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BULLY PULPIT (Matthew Shepard "Hate Crime" or Mugging)
New York Post ^ | 11/11/04

Posted on 11/11/2004 12:41:00 AM PST by kattracks

ABC is preparing a major investigation of the Matthew Shepard gay-bashing murder that contends it may not have been a hate crime — but a mugging gone wrong.

Friends and family of Shepard — who became a national symbol of the senseless violence against gays — as well as gay activists are upset about the report, scheduled to air on "20/20" later this month.

[snip]

In a press release promoting the show, ABC promised "surprising revelations, including Laramie's underground world of methamphetamine use that may have contributed to the crime and whether or not Shepard knew his killers."

"ABC News' press release about this show definitely raised our eyebrows, and we'll be watching," said Joan M. Garry, Executive Director, Gay & Lesbian Alliance against Defamation.

According to one person who has seen a rough of the episode, "20/20" raises the possibility that Shepard was mugged for his money, not because he was gay.

[snip]

"The murder of Matthew Shepard was and is a heinous and viscous crime," ABC News spokesman Jeffrey Schneider says.

"Exploring and re-examining the facts around that murder in a very thoughtful and in-depth way is the very essence of responsible journalism. This new information in no way diminishes the importance of the national conversation that took place after Matthew Shepard's murder."


(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: biasinthemedia; hatecrime; homosexualagenda; homosexuallist; matthewshepard; matthewshephard; matthewsheppard; mediabias; orwell; thoughtpolice

1 posted on 11/11/2004 12:41:00 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks

Oooh... do you think they'll change "Matthew Shepard Square" in North Hollywood (which is actually a triangle) based on this?


2 posted on 11/11/2004 12:45:02 AM PST by Nice50BMG (Bush won the Cold War against the 1960's hippies.)
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To: Nice50BMG

Naaaa.

He made the "Fag of the Month Club". Leftists never admit they're wrong.


3 posted on 11/11/2004 12:48:11 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: clee1

I hate the whole concept of "hate crime" legislation. A crime is a crime.


4 posted on 11/11/2004 12:51:14 AM PST by squidward
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To: kattracks

ABC? not FOX? Did I just hear that Satan has asked for earmuffs.


5 posted on 11/11/2004 12:53:45 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: kattracks

Still, a human life is a human life. What he did in the bedroom was his personal business, and what he was murdered for--homosexuality or a crime gone awry--is between him and his killers.

Sometimes I begin to see why so many people take a negative view towards the GOP.....


6 posted on 11/11/2004 1:01:08 AM PST by Tuba-Dude (Proud Republitarian - the elephant needs a big tent to house it.)
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To: kattracks
His murder was horrible. So are all murders. Hate crimes legislation is one of the more ridiculous liberal concepts, pushed by some conservatives who think it will make those who hate us like us. It won't.

The fact that the left has to bring up this poor guy's name to "prove" how tough gays have got it is proof how Americans in fact don't give a damn what people do as long as they keep it private. ONE guy killed because he was gay proves what? That gays being killed for that is incredibly rare.

7 posted on 11/11/2004 1:03:31 AM PST by Darkwolf377
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To: squidward

I agree.

But to a leftist, the "reason" you committed a crime is as important as the crime itself.


8 posted on 11/11/2004 1:04:07 AM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: Tuba-Dude
what he was murdered for--homosexuality or a crime gone awry--is between him and his killers.

Actually, it's not. Whether he was murdered for homosexuality, is a matter for law enforcement and the judicial system.

It's the thought-crime aspect of "hate crime," and that it matters which "group" hate is condoned/not condoned by the judicial system that causes this republican to take a negative view of the whole incident.

9 posted on 11/11/2004 1:08:22 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: Tuba-Dude

"Sometimes I begin to see why so many people take a negative view towards the GOP....."

As you astutely point out prior to disagreeing with yourself -the why is not relevant...

-if the position is incorrect IT is incorrect -sympathy aside...


10 posted on 11/11/2004 1:11:02 AM PST by DBeers
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To: Tuba-Dude
.... and what he was murdered for--homosexuality or a crime gone awry--is between him and his killers.

