Conceptually, this sounds like a ripoff of Larry Niven's "Ringworld" with added gratuitous violence (shoot up the BEM's). That's "bug eyed monsters" for all you non sci fi fans. The author of this game is a plagiarist as well as a raving lefty.

Regards,
GtG

PS But then, all art is derivative.

125 posted on 11/08/2004 4:33:10 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, but I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: papertyger
I am not on XBox live yet..... does it support clans?
126 posted on 11/08/2004 4:33:15 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (We want hard, tough, seasoned leaders who will methodically destroy the people who would kill us.)
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To: papertyger

FRclan, i'm IN.


127 posted on 11/08/2004 4:33:36 PM PST by 11Bush
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To: CyberCowboy777

I'm not live yet either. I still have to see if I can get the thing to work through my airport router. I'm willing to spend a bill or two, but that's it.

I believe I've read the xbox will support clans, but I'm not sure where I saw it.


128 posted on 11/08/2004 4:40:19 PM PST by papertyger
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To: 11Bush

Oh...we have GOT to make this happen! The only thing I can think that would be better than waxing stupid kids and geeks online is to do it with unapologetic Freepers!


129 posted on 11/08/2004 4:43:22 PM PST by papertyger
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To: mailbox1282000

Loosely based I`ve read.


131 posted on 11/08/2004 4:58:48 PM PST by tnfarmer (4 more yrs,yee ha.)
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To: jegoing

You going out tonight to get it?

(27)


132 posted on 11/08/2004 4:59:50 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (We want hard, tough, seasoned leaders who will methodically destroy the people who would kill us.)
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To: Republican Radio™

i believe Mr. Gates is a supporter of the President.


133 posted on 11/08/2004 5:01:01 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if a man lives long enough, he gets to see the same thing over and over.)
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To: killjoy

Then you sir need to buy a copy of Battlefield1942 and prepare yourself for an incredible multiplayer online experience.


134 posted on 11/08/2004 5:23:46 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: BoBToMatoE
from their website:
Q. What's orange and looks good on hippies?
A. Fire.

135 posted on 11/08/2004 5:27:46 PM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Diplomat
Then you sir need to buy a copy of Battlefield1942 and prepare yourself for an incredible multiplayer online experience.

I have played it before. It is cool. I used to be a big fan of the old Atomic Games stuff like Close Combat. Codename Panzers is the closest I have found to it. I can sit for hours playing the stupid thing. MOH Pacific Assault looks to be quite cool also. Need to check it out.

If you haven't played the Combat Mission series, they are some of the best games out there. They are a modern version of the old board war games. Combat Mission takes over where Advanced Squad Leader left off. Very good for the armchair general type.

136 posted on 11/08/2004 5:33:04 PM PST by killjoy (I'm John Kerry and I'm relieved of duty.)
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To: Republican Radio™
Hey guys,

Let me be really clear about this: there is no intentional political message in Halo2, anti-Bush or otherwise.

While I tried to be mindful of folks' sensitivities as I wrote its story, I knew that the game was going to scrutinized by a large, diverse audience, and would, therefore, be interpreted (or mis-interpreted, as the case may be) any number of different ways.

The EW journalist chose to include one of my examples of possible misinterpretation in the article, but not all of them. Most importantly, the journalist left out my closing statement: "Look, you can read anything into the story that you like - call a damning condemnation of the Bush Admnistration's adventure in the Middle-East, for example. But you'd be wrong."

In retrospect, It would have been best to give no example at all, but hindsight is 20-20.

Long story short: while we didn't water-down Halo2's story in an impossible effort to make it inoffensive to everyone, we were nonetheless careful not to do anything that would be patently offensive regardless of someone's perspective (e.g. reward people for injuring or killing the game's female characters, something most folks would agree is offensive, full-stop).

Halo2's story is non-partisan. Any meaning you ascribe to it is yours alone.

And remember, at the end of the day, whatever some journalist says I said really doesn't matter. The proof is in the pudding. Play the game, and I think you'll see it's just that: a fun game with a good story.

