Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Police Use of Stun Guns on Children Riles Parents(Officers Taser Boy, 6, and Girl, 12)
aolsvc.news.aol.com ^ | 11 12 04 | aolnews.com

Posted on 11/13/2004 1:40:34 PM PST by freepatriot32

MIAMI (Nov. 13) - Miami-Dade police have acknowledged using a stun gun on a second youngster just weeks after subduing a 55-pound first-grader with a 50,000-volt shock.

In the second instance, a 15-year-veteran officer used his Taser to immobilize a 12-year-old girl who was playing hooky from school.

Police Director Bobby Parker defended the decision to shock the 6-year-old boy on Oct. 20 because he was threatening to injure himself with a shard of glass he was holding, but he said Friday that he could not defend the decision to shock the fleeing girl, who was apparently drunk.

According to the incident report, officer William Nelson responded to a complaint that children were swimming in a pool, drinking alcohol and smoking cigars about 11 a.m. on Nov. 5.

Nelson said he noticed the girl was intoxicated and told her to get dressed so he could take her back to school.

"While walking the girl to the police car, she took off running through the parking lot," Nelson wrote in his report.

Nelson, 38, said he chased her and yelled several times for her to stop. Nelson said he pulled out the Taser and fired when the girl began to run into traffic. The electric probes hit the girl in the neck and lower back, immobilizing her with 50,000 volts.

Nelson said he fired "for my safety along with the girl's safety." Paramedics treated the girl, who went home with her mother.

Parker said department policy permits officers to use the Taser to apprehend someone, but he said he expected his officers to use better judgment, especially when police had no plans to arrest someone playing hooky.

The first incident had already exposed the department to more criticism for its use of Tasers, which it has begun distributing in greater numbers to officers.

"The police could have handled this better," said the 6-year-old boy's mother, Kathy Rojas. "They did not have to shoot him."

Parker said that, in light of the disclosure of the second incident, the department will review its policy.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 12; 6; and; banglist; boy; childabuse; children; donutwatch; florida; girl; govwatch; guns; miami; of; officers; on; parents; police; policestate; riles; setbeeberonstune; state; stun; taser; use; when6yroldsgobad
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-129 next last
So I wonder if these police officers have kids themselves and if this is the first line of disipline with thier own children?Somehow I doubt it.
1 posted on 11/13/2004 1:40:35 PM PST by freepatriot32
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32
So I wonder if these police officers have kids themselves and if this is the first line of disipline with thier own children?

No, they use pepperspray on their own kids.

2 posted on 11/13/2004 1:42:47 PM PST by vox_freedom (Four, count 'em, four more years!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

I can see the first one but the second one..not really


3 posted on 11/13/2004 1:42:54 PM PST by skaterboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

I don't like the idea of the cops using tasers on kids but I have some serious questions about the parents of the 6 year old to begin with.


4 posted on 11/13/2004 1:42:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (I come swinging the olive branch of peace.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32
(Alternate story)

Nelson, 38, said he chased her and yelled several times for her to stop. Nelson said ... the girl began to run into traffic.

Several cars swerved to avoid her, but the cement truck couldn't stop in time. The girl was killed instantly.

"She was drunk", her mother wailed. "Certainly the officer knew that! If he would only have used his harmless Taser, she wouldn't have run into traffic, and my baby would be alive today".

5 posted on 11/13/2004 1:50:28 PM PST by robertpaulsen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: robertpaulsen
Good point well made!

And what's in the water in Florida, anyway?

6 posted on 11/13/2004 1:52:55 PM PST by JennysCool (1969'ers telling us how to run our government are like 1929'ers telling us how to land on the moon.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: skaterboy

My husband and I were talking about this. I believe I could have taken down my 5 y/o grandson and took the glass away and this kid wasn't all thay much bigger. I've seen kids go crazy and it might not have been pretty but .... The girl however at 12 is in a woman's body and was reported as drunk and running into traffic. He may have saved her life.


7 posted on 11/13/2004 1:53:20 PM PST by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: robertpaulsen

It's a catch-22 for police officers now a days. You're wrong if you do, you're wrong if you don't.


8 posted on 11/13/2004 1:53:58 PM PST by HungarianGypsy (We are the pirates who don't do anything....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: robertpaulsen
Exactly...it sounds like in both cases, the officers used what they had on hand to try and safegaurd these kids from themselves.

If they were doing it to try and put handcuffs on them, or to try and simply restrain them...that would be a different matter. But when these kids own lives or saftey, or the lives or safety of others are in the balance, that is a differnt matter.

9 posted on 11/13/2004 1:54:32 PM PST by Jeff Head (Thank a vet for your freedom)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: robertpaulsen

Excellent point.


10 posted on 11/13/2004 1:57:23 PM PST by tuffydoodle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: cripplecreek
"I don't like the idea of the cops using tasers on kids but I have some serious questions about the parents of the 6 year old to begin with."