No, it's not. It's an issue that has a cultural impact and may go to show that labeling his murder as a "hate crime" rather than a mugging gone wrong was done to further an agenda.

BTW, what has this got to do with the GOP?

11 posted on 11/11/2004 1:13:13 AM PST by kattracks
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To: D-fendr

There is almost no violence against "gays" in this country. On the other hand, "gays" do tremendous psychological violence against the innocents that they seduce.


12 posted on 11/11/2004 1:13:17 AM PST by ReadyNow (When you see the eye, expect a lie!)
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To: kattracks

Sorry, didn't necessarily mean to ping the comment straight to you...

But I just get irked when comments turn to those similar to that of clee1's. And yes, Virginia, there are targeted crimes--but there are against every group, gays, whites, blacks, economic differences, etc. alike. It's just a matter of some douchebag finding an excuse to go out and bash someone.

Ultimately, I do agree that "hate crime legislation" isn't the way to go. To me, a murder is a murder, regardless of motive, and those sentenced should always get life without parole or a death sentence.


13 posted on 11/11/2004 1:19:04 AM PST by Tuba-Dude (Proud Republitarian - the elephant needs a big tent to house it.)
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To: Tuba-Dude
What he did in the bedroom was his personal business, and what he was murdered for--homosexuality or a crime gone awry--is between him and his killers.

Not any more. That used to be the case but it's clearly not when it's written into the law and makes a difference in the punishment for the crime. It's also not between him and them when the gay lobby shoves the idea that straight people are vicious homophobes down our collective throats.

14 posted on 11/11/2004 1:20:13 AM PST by Bob
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To: kattracks
It's about time someone acknowledged what I have known for years.

From a thread I authored April 19, 2001:


The more you learn about the Matthew Shepard killing, the less it looks like a hate crime. All the evidence points to the truth being that Shepard was chosen because to rob because he could be relied upon to jump in the truck that Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson were riding in.

Important to consider is that McKinney and Henderson got into a fight with a some Hispanic teens later that evening, and it was McKinney's pistol-whipping of one of them that led police investigating that assault to the pistol-whipping murder of Shepard. McKinney was not charged with a hate crime in that incident, if he was charged at all.

The idea that the killing of Shepard was some sort of 'threatening message to the community' -- which used to be the narrow criteria separating "hate crime" from run-of-the-mill "crime" -- falls apart when you examine the case. Henderson -- who confessed and implicated McKinney as the one who initiated the attack that killed Shepard -- said that McKinney whacked Shepard in the skull with his gun after Shepard was still able to read the license plate number of the truck -- as he was ordered to do by McKinney. No anti-gay slurs were reported during the attack, according to all witness accounts that I have read. The "hate crime" charge hangs on the slim thread of the killers' use of anti-gay slurs when recounting the murder to their girlfriends (both were charged with being accessories after the fact and pleaded guilty to reduced charges).

The so-called "gay panic" defense that McKinney and his counsel came up with was blocked by the judge. In Wyoming, there are restrictions on diminished capacity defenses. Still, chances are the strategy probably would not have survived serious examination, considering that we now know that McKinney's insistence that Shepard had groped him was contradicted by his videotaped confession to the beating death.

It is not impossible that Shepard's killing was out of "hate," but we will never really know. That's because part of the bargain that saved Aaron McKinney from execution in that case was his agreement not to discuss the case -- a "self-imposed" gag order at the insistence of Shepard's parents and at the threat of life on Wyoming's death row. This was not just a prevention of Henderson potentially profiting from his crime, a la Mumia Abu-Jamal and John Wayne Gacy -- he can't even talk about the murder to a reporter for free.

That post-trial, post-sentencing gag order is surely a First Amendment violation, but it likely will never make it to the SCOTUS...or the front page of the NY Times, either.


I would be shocked if John Stossel wasn't behind this. And if not, even better -- it would mean that there is more than one reporter at ABC News that can think without Marc Halperin's assistance.

