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Operation Phantom Fury---Day III---Live thread
CNNFOXMSNBC | Nov 11,2004 | All of us

Posted on 11/10/2004 4:07:27 AM PST by Dog

Todays thread post all comments here...tunnels are being found in the southern part of Fallujah....per CNN's embedded reporter on the scene.


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1 posted on 11/10/2004 4:07:28 AM PST by Dog
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To: Dog

We control 70% of Fallujah. Some terrorists came out waving a white flag and when a soldier started talking to them, they shot him.


2 posted on 11/10/2004 4:08:29 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed)
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To: Dog

The terrorist's are faking surrenders to kill US troops...per Fox.


3 posted on 11/10/2004 4:08:35 AM PST by Dog ("Brave terrorists, I am waiting here for the brave terrorists. Come and kill us," a US trooper)
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To: Dog
The terrorist's are faking surrenders to kill US troops...per Fox.

Well that simplifies things.

4 posted on 11/10/2004 4:09:50 AM PST by Huck (Any man, gay or straight, can marry a woman. That's equal treatment under the law.)
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To: Peach

I say we shoot anyone with a white flag.


5 posted on 11/10/2004 4:10:26 AM PST by Preachin' (Where is Murrymom?)
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To: Dog

Flood the tunnels


6 posted on 11/10/2004 4:10:41 AM PST by boxerblues (www.ohbluestarmothers.org)
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To: Preachin'

Marines just took out a mosque w/ 4 tank shells, according to the Imus show reporter.


7 posted on 11/10/2004 4:11:29 AM PST by RoyDelFuego
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To: RoyDelFuego

Imus seems concerned that damaging the mosque will annoy them. Feh!


8 posted on 11/10/2004 4:12:19 AM PST by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: Dog

Good morning and thanks for the thread. I think we are taking more prisoners than was expected.

Prairie


9 posted on 11/10/2004 4:12:20 AM PST by prairiebreeze (George W Bush: Spending well-earned political capital.)
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To: boxerblues
"Flood the tunnels"

With gasoline
10 posted on 11/10/2004 4:12:26 AM PST by ProudVet77 (Kerry-Edwards: Two wrongs don't make a right.)
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To: RoyDelFuego
I hope that they level every Mosque known to harbor terrorists and/or their supplies.

I'm fed up with these punks!
11 posted on 11/10/2004 4:13:08 AM PST by Preachin' (Where is Murrymom?)
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To: RoyDelFuego
This MSNBC reporter is putting a very negative spin.....now claims an old man has been shot.

The anti-Americanism from this guy is breath taking.

12 posted on 11/10/2004 4:13:32 AM PST by Dog ("Brave terrorists, I am waiting here for the brave terrorists. Come and kill us," a US trooper)
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To: boxerblues
"Flood the tunnels"


I like the idea of mining them and then placing bars around the outside to keep the kids out.
13 posted on 11/10/2004 4:14:43 AM PST by Preachin' (Where is Murrymom?)
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To: Dog
"The anti-Americanism from this guy is breath taking."

Kevin Sites is making me sick to my stomach. He seems to think Marines should act like MPs.

14 posted on 11/10/2004 4:15:12 AM PST by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: Preachin'

Weapons were found in that destroyed mosque....Mr. Sites saved that bit of info for last.


15 posted on 11/10/2004 4:15:22 AM PST by Dog ("Brave terrorists, I am waiting here for the brave terrorists. Come and kill us," a US trooper)
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To: ProudVet77
I've thought of that!

No wonder everytime we go to clean out a town, all the bad guys have just melted away, we can give new meaning to this with a matchstick
16 posted on 11/10/2004 4:16:08 AM PST by boxerblues (www.ohbluestarmothers.org)
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To: Dog
"Weapons were found in that destroyed mosque....Mr. Sites saved that bit of info for last."

I wonder if there are Mosques here in the US that are doing the same thing?
17 posted on 11/10/2004 4:20:23 AM PST by Preachin' (Where is Murrymom?)
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To: Preachin'
"I wonder if there are Mosques here in the US that are doing the same thing?"

Rhetorical question alert.
18 posted on 11/10/2004 4:22:31 AM PST by ProudVet77 (Kerry-Edwards: Two wrongs don't make a right.)
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To: ProudVet77

Shoot anyone named ABU..

