Skip to comments.Operation Phantom Fury-----Day 5----Live thread
Posted on 11/12/2004 6:45:46 AM PST by TexKat
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Scrolll down and click on Fallujah footage below if its Reuters you are talking about.
HA! It takes more than those people to bring me down.
Now, when our guys come back from Fallujah...that'll be a great day! :-)
Then they won't mind us dropping that ratio a few percentage points!
Exactly right... there was a belated attempt to find a political solution to the fighting in Falluja. It initially appeared to have worked but later collapsed as the so-called Fajulla-Brigade melted into the hostile population (or deserted).
The MSM asks: Where are all these insurgents?
I ask: Where are the 100,000 civilians? Answer: any smart civilian left a long time ago...
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"I get steamed whenever I hear this lie repeated. "
Me too! Like those dirt bags could ever fight Marines to a stand still.
thanks for the ping. some great new pictures! for a 42 year old prairie chicken - i sure wish i was there with my 223 varmit gun helping out.. these Marines are enjoying themselves and they make me smile and outright laugh..
by the way - what does "frog out!" mean in Marine lingo? like "hop to it" ?
wishful thinking - maybe alZarqaword taped that before he was cornered? i had high hopes they would dig his corpse from the wreckage.... but most likely he is following in the brave sandle steps of his heroes - Saddam and OBL, and is hiding like the sniveling coward he is in, in a hole somewhere..
but i'm guessing there will be a surviver or two who might be "persuaded" (maybe some panties on the head?) to rat on the leader rat though - like the rats who ratted on Saddam.. and tell the Coalition where the rat holes are located..
i really like the picture of the rats in the pillow cases being hauled around by the scruff of their necks by our really BIG guys.. :) but the ones getting the boot are even sweeter to see..
man oh man.... awesome US Military!! God bless you guys!
News of ambush this morning..using armor piercing grenades..Went through tank and took the left arm off an American soldier..managed to rescue him under tremendous fire..These are more organized fighters..and fighting to the death..
There is more than one video to that link, you have to click on the one entitled Fierce Fighting in Fallujah.
bump 4 later...
I don't know what it means sd. Maybe we can get some of our Marine freepers to help us out with "frog out".
By Terry Friel
NEAR FALLUJA, Iraq (Reuters) - Twenty-two American troops have been killed and 170 wounded in the four-day assault on Falluja that has seen U.S. forces take about 80 percent of the rebel city so far, a U.S. Marine general said on Friday.
Lieutenant General Thomas Sattler, commander of the offensive, said five Iraqis had also been killed in the operation launched in a blaze of artillery fire on Monday. But U.S. forces were still conducting house-to-house searches for insurgents.
"We occupy about 80 percent of the city right now," Sattler told reporters at a U.S. base on the edge of Falluja. "There is much clearing to be done even though we occupy about 80 percent."
U.S.-led troops battling to take control ran into areas of fierce resistance on Friday as aid agencies pressed for access to get food and water to needy civilians trapped inside.
Hours after the U.S. Marines said insurgents were penned into the south of Falluja, a battle erupted in the northwest of the Sunni Muslim city, a nerve-center of guerrilla activity.
Sattler said U.S.-led forces had gained the upper hand in the battle, killing about 600 insurgents and capturing 150 during the assault, including at least a dozen foreigners, ten of whom were believed to be from neighboring Iran.
Iraqi officials say foreign Islamic militants are behind much of the bloodshed gripping Iraq, many of them based in Falluja, and have vowed to crush the insurgency ahead of elections scheduled for January.
Loyalists to the former regime and militant nationalists are believed to form the core of the insurgency, which has raged in Iraq since shortly after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
"Our goal right now, we feel we've broken their back and their spirit, is to keep the heat on them," Sattler said of the militants still holed in Falluja, known as the city of mosques.
"The operation is going extremely well and we will continue to press the enemy until we have in fact returned Falluja to the Fallujans."
