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Third F-16 forced to land at Syracuse Airport
F-16.net ^ | 11/8/2004 | unknown

Posted on 11/10/2004 4:28:41 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

For the third time in less than two weeks an F16 Fighting Falcon was forced to make an emergency landing at Syracuse Hancock International Airport.

It happened Sunday morning when the pilot reported an afterburner problem shortly after takeoff.

The jet was participating in an exercise. Around 08.45h the Viper pilot began circling the airfield for about half an hour to spend fuel before landing. F-16s are not designed to land on a full tank. Too much fuel makes them too heavy to land safely.

Another F-16 landed on October 29th because of a brake malfunction, and on November 1st yet another one blew two tires on landing after the pilot reported brake problems.

No injuries were reported in any of the landings.

Hancock field is preparing for an operational readiness inspection in January that will test the unit's ability to move its people, cargo and jets to the battlefield.

The 138th Fighter Squadron converted in 1993 from the F-16A to the Block 30 models. In October 1998, the Wing swapped aircraft with the 149th FW of the Texas ANG and received Block 25 F-16s.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: viper
Rash of mishaps, I'm glad nobody got hurt.
1 posted on 11/10/2004 4:28:45 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
i think the F-16 is due for some refitting

hopefully they fix this soon before anyone gets killed

2 posted on 11/10/2004 4:30:21 PM PST by MetalHeadConservative35 (Steve Marriuci: CAN WE WIN ENOUGH TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS PLEASSSSSEEEEE?????????????????????????????)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I'd be reviewing my mechanics' training.


3 posted on 11/10/2004 4:32:41 PM PST by pipecorp ("never know where you're going till you get there." the philosopher Insectus Harem)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

** putting on tinfoil hat **

Sabotage?


4 posted on 11/10/2004 4:34:10 PM PST by eyespysomething (7 days out, and the Dems still don't get it.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Routine stuff in any fighter outfit.


5 posted on 11/10/2004 4:36:38 PM PST by catpuppy (John Kerry: He said he'd bring us together and he did. Thanks from the red states.)
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To: pipecorp
The Air Guard has some of the best aircraft maintenance troops in the USAF. Still, a review of all the maintenance records is in order.
6 posted on 11/10/2004 4:36:42 PM PST by TankerKC (R.I.P. Spc Trevor A. Win'E American Hero)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

The F-16 isn't called the "lawn dart" for nothing.


7 posted on 11/10/2004 4:39:58 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: TankerKC
That's all I was saying. I wouldn't want to lose any of my jockeys or their rides because of boredom , laziness, lack of experience or missed paperwork.
8 posted on 11/10/2004 4:41:11 PM PST by pipecorp ("never know where you're going till you get there." the philosopher Insectus Harem)
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To: pipecorp

Oh yes, I'm sure that the Wing Commander is explaining to the Base Commander what he's doing to review and improve maintenance practices and anything else out of the ordinary. This is a high-visibility deal.


9 posted on 11/10/2004 4:41:51 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Gun-control is leftist mind-control.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Who made the F-16, is there a history of problems with the F-16 and what's that company's political leaning? The timing...


10 posted on 11/10/2004 4:43:51 PM PST by bd476
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To: catpuppy

These things seem to happen in clusters. Who can explain it? At Hill AFB, UT in Jan. 1998, there was such a rash of F-16 crashes (with several pilots getting killed) that the wing commander was relieved of command and he retired. The mishaps were so wide-ranging that they never could nail down it down to a specific cause. It was just weird.


11 posted on 11/10/2004 4:46:13 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Gun-control is leftist mind-control.)
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To: bd476

General Dynamics, introduced around 1976?


12 posted on 11/10/2004 4:47:07 PM PST by pipecorp ("never know where you're going till you get there." the philosopher Insectus Harem)
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To: Pukin Dog

PING cause I'm curious as to your take on this...


13 posted on 11/10/2004 4:47:49 PM PST by Severa (I can't take this stress anymore...quick, get me a marker to sniff....)
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To: Severa

Good call.


14 posted on 11/10/2004 4:48:28 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Gun-control is leftist mind-control.)
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To: F14 Pilot

What do you make of this?


15 posted on 11/10/2004 4:48:49 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Gun-control is leftist mind-control.)
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To: pipecorp

There should be similar problems and a paper trail.


16 posted on 11/10/2004 4:49:57 PM PST by bd476
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To: TankerKC

Looks like a great Air Field when you are in trouble! and three safe landings is Fantastic. More pilots will be heading to Stewart if they encounter trouble.