That should encompass about every other male in that city.


19 posted on 11/10/2004 4:23:38 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Kimber Gold Match 1911 fan)
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To: Armedanddangerous

The mosques and your local china chow eatery!


20 posted on 11/10/2004 4:28:00 AM PST by BookaT (My Cat's Breath smells like Cat Food!)
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To: Bahbah
Imus seems concerned that damaging the mosque will annoy them. Feh!

You're right. It's past time to stop caring about what annoys them. They're terrorists, for crying out loud.

They annoy us.

21 posted on 11/10/2004 4:32:27 AM PST by Allegra
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To: Preachin'
I wonder if there are Mosques here in the US that are doing the same thing?

I've wondered the same thing! I wouldn't be surprised either.

22 posted on 11/10/2004 4:33:03 AM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org Violations of Florida Statutes ongoing!)
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To: Preachin'

I 2nd your "say". We don't want any stinkin prisoners anyway.


23 posted on 11/10/2004 4:33:17 AM PST by daybreakcoming
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24 posted on 11/10/2004 4:35:00 AM PST by firewalk
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Happy Birthday Marines


25 posted on 11/10/2004 4:37:34 AM PST by firewalk
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To: Dog

Battle rages in centre of Falluja

US marines have taken the mayor's office in central Falluja and say they now control 70% of the Iraqi city with rebels hemmed into a narrow strip.

Reporting from the mayoral compound, the BBC's Paul Wood says a battle is still raging in the city centre while US-led forces control the perimeter.

According to US estimates, hundreds of rebels were killed on Wednesday alone and at least one more marine died.

Relief groups say they are deeply worried about the fate of civilians.

Our correspondent said that on Wednesday morning no civilians could be seen on the streets, shops were shuttered and black smoke was rising all around.

Fadhil Badrani, a journalist in Falluja who reports for the BBC World Service in Arabic, says the city now looks like Kabul, the Afghan capital largely reduced to rubble after years of warfare.

One marine officer, Maj Francis Piccoli, said the rebels had been squeezed into a strip of the city bordering the east-west motorway which splits Falluja.

"There's going to be a movement today in those areas," he added.

New casualties

Marines backed by tanks met little opposition when they blasted their way into the mayor's compound, which also houses a police station, at around 0400 local time (0100 GMT), Paul Wood reports.

However, they came under sustained fire around dawn from the minaret of a mosque, says our correspondent, whose reports are subject to military restrictions.

According to marines, the rebels waved a white flag at one stage but opened fire from three directions when a marine interpreter tried to begin talks. The marines then called in air strikes.

Other marines reported intense exchanges of fire in a north-western district.

One marine was killed and several seriously injured, bringing the death toll to 11 Americans and two Iraqi government soldiers.

"As for casualties on the insurgents' side, I can tell you that they are dying," marine spokesman Lt Lyle Gilbert told AFP news agency.

In other developments:

'Total destruction'

Lt Gen Thomas Metz, the multinational ground force commander in Iraq, warned of "several more days of tough urban fighting" ahead, adding that rebel leaders such as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi - America's most wanted man in Iraq - appeared to have fled before the assault began.

In Washington, President George W Bush praised the US-led forces in Falluja for their "hard work... for a free Iraq".

However, Iraq's largest Sunni-led political party, the Iraqi Islamic Party, pulled out of the interim government in protest at the Falluja assault.

The main association of Sunni clerics also voiced its disapproval, calling for a boycott of elections due in January.

Neighbouring Iran also voiced serious concern over Iraqi losses in Falluja.

Aid agencies have highlighted the plight of civilians in Falluja where up to 50,000 people remain out of a pre-war population of 300,000.

The Red Cross has urged all combatants to guarantee passage to those in need of medical care.

Paul Wood notes that despite efforts by US forces to select targets carefully, their use of heavy artillery and tanks is bound to lead to civilian casualties.

An unnamed man claiming to be a rebel fighter told the BBC's Today programme that the destruction in Falluja was "total".

"The Americans are bombing everywhere - everything is destroyed," he said, adding that water and electricity had been cut off."