15 posted on 11/11/2004 1:34:18 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Despite all your rage, you are still Democrats in a cage!)
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To: Bob
You are correct. Did a quick search to see if the article about Matthew Shepard having aids was still around. It has been "sanitized" from the net. But let's consider that he had aids, (years ago article said his mother knew) and how many people did he possibly have sex with? Those that he may have had sex with, also were "murdered".

The gay lobby doesn't care about his death - it's another tool in their tool box to shove in our faces in promoting the agenda. If it gets unspun by the truth coming out, they'll scream till hell freezes over.
16 posted on 11/11/2004 1:35:56 AM PST by Issaquahking (Hat trick! Bush won, Dasshole dethroned, Arafat "trying" to remain dead. Can't wait for next week!)
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To: kattracks

ABC will no doubt conclude that it was indeed a hate crime.


17 posted on 11/11/2004 1:54:08 AM PST by StoneFury (The only thing hippies understand is the fist)
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To: Tuba-Dude
What he did in the bedroom was his personal business, and what he was murdered for--homosexuality or a crime gone awry--is between him and his killers.

First, they were not in a bedroom and homos don't want to keep their homosexuality in the bedroom, that is just a lie they tell. This was a murder by some murderers, plain and simple.

Second, some want to make this a special murder because the kid was homosexual and they want to use him politically.

Third, outrageous sexual abuse lifestyles by the homosexual culture has spread enormous amounts of STDs, including AIDS and killed a lot more people than these murderers did.

If these people really cared about saving lives they would act differently, they didn't even want to shut down the aids-spreading bath houses to save lives. This shows them as the hypocrites they are. Don't blame the GOP...sheesh.

18 posted on 11/11/2004 2:08:20 AM PST by OriginalIntent (Clinton only fooled the ignorant and the lazy.)
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To: Tuba-Dude

< Still, a human life is a human life. What he did in the bedroom was his personal business, and what he was murdered for--homosexuality or a crime gone awry--is between him and his killers. >

You are missing the point here. Yes, murder is murder and a crime is a crime.

The point is that a "hate" crime has officially been declared a "greater" crime. If why he was murdered is "between him and his killers" then how could it be determined to be a "hate" crime? You just made the conservatives point.


19 posted on 11/11/2004 3:08:49 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Can I git me some morals here?)
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To: kattracks

"The murder of Matthew Shepard was and is a heinous and viscous crime," ABC News spokesman Jeffrey Schneider says.




I hates them "viscious" crimes the worst.


20 posted on 11/11/2004 3:12:48 AM PST by Drunken Lout
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To: kattracks

hate crime laws are a liberal feel good joke..

ive always wondered by what measure a prosecutor/judge/etc is able to determine if the perp "hated" the victim or "really really really really didnt like" him/her.....

whats next... "aggressively pissed off" or "moderately annoyed" crimes?


21 posted on 11/11/2004 3:50:03 AM PST by Goodwillhntg (GW.... GODS WISDOM!!)
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To: Tuba-Dude
Still, a human life is a human life. What he did in the bedroom was his personal business, and what he was murdered for--homosexuality or a crime gone awry--is between him and his killers. Sometimes I begin to see why so many people take a negative view towards the GOP.....

Ah, but there's the rub.

Did his killers deserve to be punished more if they killed him for being gay than if they killed him for his money?

Is it really so hard to see the point?

Maybe the sentences should be reviewed and reduced if there is a reasonable doubt that they killed him for his sexual habits.
22 posted on 11/11/2004 4:25:19 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: kattracks
This is definitely gonna rile the libs.

Here they have their martyr, Saint Matt (complete with the little halo) and mean ol' ABC threatens to upset the applecart with some facts.

This should be a great story to follow.
23 posted on 11/11/2004 4:29:58 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: kattracks

My now deceased father knew the Shepard family in Casper. He said the whole family loved the PR that came with Matthew being a homosexual activist.


24 posted on 11/11/2004 4:35:44 AM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: kattracks

We ALL know about Mathew Shephard. Where are the stories and movies and activists for Jesse Dirkhising?


