Skip to comments.The killing of Theo van Gogh and the aftermath - Report by a Dutch guy
Posted on 11/10/2004 2:52:53 AM PST by teezle
I have read several comments by FReepers about the slaugthering of Theo van Gogh and see a lot of half truths about it. Therefore I will write this short report from Utrecht (The Netherlands).
Theo van Gogh was a very famous film maker and columnist in The Netherlands. His movies were about several topics including a remake of Romeo and Julia with a Dutch girl and a Morrocan immigrant. He was a very generous guy as all his friends mentioned at the funeral and a good citizen (working for his son's sportclub). His other side was his fun in provoking people. He has provoked almost every well-known person in the Netherlands. For instance, there has been a lawsuit against him for commenting: "It smells like caramel, they must be burning the Jews with diabetes". He just loved to create conflicts.
He has been sacked as a columnist numerous times and the last few years he used the free newspaper in public traffic and his website www.degezonderoker.nl (thehealthysmoker) for his insults. Last years a lot of his insults were pointed against Muslims which he always mentioned as goatf*uckers. And yes, that is possible in the NL. I read an article about a NYT reporter who was thinking how he was going to translate that. I read in the NYT that he finally used "bestiality with a goat". :-)
Another person in the NL who is trying to start a discussion about Muslims and the Koran is Ayaan Hirsi Ali (House of Representatives for the liberal party). She is originally from Somalia and when she was told to marry a guy she fled to the NL. She asked Theo van Gogh to do a short film about Mulims women surpression and he did. Ayaan has been threatened so many times (she is someone who is not Muslim anymore, don't know the word for that) that she got police protection 24/7. Theo did not want protection.
Last week Theo van Gogh was cycling through Amsterdam and Mohammed B. shot him several times, slit his throat and than stabbed two knifes in him. One was sticking a letter to Ayaan Hirsi Ali to his body.
That night 20.000 people were making a lot of noise on the Dam (square) in Amsterdam to make a statement that this will not be tolerated. Also several Muslim demonstrations have been held after Tuesday. And a few rightwing extremist (neo nazis) were having demonstrations but these were aborted by the police.
A few more people were arrested in the aftermath and police are searching Mohammed B.'s religious teacher. They both had contact with Samir A., the guy who was arrested for planning attacks against the House of Rep.
Mohammed B. was raised in the NL and was a normal (read: moderate Muslim) until two years ago. He started visiting more radical mosques, got a beard and started wearing djelaba's. People around him say that he started becoming radical after his mother died of cancer. But when he got radical they lost contact.
Since Theo van Gogh was not a normal guy his friends organised a party the day before his funeral. They even had a corner with goats behind a fence with a sign above it: "For people that have the urge". :-)
Since last Tuesday a few attacks have been commited against Islamic schools and mosques. This ranged from small fires to thrown-in windows. Apart from two other attacks: A bomb attack at a Islamic school in Eindhoven and yesterday a fire that burned down a Islamic school in Uden. Also several churces have been under attack in recent days and yesterday night (I cannot believe it) the church in the village I grew up at (Boxmeer) was set on fire (small one though).
This morning I woke up and learned that the terrorism police squad tried to enter a house in The Hague and got a grenade thrown at them. Three police men were hurt. The police is trying to prevent the thing that happened in Madrid (exploding house when they entered) and are still waiting to enter the house. It is now even prohibited to fly over The Hague.
I can tell you guys this. Living in the Netherlands at this moment in time is very unreal. The song I keep having in my head this morning is "We gotta get out of this place.." I am starting to think more and more that we are on the edge of a major conflict within the NL (as some of you guys have been telling al along), but I am not ready to give up on the Muslim community in the Netherlands.
If it happens I probably have move to another country (perhaps to America like Theo van Gogh was going to do when his son finally got 18, is now 12 I believe). We'll see...
Btw. People were questioning my Dutch decent because of my English but I lived in England for half a year so that's why.
If anyone has any questions about the Netherlands or the situation as of now, please feel free to ask.
Many thanks for posting here. We know how terrible the Muslim Trojan Horse is THOUGH you are seeing it first hand due to insane immigration policies.
We saw it here on 09-11 in spades
Love that image of the ROP. Thanks 'backhoe'.
We should welcome all non-Muslim immigration to the USA... and prohibit Muslims completely. Not possible, I know. But that's what we SHOULD do.
The USA should be the last place on earth that these animals turn into a s--house.
Thanks for the post.
I'd give up on the Muslims in your country. Ask Buddhist in Thailand about Islam. Ask Hindus in India about Islam. Ask Catholics in Nigeria about Islam. Ask Protestants in Darfur about Islam.
Everywhere Islam comes into contact with another culture, regardless of what that culture may be, violence follows.
There is something seriously wrong with a religion, that if it is questioned, insulted or slighted in some way, the only acceptable response is death.
Even if Van Gogh was pretty vocal about his disdain for Muslims, Jews, etc, it doesn't excuse the Muslim religion from going over the line and killing him, and it doesn't excuse them from beheading innocents in Iraq either. If the Muslim religion is really a religion of peace, they will be outraged at the acts committed in their name, and that outrage is yet to be heard.
Spain, Netherlands, and soon The rest of Europe will have this problem with the Islamofascists, IMO. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. Appeasment as a foreign policy is bound to fail, everytime.
Thank you for the message... It is shocking to wake up and read about what is happening in the Netherlands. It seems like things are getting out of control.
Personally, I think that it is awful that people of both religions are retaliating by starting fires at mosques or churches. Some here might say that this only reflects built-up anger without an outlet, but this is not a good enough excuse. On the other hand, if one lives in a community and knows that there is a building down the street where fanatics are planning and praising attacks against Westerners (including Americans -- I believe some of the plotting for 911 was done in Holland) and the government is doing nothing about it, it wouldn't take much for one to take the situation in one's own hands.
For me, one of the most interesting things is to compare this reaction in the Netherlands to the American reaction after 911. It could be that the Dutch arsonists aren't afraid of punishment in the same way as would happen in the US. Furthermore, it is ironic that European intellectuals want us to believe that European society is more calm and fair but then something like this can set them off in a way that surpasses the American response. I think that this event, combined with Madrid which oddly does not seem to have fully sunken in, may finally force Europe to recognize that it cannot ignore the threat from radical Islam.
Stay safe over there and remember that American is grateful for the Dutch support in the last few years. Also I certainly hope that no one will try to blame this situation on the United States for 'inflaming' Muslims; 911 did that itself.
Lets hope so and lance that ugly boil once and for all.
I'd give up on the Muslims in your country. Ask Buddhist in Thailand about Islam. Ask Hindus in India about Islam. Ask Catholics in Nigeria about Islam. Ask Protestants in Darfur about Islam. Everywhere Islam comes into contact with another culture, regardless of what that culture may be, violence follows.
This one DEFINITELY did for me, thanks. (psst....you may see it copied on some other threads!) :)
This is interesting. Good post!
Holland is a great country. Let's hope that our islama-buddies have played their hand wrongly and in a self-defeating enough manner that this problem is over with and resolved quickly and conclusively.
I've been following the aftermath and ramifications ensuing from Theo Van Gogh's murder here in the US. Maybe he's provoked them to self-defeating reactions that will confound their cause. Let's hope so.
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