Thanks,
Joseph Staten

Director of Cinematics
Bungie Studios
137 posted on 11/08/2004 5:37:17 PM PST by bungiefella
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To: bungiefella
Thanks, Joseph Staten Director of Cinematics Bungie Studios --- The devs have spoken. Sorry fellow freepers, but I am in a bit of awe. I am a BIG Bungie fan and have followed them from PiD (we will see how many of you can figure what PiD is). This is incredible for them to visit here and answer this straight up. Gotta wonder how they caught wind of this article and I am _VERY_ glad that they decided to come here and answer the question. Thank you!
138 posted on 11/08/2004 6:44:50 PM PST by BoBToMatoE
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To: 11Bush

FRclan, i'm IN.

Dont play with me? a FRclan? Pwnage. We need to hook up when I pick up my copy tomorrow.


139 posted on 11/08/2004 6:47:18 PM PST by BoBToMatoE
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To: bungiefella

Thanks for clearing this up, Dude!


140 posted on 11/08/2004 7:04:00 PM PST by Chad Fairbanks ("I get my own ammo, I have to pull the trigger myself, I have to wound myself. It's pretty amazing")
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To: bungiefella; All
If "bungiefella" truly is Joe Staten, this is an incredible turn of events and a testament to the power of FreeRepublic to generate discourse.

Bungiefella/Staten is saying that:

Conspiratorial types will view the pronouncements of "bungiefella" at the 11th hour as an attempt to keep controversy from hurting a nascent product's bottom line. Anti-Microsoft types (of which there are many on FreeRepublic) will claim that Micro$oft is trying to force yet another failed ideology upon consumers.

I'd like find out what Mr. Keighley's side of the story is and if both men would be willing to talk about this subject and take calls from FReepers on an upcoming episode of Republican Radio.

Messrs. Staten and Keighley can in touch with our producers by clicking on the "Contact Us" in the upper-left hand corner of the Republican Radio website. The show broadcasts every Saturday from Seattle, WA and we'd like to have Mr. Staten in-studio if possible.

141 posted on 11/08/2004 7:04:19 PM PST by Republican Radio™ (Listen to Republican Radio every Sat. 1pm EST/10am PST http://www.republicanradio.com)
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To: Republican Radio™
I'm a long-time friend of Joe's - well, actually, he prefers to call me a "stalker" - and I think some additional clarification needs to be put in here. The Halo 2 story has nothing to do with the Bush administration - however, it is a frighteningly accurate re-creation of the Nixon-Humphrey election, including a dramatic scene where Eugene McCarthy (Cortana) angers President Johnson (343 Guilty Spark)!

Rumor has it that Halo 3 will be about Bush Sr. and his early years at the CIA. I can't wait!

142 posted on 11/08/2004 7:05:39 PM PST by poena.dare
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To: Republican Radio™

excellent post RP.


143 posted on 11/08/2004 7:06:14 PM PST by BoBToMatoE
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To: Republican Radio™

Halo was the best Video game I ever played. I have been counting down the days until this release. I am stoked. Give me the plasma rifle, a couple of fragmentation grenades and the shotgun and I will put the covenant out of their miserable existence. Oh I also may need a banshee!


144 posted on 11/08/2004 7:10:00 PM PST by TheRedSoxWinThePennant (Remember the Red Sox won the World Series on George Bush's watch!)
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To: CWOJackson

Stalin? I was thinking Satan.


146 posted on 11/08/2004 8:54:06 PM PST by Rokke
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To: All

Geoff is clearly at fault for angling Joe Staten's words to an anti-Bush angle...but frankly, most of you guys jumped the gun.


147 posted on 11/08/2004 9:01:46 PM PST by Ultra Sonic (Remember.)
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To: Republican Radio™

Even if there was some anti-Bushism in Halo 2 (that has yet to be seen), I'd still play the game. I mean, many games or movies could be interperted in many ways. If, like most games, the story takes a back seat, or is simply to be reason to blow stuff up, that's fine by me.


148 posted on 11/08/2004 9:13:55 PM PST by Simmy2.5 (Kerry has been relieved of duty!)
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To: killjoy

Excellent, thank you, I'll ask for Combat Mission for Christmas. Did a lot of Squad Leader and a little bit of ASL as a kid before moving on. It'll be nice to try a SL like game on the computer all these years later.


149 posted on 11/08/2004 9:27:46 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: Diplomat
If you liked ASL, you will love this. Imagine being able to play without spending 99% of your time looking up obscure rules. Get Combat Mission: Afrika Korps. It is the latest in the series. There is a demo on the site.
150 posted on 11/08/2004 9:56:24 PM PST by killjoy (I'm John Kerry and I'm relieved of duty.)
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