Skip to comments.Bosnian Serbs Apologize For Srebrenica Massacre
Posted on 11/10/2004 7:26:40 PM PST by Snapple
10 November 2004 -- Bosnian Serb authorities today apologized for the first time to relatives of around 8,000 Muslims killed by Serbian forces in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, Europe's worst atrocity since World War II.
A statement posted on the government's official web page said "the government of Republika Srpska sympathizes with the pain of relatives of the Srebrenica victims and expresses sincere regrets and apologies over the tragedy which has happened to them."
The Bosnian Serb government accepted last month a local report by a special investigative commission acknowledging that almost 8,000 Muslims were killed in the massacre, in the final stages of Bosnia's 1992-95 war.
Today's statement said "the report shows without any doubt that in July 1995 huge war crimes took place in the area of Srebrenica."
(AFP/RFE/RL's South Slavic and Albainian Languages Service)
We? Who is this we?
The 8,000 were civilians--as even the government admits.
Bosnian Muslim lived in nice little houses and were not a bunch of extremists.
They even told the Wahabbis to go home because they didn't need those morons telling them how to practice Islam.
IMHO, these Balkanoids deserve each other (pox on all their houses!)
The Muslims had turned in their weapons to the UN which had promised not to abandon them
In the summer of 1995, two years after it was designated a United Nations Safe Area, the Bosnian town of Srebrenica became the scene of the worst massacre in the Bosnian war. This is an account of the critical days leading up to the killings:
6-8 July 1995
Bosnian Serb forces had laid siege to the Srebrenica enclave, where tens of thousands of civilians had taken refuge from earlier Serb offensives in north-eastern Bosnia. They were under the protection of about 600 lightly armed Dutch infantry forces. Fuel was running out and no fresh food had been brought into the enclave since May.
Serb forces began shelling Srebrenica. Bosnian Muslim fighters in the town asked for the return of weapons they had surrendered to the peacekeepers but their request was refused. The Dutch commander called UN Headquarters in Sarajevo asking for "close air support" after shells and rockets landed close to refugee centres and observation posts manned by peacekeepers.
9 July 1995
The Bosnian Serbs stepped up their shelling and thousands of refugees fled to the town from southern camps ahead of advancing Serbs, who attacked Dutch observation posts, taking about 30 soldiers hostage.
Muslim enclave in Serb-held territory
Declared safe area in April 1993
UN commander Morillon arrived in March 1993 and said: "I will never abandon you"
Bosnian Serb army and paramilitaries massed in April 1995 including:
One peacekeeper was fatally wounded when Bosnian Muslims fired on retreating Dutch troops.
10 July 1995
Dutch Commander Colonel Karremans filed a request for UN air support after the Bosnian Serbs shelled Dutch positions. UN Commander General Janvier initially refused, but agreed after another request from the colonel. Serb attacks stopped before the planes arrived and strikes were postponed.
Some 4,000 refugees were in the town by the evening and there was panic on the streets. Large crowds were gathered around the Dutch positions.
The Dutch commander told town leaders that Nato planes would launch massive air attacks against the Serbs if they had not withdrawn from the safe area by 0600 the following morning.
11 July 1995
The Serb forces did not withdraw, but at 0900 Colonel Karremans received word from Sarajevo that his request for close air support had been submitted on the wrong form. At 1030, the re-submitted request reached General Janvier, but Nato planes had to return to base in Italy to refuel after being airborne since 0600.
UN air power was unable to save the safe area
By midday, more than 20,000 refugees - mostly women, children and the infirm - fled to the main Dutch base at Potocari.
At 1430, two Dutch F-16 Fighters dropped two bombs on Serb positions surrounding Srebrenica. The Serbs responded with a threat to kill their Dutch hostages and shell refugees, causing the suspension of further strikes.
The Bosnian Serb commander Ratko Mladic entered Srebrenica two hours later, accompanied by Serb camera crews. In the evening, General Mladic summoned Colonel Karremans to a meeting at which he delivered an ultimatum that the Muslims must hand over their weapons to guarantee their lives.
12 July 1995
Buses arrived to take women and children to Muslim territory, while the Serbs begin separating out all men from age 12 to 77 for "interrogation for suspected war crimes".
Mladic: Offered Muslims freedom if they surrendered arms
It is estimated that 23,000 women and children were deported in the next 30 hours. Hundreds of men were held in trucks and warehouses.