The assault on Falluja, a hotbed of Sunni resistance, is officially aimed at stabilising Iraq ahead of January's poll.


Here's a link to a LARGE map (4 mb):

Falluja

26 posted on 11/10/2004 4:39:59 AM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: daybreakcoming
Maybe we saw the white flag and understandably mistook them as Frenchmen.
27 posted on 11/10/2004 4:41:43 AM PST by Preachin' (Where is Murrymom?)
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To: Armedanddangerous
"Shoot anyone named ABU"


Please enunciate "ABU" so as not to be confused with "APU". I thank-you very much, please.

28 posted on 11/10/2004 4:43:25 AM PST by Rebelbase (Indiscriminate reprisals strengthen the terrorists. Targeted ones weaken them. Aim is everything.)
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To: Rebelbase

I stand correctly please.

Thank you vewy much.


29 posted on 11/10/2004 4:44:27 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Kimber Gold Match 1911 fan)
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To: Dog

A required component for this type of thread.

30 posted on 11/10/2004 4:45:33 AM PST by BulletBobCo
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To: Dog

A headline from the Khaleeji Times reads "Fallujah battle: US muscle and fire-breathing Iraqi PM in front"
I could like this Allawi guy - shame about his relatives kidnapped - think you could count them "gone"


31 posted on 11/10/2004 4:50:50 AM PST by daybreakcoming
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To: Dog

From wretchard's Belmont Club
http://belmontclub.blogspot.com/

Hell in a Very Small Place

The Bakersfield Californian reports that US forces have reached the major east-west highway that runs through Fallujah.

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U.S. Marines said American forces had taken control Wednesday of 70 percent of Fallujah in the third day of a major offensive to retake the insurgent stronghold. Major Francis Piccoli, of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, said enemy fighters were bottled up in a strip of the city flanking the major east-west highway that splits Fallujah. Army and Marine units had pushed south to the highway overnight, Piccoli said.

... As the American forces crossed the highway that split Fallujah, armored Army units stayed behind to guard the thoroughfare.
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To realize the significance of this, refer to this map from Global Security, which shows the start lines of the participating American units: USMC 3/1, USMC 3/5, Army 2/7 Cavalry, USMC 1/8, USMC 1/3 and Army 2/2 Infantry. These units were attacking north to south, down towards the highway. The east-west highway referred to in the paragraph above is the bright green line running horizontally across the map. US Army armor is now on that highway, after advancing south and probably swinging west. US forces are probably waiting across the highway. We are fairly sure of this because the London Telegraph recounted how a US Army Cavalry Unit was moving through the industrial area which is located in the southeast corner of the city, below the green line which represents the highway which US armor is now patrolling going north to south; that is up towards the highway. We know it is cavalry because they call their companies "troops".

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The flimsy metal door was ripped off its hinges as a hefty boot from a Legion platoon soldier made decisive contact. Inside the small room lay an AK-47 rifle, alarm clock parts and a handwritten notebook in Farsi. Moments earlier, the gunman, thought to be Iranian, had fled as Legion, Hunter and Outlaw platoons of the US army's Task Force 2-2 undertook one of the more dangerous tasks of the battle for Fallujah. Clearing buildings door to door in a guerrilla stronghold is risky at any time. Into the bargain this time, the platoons from Phantom troop had been ordered to sweep Fallujah's industrial zone, a haven for foreign fighters.
"

Simply reading the map shows that the enemy is pinned in a strip north of the highway, which is now a barrier to further escape south. As Major Piccoli put it, the "enemy fighters were bottled up in a strip of the city flanking the major east-west highway that splits Fallujah". Pressing them against the highway are four US battalions from the north and two from the east. Two days ago, the Telegraph carried an interview with Captain Natalie Friel, which eerily anticipated this very outcome.

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"They're probably thinking that we'll come in from the east," said Capt Natalie Friel, an intelligence officer with task force, before the battle. But the actual plan involves penetrating the city from the north and sweeping south. "I don't think they know what's coming. They have no idea of the magnitude," she said. "But their defences are pretty circular. They're prepared for any kind of direction. They've got strong points on all four corners of the city." The aim was to push the insurgents south, killing as many as possible, before swinging west. They would then be driven into the Euphrates.
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The reader is invited to draw his own conclusions about the enemy's prospects in this position. They are pinned against the highway, with no exit north, east or south.