I have serious questions for the mother of the 12-year-old girl. Her daughter is not in school on a Friday morning, and is drinking and smoking? And runs away from a cop?

Hell, reload the Taser and give the mom a shot.

11 posted on 11/13/2004 1:58:40 PM PST by robertpaulsen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: HungarianGypsy

that's because nowadays everybody is looking for somebody to sue. A big city has deep pockets.


12 posted on 11/13/2004 1:59:42 PM PST by tuffydoodle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: robertpaulsen

Not always, but often when you see a messed up kid there is a messed up parent not to far behind.


13 posted on 11/13/2004 2:01:44 PM PST by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: JennysCool
Nothing is in the water JennysCool, we just have tough cops in Florida, better stay right where you at, and do not come to Florida for vacation, go to Califorina. There water is better (all bottle) and the police are limp wrist.
14 posted on 11/13/2004 2:02:54 PM PST by lucky7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

were they biting his ankles?


15 posted on 11/13/2004 2:03:36 PM PST by D Edmund Joaquin (as a Christian, I'm an embarrassment to society, and this mauve tie doesn't help)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: robertpaulsen

The more I think about it the more I tend to agree.


16 posted on 11/13/2004 2:06:02 PM PST by cripplecreek (I come swinging the olive branch of peace.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: CindyDawg
"there is a messed up parent not to far behind."

Well, drug use and pregnancy are not too far ahead. I hope this is a wake-up call for both of them.

17 posted on 11/13/2004 2:06:26 PM PST by robertpaulsen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: skaterboy

I can't see the first one. Was an army mp, cops have a baton either collapsable or side handle a strike to the wrist & short jab to solar plexus situation under control . Both officers need remedial training in unarmed self defense & suspect control tactics .


18 posted on 11/13/2004 2:07:57 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: CindyDawg

You, CindyDawg, are exactly right.


19 posted on 11/13/2004 2:08:14 PM PST by tuffydoodle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: robertpaulsen

In the mean time, kiddie tazers?????


20 posted on 11/13/2004 2:08:15 PM PST by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: robertpaulsen

The parents won't care about the kids. It's a chance to make a little easy money that they will be concerned with.


21 posted on 11/13/2004 2:09:59 PM PST by tuffydoodle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32
Nelson, 38, said he chased her and yelled several times for her to stop.

Hmmm... gotta wonder about the beer gut on this slob. What 38 year old man cannot chase down a little girl? Come on! He shot her because he is too incompetent to control a little girl. What would he do with an adult male perp? Sheesh!
22 posted on 11/13/2004 2:10:51 PM PST by broadsword (Weren't there a couple of giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? What happened to them?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CindyDawg

LOL


23 posted on 11/13/2004 2:10:53 PM PST by tuffydoodle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: lucky7
and the police are limp wrist.

You'd better take that one back, mister.

24 posted on 11/13/2004 2:10:57 PM PST by JennysCool (1969'ers telling us how to run our government are like 1929'ers telling us how to land on the moon.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

The use of taser may have been out of line, but why was a 12 year old girl partying, drinking, and getting drunk?????? She is way too young to be drinking and getting drunk. Seriously, I don't quite get that.


25 posted on 11/13/2004 2:12:45 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

She was drunk and the cops were going to take her to school?


26 posted on 11/13/2004 2:13:04 PM PST by Grig
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CindyDawg
"In the mean time, kiddie tazers?????

Sure. See my post here.

27 posted on 11/13/2004 2:13:22 PM PST by robertpaulsen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Grig

What? You think they should have taken her home? :')


28 posted on 11/13/2004 2:14:37 PM PST by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: robertpaulsen

lol about MM


29 posted on 11/13/2004 2:15:19 PM PST by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: tuffydoodle

:')


30 posted on 11/13/2004 2:15:49 PM PST by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32
Miami-Dade police have acknowledged using a stun gun on a second youngster just weeks after subduing a 55-pound first-grader with a 50,000-volt shock.

Yeah, but after the six year old was tasered, it took 9 cops to subdue him, and five went to the hospital for minor injuries.

31 posted on 11/13/2004 2:17:39 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JennysCool

Hey your showing me a tv cop joe friday, there on the west coast there limp wrist or gay.


32 posted on 11/13/2004 2:19:28 PM PST by lucky7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Joe Hadenuf

Seriously?


33 posted on 11/13/2004 2:19:45 PM PST by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: CindyDawg

It's cold, rainy and a Saturday. My kids are lucky that I don't have a taser right now.

I'm so tired of refereeing fights that I may just have to leave and go shopping.


34 posted on 11/13/2004 2:21:00 PM PST by tuffydoodle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Head
Exactly...it sounds like in both cases, the officers used what they had on hand to try and safegaurd these kids from themselves.

Perhaps.