About 15,000 Bosnian Muslim fighters had attempted to escape from Srebrenica overnight and were shelled as they fled through the mountains.
13 July 1995
The first killings of unarmed Muslims took place in a warehouse in the nearby village of Kravica.
Peacekeepers handed over about 5,000 Muslims who had been sheltering at the Dutch base at Potocari. In return, the Bosnian Serbs released 14 Dutch peacekeepers who had been held at the Nova Kasaba base.
16 July 1995
Early reports of massacres emerged as the first survivors of the long march from Srebrenica began to arrive in Muslim-held territory.
Following negotiations between the UN and the Bosnian Serbs, the Dutch were at last permitted to leave Srebrenica, leaving behind weapons, food and medical supplies.
In the five days after Bosnian Serb forces overran Srebrenica, more than 7,000 Muslim men are thought to have been killed.
Honestly, I don't know what to believe about this region.
Oh, that's good. They APOLOGIZE.
Well, we can't bring back the past. I hope that these different groups can develop good relationships.
An apology is a start.
Believe a couple of things:
1) A friend with experience in the region was once chastised for being too correct when he described the atmosphere as "hate you can taste."
2) Don't know about Bosnia, but Kosovo is headed for another blow-up within a year because the UN is setting them up with false expectations that they'll receive independence very soon. When reality hits home, they'll be at each others' throats again.
Thats 8,000 non-combatants. Arab,Jew,White,Black...you do not shoot non-combatants if it can be avoided.
Where are the two shills on this forum who used to delight in calling me an ignoramus every time I'd mention the massacre at Srebrenica?
They were chauvinists for the Serbs. On this forum, we do not need apologists; just the facts.
Well, there were a couple of Serb apologists who pretty easily found fertile ground for their propaganda here.
They'd have you believe that all 8,000 of these men and boys were rabid members of Al Quaeda. Or that it was justified because of what the Bosnian Muslims did in World War II (basically almost none killed were even alive then.) Or that any Bosnian atrocities anywhere in the war justified this atrocity.
All of the above are intellectually bankrupt ideas.
THE FORBIDDEN SREBRENICA REPORT
www.slobodan-milosevic.org - October 16, 2004
by Andy Wilcoxson
In September of 2002 the Republika Srpska Bureau for Cooperation with the ICTY issued a report about the alleged massacre in Srebrenica. The report relied on UN documents, International Red Cross documents, BH Army documents, and photographic documentation. The report, which had been destined to be part of a larger final report, exposed the official Srebrenica story as a fraud.
Needless to say, the Muslims and the so-called "international community" were furious that the Srebrenica story had been debunked. The Serbs weren't supposed to expose the story as a fraud, they were supposed to confess so that nobody would have to try and prove the Srebrenica story with evidence. The Serbian confession was supposed to be the proof, and by debunking the story those dastardly Serbs messed-up everything.
Paddy Ashdown, who is for all intents and purposes Bosnia's dictator, was furious at the Serbian disobedience. He condemned the report without even reading it. He sacked the leadership of the commission that wrote the report, and he demanded that another report be written.
According to a report issued by the International Strategic Studies Association, Ashdown and his cronies at the OHR demanded that a fabricated report be issued in which Serbs blindly accepted the all blame for everything that the Muslims accused them of at Srebrenica.
After hand picking a new commission, and firing everybody who would dare to question the Muslim version of the Srebrenica story; Ashdown, not surprisingly, recently got the report that he wanted.
But for Ashdown one problem exists. The original report of September 2002 still exists, and it still proves that the Srebrenica story is a fraud, and no amount of phony extorted "confessions" can change that.
Ashdown has been lucky so-far, because only 500 copies of the original report were ever printed. This makes it a very hard document to find, and keeps it largely inaccessible to the general public.
But Mr. Ashdown's luck has ran out. We have managed to obtain a copy of the forbidden 139-page report. We have scanned it, and now we are making it available for you to download and distribute all over the internet!
Many of them arrived in Tuzla armed, and there were actually a few shoot-outs between them because some felt the leadership had given up Srebrenica - which it did.
Naser Oric and the top leadership, around 17 men, had left 3 months before, in April, and they never even bothered coming back. The town was obviously decided to go to Serbs for some time after the "fall".
