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Dutch Muslims Fear Backlash From Murder
Las Vegas Sun ^ | November 12, 2004 at 13:08:58 PST | ANTHONY DEUTSCH

Posted on 11/12/2004 6:23:42 PM PST by Ginifer

The Muslim woman adjusted her head scarf and gazed wearily at her daughters' elementary school Friday, one of many Islamic sites attacked since a Muslim radical allegedly murdered a Dutch filmmaker who criticized Islam.

An explosion earlier in the week not only shattered windows and doors - it damaged the Muslim community's faith in the tolerance of their neighbors.

One mother said the attack made her afraid. "I always thought the Netherlands was the safest place in the whole world, but if you see all that's happening, I don't know anymore," said the woman, who didn't want to be quoted by name for fear of reprisals. "I didn't know what to tell my daughter. She asked me: `Mommy, why us? All we did was go to school.'"

In Amsterdam, meanwhile, Queen Beatrix made her first public appearance since the slaying of Theo van Gogh and sought to assuage Muslims' anxieties by reaching out to Islamic youths.

One woman who met the monarch, 26-year-old Naziha Daoudi, said she had not felt safe on the streets since the Nov. 2 killing.

"We have to watch a lot of Dutch people watching us like we're criminals," said Daoudi, who works at the Argan Moroccan youth center. "The Dutch community doesn't know much about Islam. They think (Muslims) are all the same."

The arrest of Muslim militant Mohammed Bouyeri, 26, as the main suspect in the killing has been followed by what seems to be a cycle of retaliation between Christian and Muslim extremists. A half-dozen arson attacks on Muslim buildings were answered by fire bombings that caused minor damage at churches in Rotterdam, Utrecht and Amersfoort.

After Monday's pre-dawn attack on the Islamic school in this sprawling southern industrial city of 200,000 people, another Muslim school was gutted by fire in the town of Uden. On Wednesday, Dutch youths brawled with Turks and Moroccans in the first direct ethnic confrontation since Van Gogh's murder.

For Muslims, the conservative government's reaction to the slaying has been almost as disturbing as the violence: Officials have moved swiftly to tighten controls on the nation's Islamic minority.

On Friday, parliament asked the government to draft legislation that would compel Dutch mosques to employ only imams who have studied Islam in the Netherlands. Legislators are also considering laws that would enable the closure of mosques that spread non-Dutch values.

Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende promised "a hard-line approach to those who want to wreck" Dutch society. He also pledged more money to combat terrorist groups, stricter monitoring of foreign funding for Holland's roughly 500 mosques, and new government powers to revoke Dutch nationality for terrorism suspects with dual citizenship.

As legislators met in The Hague, hundreds of neighbors, students and parents of children who attend Eindhoven's damaged Tarieq Ibnu Zyad Islamic school staged a protest against anti-Muslim violence.

"Because the killer is a Muslim from Morocco all Muslims are now being blamed for the act of one person," said one father, who also feared being quoted by name.

Wisam Akhzane, 11, nervously clung to a friend's jacket when talking about the attack. "I hope everything gets better. I'm really sad and my family is very worried about what's happening."

Ethnic tensions have become increasingly evident in recent years. About 6 percent of the Netherlands' 16 million people are Muslim, and the proportion is around a third in major cities like Rotterdam, Amsterdam and The Hague.

Van Gogh, whose movie "Submission" sharply criticized the treatment of women under Islam and who aimed other criticisms at Muslim, was stabbed and shot to death on an Amsterdam street. Authorities claim Bouyeri, a Dutch-Moroccan charged in the killing, was part of a radical Muslim network.

Anti-terror squads have made dozens of arrests in recent days, claiming to have picked up members of an international terrorist network with ties to the Van Gogh case. An Amsterdam court on Friday extended the detention of five other alleged conspirators.

Officials also said Friday that a 43-year-old Syrian believed to be the head of an Amsterdam terror cell had eluded arrest. The Syrian's name was not released, but he was said to have stayed at Bouyeri's home and led spiritual meetings there.

Younes Abiyaala, 21, of the Argan Moroccan youth center in Amsterdam, said that every time a Moroccan is accused of a crime, he feels many Dutch people blame all Moroccans.

"Personally, I'm tired that every time I have to give answers," he said. "Please open your eyes ... We are one community and one people, and we have to overcome this together."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: muslims; netherlands; theovangogh
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Guess it's only horrible when the shoe is on the other foot.
1 posted on 11/12/2004 6:23:42 PM PST by Ginifer
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To: Ginifer

Yo...Dutch Muslims..."No sh!t, Sherlock...welcome to the real world.


2 posted on 11/12/2004 6:25:31 PM PST by weenie (This is a war between the forces of good and evil. Humans are only pawns.)
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To: Ginifer

These folks can reduce the sense of personal tension by returning to their homelands.


3 posted on 11/12/2004 6:25:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Ginifer

Quote: ""We have to watch a lot of Dutch people watching us like we're criminals," said Daoudi, who works at the Argan Moroccan youth center. "The Dutch community doesn't know much about Islam. They think (Muslims) are all the same."

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Well, was there any organized Muslim outcry or protests over this killing?

None that made it to press as far as I can tell.


4 posted on 11/12/2004 6:26:13 PM PST by konaice
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To: Ginifer

Welcome to the world they have created.


5 posted on 11/12/2004 6:26:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (I come swinging the olive branch of peace.)
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To: Ginifer

Fear works both ways. Deal with it.


6 posted on 11/12/2004 6:26:16 PM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Ginifer

I don't notice any grief for Van Gogh's murder, just grief that the Dutch don't seem quite so friendly.


7 posted on 11/12/2004 6:26:27 PM PST by xJones
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To: Ginifer
Mommy, why us?

Because we are Muslims, dear. It's just like us hating the Jews. You know, the hatred that you learn to do in school.

8 posted on 11/12/2004 6:26:36 PM PST by ReadyNow (When you see the eye, expect a lie!)
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To: Ginifer

"The Dutch community doesn't know much about Islam. They think (Muslims) are all the same."

DUH
maybe their finaly waking up, Burka Biach


9 posted on 11/12/2004 6:28:06 PM PST by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: ReadyNow
"Got Hate"

...it's a Muslim thing...

10 posted on 11/12/2004 6:28:14 PM PST by weenie (This is a war between the forces of good and evil. Humans are only pawns.)
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To: Ginifer

Hope their a$$ they fear backlash. Now maybe they'll police their own ranks.


11 posted on 11/12/2004 6:28:15 PM PST by x1stcav
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To: Ginifer

Someone in the Netherlands should crank up Pink Floyd's "You Better Run." That'll get their attention all the more.


12 posted on 11/12/2004 6:28:46 PM PST by Shqipo (The gloves are on and the corners are empty.)
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To: Ginifer

Gee, Ya' Think!?!

It's about time they started to learn that they can't act like savages and assume it's a one-way street when it comes to Western Culture.

Not only the Netherlands, but soon enough France and Germany will all have very tough decisions to make - fight back against this brutal intolerance of this "religion of peace" or kiss their culture and society farewell.

Only then will they appreciate and understand what the United States, Britain, Poland and our other steadfast allies have been fighting for.


13 posted on 11/12/2004 6:29:34 PM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (The Measure of a Man is the Willingness to Accept Responsibility for Consequences of his Acts.)
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To: Ginifer

Has anyone noticed that whenever there is some new Islamic outrage, the only thing we hear from them is fear of reprisals, not remorse over what was done?


15 posted on 11/12/2004 6:30:03 PM PST by ambrose
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To: Ginifer
Dutch Muslims Fear Backlash From Murder

Be afraid! Be very afraid!

16 posted on 11/12/2004 6:30:24 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: Ginifer
"I always thought the Netherlands was the safest place in the whole world"

You thought wrong. Now get the hell out.

17 posted on 11/12/2004 6:30:31 PM PST by montag813
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To: Ginifer

"We have to watch a lot of Dutch people watching us like we're criminals," said Daoudi, who works at the Argan Moroccan youth center. "The Dutch community doesn't know much about Islam. They think (Muslims) are all the same."

You are, Islamic dirtbag murderers; you are.


18 posted on 11/12/2004 6:30:41 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Ginifer
Anti-terror squads have made dozens of arrests in recent days, claiming to have picked up members of an international terrorist network with ties to the Van Gogh case.

I think the center-left government is just "looking busy". They need Pim Fortuyn's party in power to take care of business with the Muslims.

19 posted on 11/12/2004 6:31:30 PM PST by montag813
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To: Shqipo
"Mommy, why us? All we did was go to school."

Yeah go to a terrorist supporting Madrassa school. Until the Moslems rise up and cleanse themselves of the current situation, I think they should all be dealt with in the harshest possible manner

20 posted on 11/12/2004 6:32:19 PM PST by glennherman (a gun in every home, gays back in the closet, Islam crushed, commies jailed, etc., ad infinitum)
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To: Shqipo
Someone in the Netherlands should crank up Pink Floyd's "You Better Run."

Hey MooseLimbs...
They're gonna send you back to Mother, In a cardboard box

21 posted on 11/12/2004 6:32:40 PM PST by bikepacker67 ("This is the best election night in history." -- DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe 11/2/04 8pm)
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To: Shqipo

"Someone in the Netherlands should crank up Pink Floyd's "You Better Run." That'll get their attention all the more."


Listening to some old AC DC here that seems pretty appropriate. "Dog eat dog".