17 posted on 11/10/2004 5:10:09 PM PST by True Republican Patriot
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
some of them wish that they had kept their Hogs...
18 posted on 11/10/2004 5:18:17 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: bd476
Good Evening All-

Posted by bd476:
"...Who made the F-16, is there a history of problems with the F-16 and what's that company's political leaning?..."

I'm guessing that you left out the [/sarcasm] tags because it is fairly safe to assume that General Dynamics isn't managed by a bunch of sissy peaceniks!

~ Blue Jays ~

19 posted on 11/10/2004 5:24:32 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Blue Jays
Actually, I did not know who made the F-16 - that's why I asked.

Not all government contract work is performed by companies with good track records, no matter whether a company is considered traditionally conservative or not.

20 posted on 11/10/2004 5:33:51 PM PST by bd476
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To: Chode

Heh heh heh.... Hog's a great airplane, if there's no one around shooting them down. Not very good without air superiority (read F15). The mighty Viper (F16 slang nickname) the "Boys from Syracuse" are flying is an older variant but still very capable. Probably built 1984-1986, with lots of lifespan left. Accidents happen in rashes, and a simple afterburner blowout is no big deal. The breaks may get hot from a heavyweight landing, but thats no big deal either. General Dynamics sold out to Lockheed a ways back, and they still build awesome aircraft. You conspiracy folks are making me chuckle. Stuff happens with high tech fighters, and most of the time its the pilot who makes an error, not maintainance troops or mechnical failure. These are incredibly reliable for their complexity (check out soviet accident rates; whooo boy)but not infallible.


21 posted on 11/10/2004 5:33:59 PM PST by church16 ("Everyone's a pacifist between wars. It's like being a vegetarian between meals.")
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Things must be pretty boring in Syracuse NY if they are reporting this stuff. None of these problems are uncommon in any fighter. Also, you don't land "because of a brake malfunction." Think about that for a second...since you don't use them in the air, is there really a need to land if you think they don't work. Anyway, there might be a problem if three jets had to land because of a similar engine problem, or similar hydraulic problem, or similar electrical problem etc. But this sounds more like a normal month in most fighter squadrons.


22 posted on 11/10/2004 5:40:40 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Severa
Mishaps like these tend to come in bunches. They almost always have to do with milestones or measurements which ramp up the stress levels to the point where things just get missed in the maintenance or proficiencies areas. You can almost predict them. You can only hope for the best outcome; that no one gets killed.
23 posted on 11/10/2004 5:52:04 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: church16
when i said they miss the Hogs, i meant they miss the Hogs, nothing to do with these isolated insidents... i know my Brother did when he was there
i believe they are still the only ANG unit flying 16's with the 30mm Gunpod... a little tooo fast for CAS to my liking though and without the armored tub needed when you get down tree level, but that's just me 8^)
24 posted on 11/10/2004 6:28:57 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Rokke

The "brake problem" I assumed referred to the dive brakes or spoilers. If this system was inop, it could lead to blown tires on landing due to higher than normal amount of friction braking needed to stop the aircraft.

Also, possible loss of hyd. to braking system before wheels up indication.


25 posted on 11/10/2004 6:47:32 PM PST by wrench
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To: wrench

You don't need the speedbrakes to land. They really don't slow you down that much on landing rollout. But it may have been a hydraulic problem which could result in brake failure. You'd think this intrepid reporter would have called it a hydraulic problem instead of a brake problem if that was the case. But then again, why expect a newspaper reporter to report with accuracy.


26 posted on 11/10/2004 7:31:22 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Rokke

I'm sure that's true. Some Air Force guy probably talked to a buddy of his who is a reporter and the reporter decided it would make an interesting story for a slow news day. At Hill AFB in Utah, the F-16s fly tons of exercises over the west desert. They have their share of brake fires, emergency landings because some indicator was in the red, or something wasn't quite working right. In 2002, there was a pilot who ejected because he blew out a tire at 85 knots on takeoff roll and the pieces took out his steering and some vital electronics (pilot ejected OK, mishap board found that his actions were acceptable). The plane went off the runway, flipped several times, and was a total loss. That mishap never made the papers.


27 posted on 11/11/2004 5:46:12 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Gun-control is leftist mind-control.)
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To: pipecorp

I think I would review my "mechanics" pay. Firstly the mechanic would not be there if not at least qualified on paper. You get what you pay for. Secondly, old equipment is old equipment.


28 posted on 11/11/2004 5:51:59 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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