There is a book, entitled "Srebrenica Survivors in St. Louis: After the Fall", which has quotes from an extended family, living in St. Louis, circa 1999. Some of the "survivors" are men who were in the army (about 3 of them). All of them say they were told by the acting commander to gather in the city (which meant they had to leave their fortified defenses), while he and the UN told the women and children to head for the UN base at Potocari. This, even before the Serbs got to the city and were still on the outskirts. Serbs started forward after the Muslims launched attacks and ambushes, likely for the set purpose to have the Serbs come. The Serbs were surprised at the lack of resistance on the way to the city.
The Muslim army in Srebrenica was claimed to be in the range of 8,000 - 12,000. The Serb army in the area 1,000 - 2,000 - NO WAY the Serbs could have captured that city, with Muslims in a defensive position, much larger, with Iranian arms. The Dutch Srebrenica report said Iranian arms brought to Sarajevo quickly showed up in Srebrenica.
U.S. EMBASSY STATEMENT ON RS REPORT ON SREBRENICA
|The substance and conclusions of the report issued September 3, 2002 by the RS Government Coordination Bureau for Liaison with the ICTY are simply false. The enormity of the crimes, committed against civilians in Srebrenica in July 1995, including genocide -- as established by the ICTY -- is simple truth. For any government office to maintain otherwise appears a crude attempt to manipulate and divide the public of this country.
We call on all responsible RS authorities to reject the contents of this report, and to demonstrate their commitment that justice be done in the prosecution of all war crimes committed in the former Yugoslavia. Only in this way can they serve the interests of all citizens of Bosnia and Herzegovina, including those in the RS.
"Well, Joan still believes us, anyway."
Joan...great post. Thanks for linking the september 2002 report. It'll be interesting to read the reactions from "BB" brains migrain, snapple and their ilk.
I've been called a "Serb-hater" a few times on these threads. Kind of amusing since my family can trace its Serbian roots back to the battle of Kosovo in 1389.
Well, maybe it is EUROPES worst event since WWII.
But I think Saddams 200,000 is worse.
You seem to be a knowledgeable person. Can you explain us how no male Bosnian Muslim died in Srebrenica of natural cause from 1992 to the fall of the enclave July 1995? This is quote a feat, having in mind that crude death rate for Bosnia in peacetime was 7/1000. For population of 20000+ during three year span natural cause death toll should ammount to 500+ or more due to adverse epidemiological effects.
How dead Srebrenicans managed to vote on OSCE-controlled elections a year later?
Shhhhhhh!!! The adults are talking here.
"Srebrenica's fall was very sudden. We were in our village when the attack began. There were strong points, strong defenses all around...
Around 7:30 in the evening, we got the news that women and children should go in one direction and that men should go in another direction because of the possibility of attack.
The order came from the brigade commander in Srebrenica and people followed that direction... About 11:15 P.M., the men started to get together and we went to a nearby village where the men were also gathering, I was with my family, friends, and neighbors. At one point, there were, I think, something like eighteen thousands men together in that one place...
People started leaving about 1:00 A.M. It wasn't our time to go until about 6:00 A.M....
We crossed the Serb line and it immediately became more difficult because we were in their territory...
The first attack came in Sitkovici...
I arrived in Tuzla on the seventh day...
I found my wife and child at the airport in Tuzla...
My comments: The bulk of the separation of men from children was accomplished before the Serbs came, and done by orders of the acting commander (Bosnian Muslim) and the UN. Hamil Becirovic's estimation of 18,000 men gathered in a village is higher than most which usually range from 12,000 to 15,000. However, this shows that that many men had separated themselves, and the women had gone to the UN base by the thousands.
By the time the Serbs got there, only a small percentage of men or youths who didn't follow the orders would be at the UN base.
This soldier was puzzled, as were they others. He said: there were strong points, strong defenses all around. He was one of those soldiers who seemed to have left his position to gather in a "nearby village". No mention of Serbs being there as they gathered. No Serbs mentioned as arriving as they waited from 1:00 a.m - 6:00 a.m. to leave (the number of men was so large they had to leave in shifts). No mention of them encountering fighting with the Serbs until they "crossed the Serb line".
Sure hoplite...and the moon is made of green cheese too.
Srebrenica is an IQ test, Kimo.
Always has been around here, and it always will be.
Atta trained in Bosnia in 1999.