25 posted on 11/11/2004 5:36:21 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Shoot low boys, they're ridin' Shetland ponies)
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To: Tuba-Dude
[W]hat he was murdered for ... is between him and his killers.
BINGO!!!
26 posted on 11/11/2004 10:14:38 AM PST by eastsider
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To: kattracks
Also from the article:

"The murder of Matthew Shepard was and is a heinous and viscous crime," ABC News spokesman Jeffrey Schneider says.

From Encarta:

vis·cous [ vískess ]

adjective 
1. thick and sticky: thick and sticky, reluctant to flow, and difficult to stir

2. physics having relatively high viscosity: used to describe a fluid that has a relatively high resistance to flow

[14th century. From late Latin viscosus  “sticky,” from Latin viscum  “mistletoe, birdlime made from mistletoe berries,” of uncertain origin.]


27 posted on 11/11/2004 11:56:06 AM PST by xjcsa (Everything matters if anything matters at all...)
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To: L.N. Smithee

Great post. It looks like you were three years ahead of ABC on this. BTW, Andrew Sullivan on Chris Matthews Sunday show said something was going to come out about this case shortly.


28 posted on 11/14/2004 4:50:48 PM PST by Teslas Pigeon
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To: L.N. Smithee

Additionally, some maintain that Shepard had a propensity for putting himself in danger. Paglia wrote at length about this. I guess he thought that he was in for more of an adventure than just being robbed, and less of one than being killed.


29 posted on 11/14/2004 5:35:55 PM PST by Poincare
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
20/20 investigation probes Matthew Shepard murder
Was Matthew Shepard just a robbery victim?
Matthew Shepard's killers talk to ABC
Gay anger over Shepard news report
 
The segment is scheduled to air Nov. 26.

30 posted on 11/14/2004 6:13:24 PM PST by Coleus (God gave us the right to life and self preservation and a right to defend ourselves and families)
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Jessie Dirkhising, RIP

Homosexual Agenda/Media Bias Alert

http://home.arkansasusa.com/dlackey/dirkhisingreport.htm
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2001/jesse.html
http://www.aim.org/publications/media_monitor/2001/04/6.html
http://www.aim.org/publications/weekly_column/1999/12/02.htm
http://www.alliance4lifemin.org/jessedirkhising.html
http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/Archive/CUL19991110c.html
http://www.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/fastfacts/HateCrimes2.pdf
http://www.gregoryhand.com/2001archive/031401.html
http://www.inoohr.org/jessed.htm
http://www.worthynews.com/commentary/jesse-double-standard.html
http://www.rightgrrl.com/2001/jesse.shtml


31 posted on 11/14/2004 6:21:08 PM PST by Coleus (God gave us the right to life and self preservation and a right to defend ourselves and families)
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To: Tuba-Dude

The point is that the alleged "reason" for the crime was spurious.

It turns out (per ABC) that the REAL reason for the crime was that the kid was a dealer and had a lot of cash on him; the fact that he was a queer was secondary--and only came into play after he attempted to put the make on one of his captors.

He was robbed, then killed. The "queer martyr" stuff is poppycock.

In order, then: Matthew was a criminal drug dealer. Matthew had a lot of cash, and was a robbery target. His captors thought he could ID them and they were nervous. They killed him.

Drug-related criminal activity, wholly unexceptionable. Not a story until the QueerBrigades MADE it a story.


32 posted on 11/15/2004 5:01:07 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ReadyNow

Actually, there is a great deal of violence against queers in this country. Usually, however, it is queer-on-queer violence, as careful documentation proves.

But the MSM does NOT report it that way; usually, "lovers' spats' which turn violent or fatal are simply reported as murders or beatings. The queer relationships which were the predicate are rarely brought out.

It's the agenda, stupid...


33 posted on 11/15/2004 5:03:48 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: L.N. Smithee
it would mean that there is more than one reporter at ABC News that can think without Marc Halperin's assistance.

Edited for accuracy

34 posted on 11/15/2004 5:06:22 AM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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