He said about 300 people had negotiated their surrender on Friday at mosque in the city, 50 km (32 miles) west of Baghdad, but U.S.-led forces were trying to ascertain how many of them were fighters and how many civilians.
The U.S. military acknowledges insurgent leaders and other militants may have fled before the attack -- especially since it was clear for nearly a month before the offensive that it would happen -- but says those who remain are cornered.
"They are foreigners. They were not invited to come to Iraq and we want them out of here," Thaer al-Naqib, a spokesman for Iraq's interim prime minister, told reporters.
Actually, collateral damage is NECESSARY for us to win this war - like all wars. An enemy must be completely demoralized to finally throw in the towel. World War I, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I are all examples of where we did not do this. On the other hand, the Civil War and World War II are examples of where we DID follow this protocol. Germany and Japan gave up the ghost (and had no serious post war "insurgencies") when women and children and other innocents were scared sh*tless.
One thing I think is dumb, why are they sending the men back into the city and not putting them in a holding camp? Won't they just go back in and pick up a gun and fight to the death ?
um... yeah? - to the death is good. better dead. our Commaders are winnowing the chalf.. let the women and children and old men through.. the men go back in and either wait it out - or - fight to the death. sounds like a good plan to me.
It's "frag out". Its called when a live grenade has been thrown.
lol.. you'd think the reporter would have caught that..
good grief the embeds are dim wits...
thank you! still chuckling.. picturing Marines yelling "FROG OUT!"
oops - looks like I was a little late... FReegards...
thanks Jarhead ... a double witness is totally Biblical..
or double confirmation..
something reporters lack when they tell their stories..
Yes, but my pic was 100% collateral damage... all non combatants.
Have you ever seen an Islamist admit defeat?
Notice the bridge in the background. I love this picture.
I say this while asking forgiveness, but what would happen to our guys if the shoe was on the other foot should happen to the terror mongering jihadist that they are sending back into the city.
Did you not know that the Islamist is in a win win situation.
Either they live and claim to have killed the infidel - a win
or they are killed, they died for the cause, a martyr - a win.
Best solution is throw women panties over their heads and let them parade around for awhile in humiliation and then send them on to meet their akbar.
Thanks finnman69 for the link. I looked at Sites MSNBC area earlier but it had no updates.
Pass the word around in Iraq.
We reproach Sistani for not officially taking a position on the offensive......
in an unofficial reply, sistani said it's ok to rid our land of the oppresive Sunnis
By EDWARD HARRIS, Associated Press Writer
FALLUJAH, Iraq - Trooping past bodies and abandoned weapons, U.S. Marines blasted their way through walls and hammered open doors Friday in the hunt for insurgents in Fallujah. On the Muslim holy day, no calls to prayer were heard in a town dubbed "the city of mosques."
As the main offensive pushed into the southern part of the city, Marines scoured a northern district looking for fighters hiding behind the front line.
"What we're doing now is killing any that snuck in behind us or we might have missed earlier. And blowing up weapons caches," said 2nd Lt. Adrian Pirvu, 22, of Dearborn, Mich., leading a patrol from the 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment.
Explosions began rocking Fallujah at dawn and U.S. warplanes swooped out of the sky to blast targets with machine-gun fire. Howitzer and mortar shells slammed into the city, flinging chunks of shrapnel hundreds of yards.
"Damn, flying Harleys!" one of the Marines quipped as one piece of steel whirred overhead.
Heavy gunfire could be heard across the city of low, yellow-brick buildings silhouetted by tall minarets from mosques. The few civilians in the streets were outnumbered by dogs and cats skittish from the sounds of combat.
Avoiding narrow alleys that can be turned into deathtraps by guerrillas, the Marines moved through the neighborhood by using plastic explosives and blasting cord to knock down doors and tear open walls connecting darkened homes. They also leaped from roof to roof, carrying a sledgehammer to break open locked, metal doors leading down into buildings.