FRee Republic is a treasure trove of information of Al Qaeda activities in Bosnia. HAMBURG Cell, MADRID cell, and the most likely AMSTERDAM cell are linked to Bosnia.
As the saying goes, WHEN IN DOUBT, FOLLOW THE GOLDENCHAIN
Btw, is your nick this kind of Snapple?
It is not: Titini (Communist forces command of Croatian Tito) murdered thousands of Italians during the 42 days of their occupation of Trieste (May 1945)
Hundreds of thousands of ethic German civilians died during ethnic cleansing from their historical lands
Communists in Eastern Europe murdered hundreds of thousands of political opponents.
This is all known and documented historical fact. The question is: Why the guideline containing the fraudulent information ("the worst attrocity in Europe since WWII") is the part of EVERY report on Srebrenica? Why it is not contested?
This simple question opens the door for investigating the SREBRENICA CASE.
Meanwhile, back here on Planet Earth, I'm still waiting for the U.S. and the UN to get on their soapboxes and DEMAND an apology from the Croatian government they openly supported and ARMED during the '92-'95 civil war for the underreported (due to an anti-Serb agenda) and equally heinous ethnic cleansing of the Serbs from the Republic of Krajina on May 1, 1995. Thousands of Serb civilians were killed and hundreds of thousands were forced to flee for their lives during this horror, dubbed "Operation Flash" by the Croat government.
I'm sure anyday now the UN will try In Absentium the late Croatian dictator Franco Tudjman for his brutal actions in Krajina. Uh, huh. That'll happen right after hell freezes over and before a few dunderheads on this thread can get over their rabid hatred of the Serbian people and see that most every action we took in the former Yugoslavia in the '90's was a blunder.
At least noone brought up the national disgrace we call the Kosovo War, when we (meaning Klintoon) bombed and killed 2,100 civilians of Christian Serbia for the benefit of the infamous Islamo-Fascist terrorist organization known as the KLA.
Yes, it is. IQ is tricky, with questions above 115 about 20% get it right, above 130 about 3%.
The majority is below 101.
That sounds real useful--what sentence do you propose for a man who's been dead for 5 years?
we (meaning Klintoon) bombed and killed 2,100 civilians of Christian Serbia
No, "we" means the USA with funding provided by by Congress and moral backing from such as Governor Bush of Texas who backed the Kosovo intervention, but castigated Clinton for taking ground troops off the table.
And the total Yugoslav civilian casualties according to the study conducted by the decidedly not-sympathetic-to-the-USA Human Rights Watch were about 500. Here are some quotes from their study (Conducted with cooperation from Serbian authorities):
"Despite precautions, including the use of a higher percentage of precision-guided munitions than in any other major conflict in history, civilian casualties occurred. Human Rights Watch has conducted a thorough investigation of civilian deaths as a result of NATO action. On the basis of this investigation, Human Rights Watch has found that there were ninety separate incidents involving civilian deaths during the seventy-eight day bombing campaign. Some 500 Yugoslav civilians are known to have died in these incidents."
And over half of the casualties occurred in Kosovo, meaning as many as half of the civilian dead were of Albanian ethnicity, not Serbian.
"Attacks in Kosovo overall were more deadly-a third of the incidents account for more than half of the deaths...between 278 and 317 of the dead-between 56 and 60 percent of the total number of deaths-were in Kosovo. In Serbia, 201 civilians were killed (five in Vojvodina) and eight died in Montenegro"
BUSH: I supported the U.S. involvement in Kosovo, because I was afraid that the thug Mr. Milosevic would destabilize NATO. I felt it was in our strategic interest -- I thought it was in our strategic interest to become involved. I did not appreciate what the president did when he took ground troops off the table. I thought that was a -- I cannot imagine a commander-in-chief saying to an enemy, we're not going to use the full force of the United States to achieve an objective.
You're screen name is "DTA", right? Mine is "kimosabe". Slobo said he's going to use "Joan". Remember, blame everything on "islamofascists." There are lots of useful idiots our there we can get on our side. Ha-ha-ha-ha!
Gotta go now. Slobo & Mira are getting their oil voucher checks from Saddam today and I have to pick up my cut. By the way, nice hair.
"That sounds real useful--what sentence do you propose for a man who's been dead for 5 years?"