22 posted on 11/12/2004 6:33:27 PM PST by cripplecreek (I come swinging the olive branch of peace.)
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To: Ginifer

Stop cutting off people's heads for believed insults and we will honor your beliefs.


23 posted on 11/12/2004 6:33:34 PM PST by patso
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To: Ginifer
"Because the killer is a Muslim from Morocco all Muslims are now being blamed for the act of one person,"

Because the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Muslim, TROP apologists will be blamed until they renounce such terrorist actions and cooperate in the hunting down terrorist wannabes.

Unfortunately, TROP is a cult of death, precluding any such action.

If you aren't a member of TROP, you are an infidel. Convert to TROP or die.

Given such a choice, it is time to wipe out TROP.

Mecca and Medina should become modern day Carthages.

25 posted on 11/12/2004 6:34:26 PM PST by peyton randolph (Time for Bush to pack the U.S. Supremes)
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To: airborne

Dutch Muslims Fear Backlash From Murder
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Clearly not enough:

1. To report the nuts in their community to authorities.

2. To not kill people for producing films.

3. To act well enough so that a murder by a nut cases in their community can be viewed as an isolated incident.

4. To integrate themselves enough in Dutch society that their children will not become nut cases.


26 posted on 11/12/2004 6:34:54 PM PST by JLS (tHA)
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To: Ginifer

I'm finding it VERY DIFFICULT to come up with any sympathy for these people. They scream and demand that all Westerner's leave the middle east and yet demanding they leave the Western world and return to their homeland is so UN PC!


27 posted on 11/12/2004 6:35:01 PM PST by Arpege92 (We're here! We're Conservative! And we're in your face! - theDentist)
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To: Shqipo

Just as a side note, the name of the song is "Run Like Hell"


28 posted on 11/12/2004 6:36:09 PM PST by bikepacker67 ("This is the best election night in history." -- DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe 11/2/04 8pm)
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To: Ginifer

The invaders worry that now they might be repelled.

They worry that the shepherds who keep their sheep in line for muslim sheering might not be able too much longer..

The murderers and rapists must make sure the shepherds label any sheep who dare to fight back as nazis or racists...always worked for the American left...and their propagandizing media


29 posted on 11/12/2004 6:36:50 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: JLS
Seems to be a recurring M.O.

They 'act' indignant.

30 posted on 11/12/2004 6:37:05 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: bikepacker67

Thanks. That'll work too.


31 posted on 11/12/2004 6:37:14 PM PST by Shqipo (The gloves are on and the corners are empty.)
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To: Ginifer

Or as they say, it ain't so much fun when the rabbits got the gun, Mohammed.


32 posted on 11/12/2004 6:38:52 PM PST by johnb838 ("May they go to hell!" the soldiers shouted, and Allawi replied: "To hell they will go.")
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To: weenie

The Western Europeans better wake up and start deportation. Islam has not changed in 1400 years and will never change. Islam is a "religion" of conquest, it is totally intolerant and a cancer.


33 posted on 11/12/2004 6:39:25 PM PST by FrankRepublican (Arlen Specter = Ted Kennedy Dem Bush = Open Borders w/ Mexico)
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To: Ginifer
On Friday, parliament asked the government to draft legislation that would compel Dutch mosques to employ only imams who have studied Islam in the Netherlands.

I see that parliament has read the story of the "Little Dutch Boy". Too bad the leak has already allowed a million Muslims to trickle in ...

34 posted on 11/12/2004 6:39:57 PM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: peyton randolph

People say that Bush is fighting the batle in the wrong venue and yet we caught that hairy guy in Pakistan. Bin Laden is deep underground. We killed the #3 guy in Afghanistan. Bush is doing a wonderful job with these killers who have no remorse.


35 posted on 11/12/2004 6:40:07 PM PST by patso
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To: Ginifer
An explosion earlier in the week not only shattered windows and doors - it damaged the Muslim community's faith in the tolerance of their neighbors.

Do these people never look inward? Do they never consider their own actions?

It is so simple...why accept responsibility when you can blame someone else?

Give a philosophy like that about 12 or 13 hundred years and you end up with modern Islam.

36 posted on 11/12/2004 6:40:12 PM PST by weenie (This is a war between the forces of good and evil. Humans are only pawns.)
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To: Ginifer
"We have to watch a lot of Dutch people watching us like we're criminals," said Daoudi, who works at the Argan Moroccan youth center. "The Dutch community doesn't know much about Islam. They think (Muslims) are all the same."

.

37 posted on 11/12/2004 6:40:29 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Shqipo
Actually, all the lyrics are post-worthy:

Run Run Run Run Run Run Run Run 
Run Run Run Run Run Run Run Run. 
You better make your face up in 
Your favorite disguise. 
With your button down lips and your 
Roller blind eyes. 
With your empty smile 
And your hungry heart. 
Feel the bile rising from your guilty past. 
With your nerves in tatters 
When the conchshell shatters 
And the hammers batter 
Down the door. 
You'd better run. 

Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, 
Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run. 
You better sleep all day 
And run all night. 
Keep your dirty feelings 
Deep inside. 
And if you're taking your girlfriend 
Out tonight 
You'd better park the car 
Well out of sight. 
Cause if they catch you in the back seat 
Trying to pick her locks, 
They're gonna send you back to mother 
In a cardboard box. 
You better run. 
Great F'n tune for our Marines to crank up!
38 posted on 11/12/2004 6:42:53 PM PST by bikepacker67 ("This is the best election night in history." -- DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe 11/2/04 8pm)
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To: Arpege92
I'm finding it VERY DIFFICULT to come up with any sympathy for these people. They scream and demand that all Westerner's leave the middle east and yet demanding they leave the Western world and return to their homeland is so UN PC!

Islam will not accept anyone else in the middle east, and Islam will not accept anyone else anywhere else in the world.

39 posted on 11/12/2004 6:43:31 PM PST by tomatoealive (On a hot summer day in my garden, I picked a pretty, ripe, tomato, and ate it there.)
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To: ambrose
Has anyone noticed that whenever there is some new Islamic outrage, the only thing we hear from them is fear of reprisals, not remorse over what was done?

Yeah. Noticed it. The MSM hasn't though. Big surprise.

40 posted on 11/12/2004 6:44:32 PM PST by softengine (Correlate everything. Practice critical thinking. Don't be a sheeple.)
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To: FrankRepublican
I agree with you...except, if they are deported they are still intent on destroying Israel.

And Europe...and the US.

I don't yet know what the solution is...but I am thinking and listening...

41 posted on 11/12/2004 6:44:44 PM PST by weenie (This is a war between the forces of good and evil. Humans are only pawns.)
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To: ambrose

"Has anyone noticed that whenever there is some new Islamic outrage, the only thing we hear from them is fear of reprisals, not remorse over what was done?"

I have been noticing this since, oh, about 9/13/01. It never fails, the violence is NEVER condemned. They fear the Dutch? The Dutch fear them. Which group has more reason to fear?

The Euros (and us) better be ready to toss these folks out wholesale, and execute the evildoers. I, for one, don't have much faith in the so-called moderates. They seem to be a quivering lot immersed in self-pity.

And don't forget, their religion teaches them to lie to the "infidels" so really, why believe a word any of them says?

(Sorry for all the bad grammer & spelling that I'm sure are running amok throughout this post.)


42 posted on 11/12/2004 6:45:16 PM PST by jocon307 (Maintain the mandate!)
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To: ambrose
"Has anyone noticed that whenever there is some new Islamic outrage, the only thing we hear from them is fear of reprisals, not remorse over what was done?"

I notice it all the time.

If you kick a hornet's nest don't bitch if you get stung.

43 posted on 11/12/2004 6:45:39 PM PST by blackbart.223
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To: tomatoealive

"Islam will not accept anyone else in the middle east, and Islam will not accept anyone else anywhere else in the world."


That's EXACTLY it.


44 posted on 11/12/2004 6:45:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (I come swinging the olive branch of peace.)
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To: bikepacker67
I hope they're cranking this little dittie down the alleys of Falluja as we speak.
45 posted on 11/12/2004 6:46:37 PM PST by Shqipo (The gloves are on and the corners are empty.)
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To: Fiddlstix

I clicked the pic....VERY nice, Fiddlstix, very nice. :)


46 posted on 11/12/2004 6:46:39 PM PST by Brad's Gramma (Ann Coulter for AG!)
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To: Ginifer

Not a word in the entire article about any Muslim reacting with outrage against the killing. Until they start speaking up, it will be no wonder that people will view them as being "all the same."


47 posted on 11/12/2004 6:47:04 PM PST by zook
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To: Ginifer
What interests me about this article is its clear tone of pity and pleas for tolerance and understanding.

The reporter clearly wants to elicit our sympathy with sob stories of children asking their mothers, "Why?"

This is a good example of the liberal "one-world" press that wants to shove our common "humanity" down our throats until we choke to death on our impossible standards of compassion or when the enemy exists in sufficient numbers to just slit our throats.

We are lambs being led to slaughter.

48 posted on 11/12/2004 6:48:30 PM PST by twas
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To: x1stcav

Now maybe they'll police their own ranks.

Not in a million years.


49 posted on 11/12/2004 6:49:38 PM PST by philetus (Zell Miller - One of the few)
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To: Ginifer
"Because the killer is a Muslim from Morocco all Muslims are now being blamed for the act of one person," said one father, who also feared being quoted by name.

Well, the motive for the murder was Islam.

50 posted on 11/12/2004 6:49:50 PM PST by Fatalis (John Kyl in 2008)
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