In one house, they found two bodies in a room scattered with AK-47 assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenade launchers. The two men, limbs stiff in the rictus of death, apparently died in combat earlier in the week when the U.S. offensive pushed through.
"The terrorists, they deserve it," said Lance Cpl. Freddy Ramosavila, 22, of Commerce City, Colo. "Better them than me. They're killing us, too."
Marines said the fight had been easier, and faster, than they expected.
Officers estimated between 1,000 and 5,000 fighters were holed up in Fallujah when the attack began early Monday after a heavy artillery bombardment that collapsed some buildings and spattered shrapnel into others.
"I don't know if they ran, but you can see all the weapons on the ground," Cpl. Jeremy Mueller said, referring to the ammunition boxes, body armor, grenades and rifles lying in doorways on many streets.
"I guess they're pulling back into the center of the city, where they must have stockpiles. But they won't carry their guns, because they know if we see them, we'll shoot them," said the 23-year-old from Steelville, Ill.
As they moved from building to building, the Marines checked through cupboards and drawers, looking for weapons and ammunition, but more often coming across the mundane of daily life, including family photos and prayer beads.
Early Friday, a group of eight Iraqi civilians waved a green flag of surrender at the patrol, which herded the group together for transfer off the battlefield.
"We're not animals. When we come across innocents, we try to hook them up," said Pirvu, the commander.
They also captured a man in a white dishdasha robe who they said shot at them the previous evening.
Although U.S. commanders have warned that capturing Fallujah won't immediately break the resistance, they hope stepped-up offensives against insurgents will spread security and increase the chances for successful elections planned for January.
Pirvu's Marines see themselves as advancing democracy's cause, by delivering Fallujah back into the hands of Iraq's interim government.
"You can't have a democracy across the country but, OK, not this city and not this city. That's why we're taking the city," the lieutenant said. "Imagine elections where you say, for example, Alabama can't vote?"
here you all are.. been looking on & off today for live thread..
gotta catch up on news.
great pix thanks oxen..
Oxen, tex, anyone.. why are there still women & children in area? I thought they were all ordered to leave.
Why are we taking prisoners?
US marines from the 3/5 Lima company encounter a group of men, women and children in the Jolan district of Fallujah. US marines barged house-by-house through Fallujah finding everything from corpses and weapons to hostages.(AFP/Patrick Baz)
Iraqi men mourn the death of a relative killed during clashes in Samarra, November 12, 2004. In the past four days, there has been a step up in violence across the Sunni Muslim heartland of the country, including the towns Baquba, Samarra, Tikrit, Ramadi and parts of Baghdad. REUTERS/str
We just received news of a friend's son who lost his life. It makes one pause to think about how easy it is for all of us to comment from our armchairs while these young men and women are so far from home. Payers to our soldiers...prayers to you and your families. Stay safe.
You're supposed to take your shoes off inside a mosque, hehehe;)
Baghdad Bob always cheers me up. Where is that moron?
I'll pray for Dean Sadek.
...or a "lay"still.
Probably a lot less than the pinheads expect. Marines are taught marksmanship skills beyond any other service in bootcamp.
I have a question...
If, as the liberals claim, these terrorists are freedom fighters living in caves, eating leather, drinking their own piss, etc...
How in the name of sweet fanny adams are they able to hear a tape from their fearless leader?
Someone please come up with a good answer.
Woodstock I am sorry to hear that. I am sorry to hear when any of our sons and daughters lose their lives in this battle for freedom. Please relay my, out condolences to the family and love ones of your friend's son.
It makes one pause to think about how easy it is for all of us to comment from our armchairs while these young men and women are so far from home.
Correction: It is not easy, not in the least to watch and hear what is happening in Iraq. A lot of us either have someone or had someome and some of us will have our love ones returning to the battlefield.
It is more of concern for those that have chosen to physically fight the battle for our continued freedom and the freedom for others, it is more about the war against Islamic extremeist.
May God bless and comfort your friend. My heart weeps for them.
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