As the mindset of the many police officers (a growing number) continues to be one of an occupying soldier instead of a peace officer, fewer and fewer citizens will give them the benefit of the doubt in the scenarios.

Futhermore, an increasing number of Americans are viewing the police in exactly the same way many of them act: like an occupying army.

35 posted on 11/13/2004 2:22:18 PM PST by Mulder ("The price of freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle anywhere and any time"-- Heinlein)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: HungarianGypsy
It's a catch-22 for police officers now a days. You're wrong if you do, you're wrong if you don't

Partly due to lazy citizens that don't do their part in raising their children, or supporting the true 'peace officers' in their community.

And partly due to the increasing numbers of JBTs becoming cops and bullying citizens, creating resentment among the populace.

36 posted on 11/13/2004 2:24:44 PM PST by Mulder ("The price of freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle anywhere and any time"-- Heinlein)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: tuffydoodle

Sarah Lee??? . I would need two Moore specials though. :')


37 posted on 11/13/2004 2:25:30 PM PST by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: robertpaulsen
Regardless of whether the officer's actions were justified, the mother certainly wouldn't have lamented the officer not using the Taser. If the girl had been killed, the mother would have complained about the officer chasing the girl, but attributing the "If he would only have used his harmless Taser" line is not realistic. The person who more likely would have used that line would have been the spouse/parent of some innocent person killed in an accident if the girl darted into traffic and caused an accident.

We have incidents like these because our society is doing poorly. I don't have a ready answer to that problem. This officer shouldn't be punished if the event happened as described, and I don't know whether the policy needs to be reworked.

Bill

38 posted on 11/13/2004 2:27:30 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

A 12 year old girl drunk, skipping school, running from cops. Just let her go . One day she will marry a wife beater and get what she has coming to her.

Kids like this grow up and blame all their problems on someone else.


39 posted on 11/13/2004 2:29:10 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tuffydoodle

Later:'). Time for my lesson.


40 posted on 11/13/2004 2:29:16 PM PST by CindyDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: CindyDawg

Do Twinkies count?


41 posted on 11/13/2004 2:31:10 PM PST by tuffydoodle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: CindyDawg

Be careful and have a good time.


42 posted on 11/13/2004 2:31:45 PM PST by tuffydoodle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: WFTR
"... the mother would have complained about the officer chasing the girl, but attributing the "If he would only have used his harmless Taser" line is not realistic."

You're correct. Artistic license on my part.

But, I bet that Taser option would be presented by someone in front of the jury in the civil case against the city that followed. And the jurors would all nod their collective heads (Yeah, why didn't he? She'd be alive today.) and award the mother $20 million.

43 posted on 11/13/2004 2:37:18 PM PST by robertpaulsen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32
I think it's about time they took the tasers away from these morons. If cops don't have anything better to do than chase 12 yr old truants around, maybe they should also think about reducing the size of the force.
44 posted on 11/13/2004 2:38:25 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CindyDawg
He's series.

I read where CNN also reports that they have a video which appears to show the cops kicking the six-year-old after he was handcuffed, then stealing his lunch money.

The police deny the charges as ridiculous, but CNN says, "Who's the public going to believe? You, or our grainy, dark, out-of-focus amateur video?"

45 posted on 11/13/2004 2:41:59 PM PST by robertpaulsen
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: CindyDawg
>>In the mean time, kiddie tazers?????<<

Yeah..
can you adjust the voltage on these things?

Maybe they did.

46 posted on 11/13/2004 2:45:28 PM PST by Tula Git
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: lucky7

Not all cops in California are in SF or LA....Not only that the ones in the blue areas act more like storm troopers....don't come here if you plan to break the law. In LA they shot a guy 41 times for holding a cell phone and the guy was in California on vacation from another country and couldn't speak English...be careful if you come here and be ready to duck...and don't hold a cell phone when cops talk to you!!!


47 posted on 11/13/2004 2:45:42 PM PST by calex59
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: freepatriot32

Does it rile anybody that a twelve year old girl was drunk and half naked and unsupervised in the middle of the day? Does it rile anybody that a law enforcement officer's career is gonna be destroyed because of parental neglect? Does it rile anybody that this police officer's family's life is gonna be thrown into turmoil because of somebody else's irresponsabilty? I just wondered.


48 posted on 11/13/2004 2:46:14 PM PST by Calusa (Bush cooked Kerry's Goose!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JennysCool

LOL


49 posted on 11/13/2004 2:50:44 PM PST by RatSlayer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: robertpaulsen
But, I bet that Taser option would be presented by someone in front of the jury in the civil case against the city that followed.

You are correct, and your point raises another big part of the whole problem. If the civil justice system didn't give big awards to people who don't deserve them and did impose big penalties on those who should be penalized, much of the stupidity in our society would decline.

Bill

50 posted on 11/13/2004 2:53:53 PM PST by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-129 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson