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The Top Ten Things People Believe About Canadian Health Care, But Shouldn't
The Heritage Foundation ^ | 9/10/04 | Brian Lee Crowley

Posted on 11/10/2004 4:47:33 PM PST by Conservative Coulter Fan

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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

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41 posted on 11/10/2004 6:06:30 PM PST by chaosagent (It's all right to be crazy. Just don't let it drive you nuts.)
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To: Angry Republican

do you mind if I ask what the 4 grand was for?


42 posted on 11/10/2004 6:10:20 PM PST by cajungirl (Kerry:Bad for Geese, Bad for America)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Excellent post!


43 posted on 11/10/2004 6:26:18 PM PST by PhilipFreneau ("Our real disease is ... democracy" - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: cajungirl

Hospital stay. Long story.


44 posted on 11/10/2004 7:55:20 PM PST by Angry Republican (yvan eht nioj!)
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To: mc5cents

The frogs. Look at post 16.


45 posted on 11/10/2004 7:57:06 PM PST by Angry Republican (yvan eht nioj!)
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To: Robert357

I lived in Bellingham for awhile and there were a lot more docs per capita than I would have expected. It was due to the Canadians crossing over to pay for them.


46 posted on 11/10/2004 10:27:17 PM PST by conservative cat
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To: drc43

"I can add a bit, since I have had some intimate contact with the Canadian Health Care system:
1. Hospitals are very dirty.
2. Doctors will try to kill their patients if they are old and considered more trouble than they are worth...saw this first hand. They need the beds.
3. Difficult to get care for difficult situations such as asthma if it is not a routine case.
I do not wish this system on us at any price. It is a disaster."

I can speak a lot of #1. I had two major operations last year in a Cdn hospital. I also had a caesarian in another Cdn hospital 15 years ago. Both public hospitals were extremely clean, modern, and fitted with the best equipment. The staff was excellent, totally professional & friendly, and I had no major issues during my stays in hospitals. A major issue I did have was when I was told to go to ER to see the surgeon and they made me wait 8 hours due to understaffing. The ER understaffing, and the wait time for specialists are the major problems with Cdn healthcare. Other than that, it is incredible to have a major operation in a hospital and not have any bill to pay! Zilch. Zippo.

About #2. My grandmother had a stroke and was comatose in a Cdn hospital. The doctors recommended that her mineral intake be reduced until she passed away, and that's what happened. One elderly relative of mine lived in Ohio and was admitted to hospital. He suffered a stroke when the (weekend) nurse was putting the tube down his throat and he went comatose. They recommended pulling life support and that's what happened. Were both killed to free up beds? I don't agree with that cynical way of looking at this.


47 posted on 11/10/2004 10:53:09 PM PST by plushaye (President Bush - W2!! Four more years now! Thanks Swifties & POWs for Truth. Thank you GOD!!)
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That being said, in a system in which health services are free at the point of consumption, queuing is the most common form of rationing scarce medical resources.

In emergency situations, scarce facilities are often rationed by triage--dividing patients into three groups: those who will get better without treatment, those who won't get better even with treatment, and those who will get better only with treatment; priority is then given to the third group.

The only way a constant level of queueing can reduce the load on a system is by performing 'triage by attrition' as people in the queue are removed either because they get better on their own, or because they die off or give up. If a patient is removed from the queue because a problem healed itself, that may be a good thing; if the patient is removed from the queue because what would have been a curable condition became fatal when untreated, that should probably be considered a bad thing. Both outcomes are 'desirable', though, if one's goal is to minimize queue backlog.

48 posted on 11/11/2004 1:39:01 AM PST by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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Singapore has a splendid funding regime and I think the ingaporean model has a lot to be learned. If you really want to know about France's health care, I can say it is...mainly based on private medical insurance - not a lot different from American system.

And much of the government-funded services (like routine GP visits) now require fees. It is no longer free as it was a decade ago. And their health care cost quadrupled over the past 5 years - the picture ain't pretty either. (Source: the Francophone world's government-funded intl TV channel TV5 news)
49 posted on 11/11/2004 2:16:57 AM PST by NZerFromHK ("US libs...hypocritical, naive, pompous...if US falls it will be because of these" - Tao Kit (HK))
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To: Angry Republican

yeah, but 4 grand gets you about thirty minutes in the ER and one minor scan.


50 posted on 11/11/2004 3:26:00 AM PST by cajungirl (Kerry:Bad for Geese, Bad for America)
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$75 billion rising at 5 percent per year...

And that's for a nation of only 20 million people; imagine what it would cost here, where we have nearly 300 million people!

51 posted on 11/11/2004 3:32:09 AM PST by Uncle Vlad
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My mother is Canadian so I can offer a couple of family examples:

Another problem is that if a doctor screws up, tough -- a doctor misdiagnosed a cousin's child and now she will suffer health problems for the rest of her life. There is no suing for malpractice.

I also recall reading an article about 10 years ago in the Wall St. Journal that anyone who is over 80 and seriously ill is out of luck -- they won't bother treating the person. When my uncle (in his 80s) was in a nursing home and refused to eat, the home did nothing and let him die.

52 posted on 11/11/2004 3:45:24 AM PST by Siamese Princess
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To: jocon307

The WHO says France is #1, Italy #2, Marino, Andorra, Malta, Singapore, Spain, Oman, Austria and Japan round out the top 10.


53 posted on 11/11/2004 11:57:46 AM PST by Conservative Coulter Fan (BURN IN HELL, MICHAEL MOORE!)
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54 posted on 11/11/2004 11:58:35 AM PST by Conservative Coulter Fan (BURN IN HELL, MICHAEL MOORE!)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

"The WHO says France is #1"

Well, they didn't do Yasser much good did they?

Only kidding, I think they may have kept him alive past death!

I really did like that French doctor who was very pro-life. I should know his name, but I don't.

Thanks very much for the info.


55 posted on 11/11/2004 2:26:12 PM PST by jocon307 (Maintain the mandate!)
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To: Robert357; Clive
>>>>>I have often heard about Canadians "jumping the que" to get real and quick medical service in the US rather than waiting and possibly dying up in Canada.<<<<

That's the case for the affluent. Consider that on average Canadian salaries are 30% lower (i.e. $50K US salary is CAN$50000) and Canadians taxes way higher.

Canadian health system is good as long as you don't need it. Classic Ponzi scheme, relies on good faith of investors.

Once you get sick, you figure it out. Government has taken the money away from you through the exorbitant taxes and gives little in return (e.g. wait for cardiologist 3-6 months, unless you die earlier). And you have neither private funds nor private health plan in place.

Splurging of funds is rampant. For example, the biggest cost for running the hospital in Canada is NON-DOCTOR salaries. Cleaners are paid like rocket scientists and unions are preventing outsourcing.

At the same time, one can see medical staff dressed in operation room uniforms taking the subway to work. Unheard of even in Third World countries.

56 posted on 11/12/2004 8:34:48 AM PST by DTA (proud pajamista)
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