Retroactive international condemnation would do, and an apology from the U.S. and Eurpoean governments who provoked the UN into conflict with Serbia on behalf of the tyrant Tudjman.
A few other notes on your rabidly anti-Serb parade of lies:
a.) Wrong is wrong, whether committed by a Dem or a Pubbie. Yes, Klintoons criminal actions in Kosovo were supported by Bush and many members of the U.S. Congress. This is an eternal black mark on many otherwise fine records of public service.
b.) The total Yugolslav civilian casualties in the 1999 NATO/U.S. bombing were just over 2,100. My source is the official UN estimate for the bombing (the source is admittedly shaky, but the UN are no more or less an enemy of the U.S. than Human Rights Watch, heh heh). No stipulation is provided as to how many of those killed were in Serbia or...Serbia. I'm pleased to remind you that Kosovo was then and is still a province of Yugoslavia/Serbia, and was never a seperate nation.
c.) Bush was simply wrong about the so-called "threat" of Milosevic, as were many other good politicians practicing "politics that end at the waters edge" and informed only with the MSM's oft-false reports of atrocities in the region. 5 years on, they never found the mass graves that Clinton claimed provoked us into war against Serbia. Where are the 100,000 victims? The 10,000 victims? the 5,000 victims? The best report sofar of "mass graves" found in the region revealed that the sum total was just over 4,000 people, over 1,000 of which were SERBS, and no way to identify who were soldiers and who were civilians.
Oh, but Milosevic (and his band of Christian soldiers who dared,DARED to fight the encroachment of radical Islam and the KLA into Serbia) was a "bad man", so that's justification enough. You want to believe that, then I'll let you. On those grounds, I guess I can patiently await the bombing of far worse Muslim tyrants in Sudan, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Nigeria, etc., all of which I'm sure you'll avidly support.
Right mark? Mark? Mohammed? (echo) (echo).
Post it on here & lets all see it. UN documents are on the web, but the one youre talking about may be somewhat obscure. After all, the ICTY, a subordinate organization of the UN, used no such Official UN Estimate when it was required to rule on the legality of NATO action. Instead it used the Human Rights Watch figure of 500 civilian deaths as corroborated by the 495 deaths recorded in the FRY Ministry of Foreign Affairs publication NATO Crimes in Yugoslavia. Look at paragraph 53.
Bottom line: every innocent civilian death is a tragedy, but given the total number of sorties; our Air Force, Navy, and Marine pilots did a wonderful job of hitting their designated targets while avoiding civilian casualties. Just like Saddams Baby Milk Factory, the Serbs were propagandizing as hard as they could to discredit our airmen and gain sympathy from the gullible.
Well, Kosovo was a part of the Ottoman Empire invaded by Serbia in the first Balkan War in 1912-13. Although it had not been part of Serbia for almost 500 years at that point, it was severed from the rest of the Albanian populated lands and awarded to Serbia by the Great Powers as part of the post-war settlement. The Albanians had been in revolt against the Ottomans just prior to then and, when the Serbs took over, the revolt started up again and in one form or another has continued for the next 80+ years. To the Albanians, the Serbs are occupiers and oppressors who were unjustly awarded possession of Kosovo in violation of the principle of self-determination.
You can say that happened 90 years agoget over it. But, of course, the Serbs based their claim on events of five centuries ago. Memories are long in the Balkans.
As to encroachment into Serbia, see the post above.
As to radical Islam, thats a joke. The elected president of Kosovo is a Catholic. The Albanians are decidedly secular as I and everyone else whos actually been there knows. When bin Laden sent his emissary to Kosovo in 1998, he was arrested in Albania and heres a news report on what happened: He [Al Kader] confessed to being a member of one of bin Ladens groups and told investigators he had been sent to give weapons to the guerrillas of the Kosovo Liberation Army, then beginning their war against the Serbs. The KLA had promised US officials it would not co-operate with fundamentalists. Mr Kader said the KLA had turned him down and that he had returned to Albania, still with his weapons.
So, yeah, in between drinking raki, refusing to take bin Laden's weapons, ogling the girls in mini-skirts, and volunteering at our consulate in Pristina to go fight the Taliban , those guys are real Islamists. Serb propagandists are selling the "Islamist" angle very hard, counting on the lack of first hand knowledge most people have of the real situation in the Balkans combined with our war on Islamist terrorism to gain them sympathy & support. It does seem to work on some folks.
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