32 posted on 11/10/2004 4:51:47 AM PST by sanchmo
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To: BulletBobCo

belly boomark button bump


33 posted on 11/10/2004 4:51:48 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: michigander; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
Nice Satellite shot......

Falluja

34 posted on 11/10/2004 4:54:58 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Dog

PS - Happy Birthday, Marines!
I see your already lit your own birthday candles. Now make a wish & blow them out.


35 posted on 11/10/2004 4:56:50 AM PST by sanchmo
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To: Allegra

Isn't an "annoyance" something like a "nusance"?


36 posted on 11/10/2004 4:56:51 AM PST by foxfield
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To: michigander
***"The Americans are bombing everywhere - everything is destroyed," he said, adding that water and electricity had been cut off."***

Texas size smile here. Truly, what did they expect? They are ignorant as a rock if they didn't realize that America is capable of more - much more than this even. Let Fallujah stand as a monument to this. Thanks for posting this article.

37 posted on 11/10/2004 5:00:42 AM PST by daybreakcoming
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To: daybreakcoming

BUMP


38 posted on 11/10/2004 5:02:30 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Can I git me some morals here?)
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To: daybreakcoming

Exactly, one easy way to keep the damned traitorous judiciary out of the war on terror is to summarily execute the muzzies after a brief field interrogation.

No more "rights" for terrorists.


39 posted on 11/10/2004 5:03:53 AM PST by Stopislamnow (One Dick, One Bush, the way God intended it.)
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To: daybreakcoming
One marine officer, Maj Francis Piccoli, said the rebels had been squeezed into a strip of the city bordering the east-west motorway which splits Falluja.

"There's going to be a movement today in those areas," he added.

I'll bet there's going to be a lot of "movements" in the bowels of those areas.

40 posted on 11/10/2004 5:06:14 AM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: Dog

Tunnel solution - pour fugas (in other words, napalm) into it, light fuse, stand back. Roasted terrorist...


41 posted on 11/10/2004 5:15:44 AM PST by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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To: daybreakcoming

Report says Falluja now looks like Kabul after years of war,,,,Well it only took us 3 days,,,,,Happy Birthday USMC!


42 posted on 11/10/2004 5:21:38 AM PST by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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To: Bahbah

I noticed...They faked surrenders in the drive to Baghdad,too..I hate it.


43 posted on 11/10/2004 5:22:12 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: MEG33

We really need to announce TAKE NO PRISONERS!


44 posted on 11/10/2004 5:23:20 AM PST by wildcatf4f3 (out of the sun)
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Confusion marks mosque fight
45 posted on 11/10/2004 5:26:10 AM PST by boxerblues (www.ohbluestarmothers.org)
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To: foxfield
Isn't an "annoyance" something like a "nusance"?

Or a nuisance even!

We just had four incoming nearby...it has been wild and wooly all over Iraq the last few days...

46 posted on 11/10/2004 5:27:40 AM PST by Allegra (I'm Still Standing! Disappointed, HAT? Life is Tough, Ain't It?)
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To: boxerblues

Reminds me of how we use to kill gophers in the yard. Stick a garden hose down the hole. If that doesn't work, get the smoke bombs.


47 posted on 11/10/2004 5:39:51 AM PST by We Happy Few ("we band of brothers; for he to-day that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother;")
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To: Dog

I find it funny how the terrorist leader flees the city before the invasion.

That should be a good example for his supporters who blow themselves up in car bombs for allah.

48 posted on 11/10/2004 5:40:32 AM PST by KoRn
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To: Allegra

((((Allegra))))

Almighty and eternal God,
Protect these soldiers as they discharge their duties. Protect them with the shield of your strength and keep them safe from all evil and harm. May the power of your love enable them to return home in safety, that with all who love them, they may ever praise you for your loving care.

For all of you in harms way we pray.



49 posted on 11/10/2004 5:47:15 AM PST by MEG33 ( Congratulations President Bush!..Thank you God. Four More Years!)
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To: MEG33

Bump!


50 posted on 11/10/2004 5:51:20 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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