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Retool Election Code (New Mexico, long read)
The Albuquerque Journal ^ | November 13, 2004 | Editorial page staff

Posted on 11/13/2004 1:45:38 PM PST by CedarDave

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Agree with all except same day voting. Also, need to provide proof of eligibility (i.e. citizen, non-felon, etc.). Registering 30 days ahead of an election gives officials time to check voter address, do a computer search, etc.

With the exceptions mentioned noted above, the editorial suggestions would seem acceptable for Congress to adopt for a uniform nationwide electoral process.

1 posted on 11/13/2004 1:45:39 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave
I am given to understand, that despite the appearances and various commentary in the article and in public by the media, the details are that the Democrats found to their dismay, that all the money that they had poured into New Mexico in order to buy the state, including the massive union crackdown, did not give them the votes they expected ... and so they have tried again and again and again since November 2nd, to try and engineer a win for Kerry ... and they do not want to give it up ... rather, they want to cause a hang.

Ohio was the prime state, and New Mexico was the marginal state; but the Democrats lost both states ... or, that is, they are unwilling to concede, despite Kerry's concession.

The point is, they wish to state on the record, that the election was never really decided at the polls ... and there was really never a complete concession.

Sore Losermen II

They figure that nobody's really looking; and somehow, someway, some "win" can be achieved.

They intend to contest New Mexico, over and over and over again, in order to build a myth that somehow, the people were disenfranchised, dis-whatever.

2 posted on 11/13/2004 1:53:43 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: First_Salute

It wouldn't surprise me. It's a real black eye for Richardson, who has presidential ambitions, that he couldn't deliver his state to kerry even though he has been an absolute control freak.


3 posted on 11/13/2004 1:58:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: First_Salute

IIRC, there originally were somewhere in the range of 18,000-19,000 statewide provisional ballots. The President's lead before they started counting these was about 8,300 votes. Yes, if all had been accepted, there would have been a good chance of the President losing the state. However, once a county and the SOS certify the election, it's too late to challenge. Because of the President's current 6,000 vote lead, a recount will not change anything. And I believe the provisional ballot fight is over for this year.

However, in the future, provisional ballots and voter day regisitration must not be unrestricted so that a candidate or party can go out and roundup the homeless and illegals and drive them to the polls on election day with the promise of a meal or a fifth of wino wine.


4 posted on 11/13/2004 2:05:14 PM PST by CedarDave (Served with pride alongside the Swifties, USCG patrol boat, Coastal Division 13, Viet Nam, 1967-68.)
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To: CedarDave
You wrote:

"Agree with all except same day voting. . . ."

I'm sure you're referring to enabling simultaneous registration and voting on election day. I couldn't agree more with that. It is a terrible idea that just begs for fraudulent voters to show up, then disappear when the votes are cast.

I really like this recommendation:

"Everyone shows photo ID every time they vote. The picture has to match the voter; the name on the ID has to match the name on the rolls."

Amen! And I think the federal government has a role to play here. Since we don't have a national id -- something else I favor -- I think the federal government should make it possible for citizens to acquire a new version of their social security card that contains their picture for instances like voting, though there are other times when it could be useful. I don't want to hear about complaints from people about how some citizens don't have drivers licenses and therefore have no picture ids. Verifying who is who at the polls is the essence of ballot security and we citizens have to expect, nay demand it!
5 posted on 11/13/2004 2:05:16 PM PST by StJacques
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To: CedarDave

This is so reasonable, I can't believe it was written by a New Mexico newspaper.I thought that showing a photo ID was considered by all enlightened people in New Mexico to be Evil Voter Intimadation. I could go along with same day registration if it was done like the provisional balloting (the votes put aside and not counted till they are checked for cheating).


6 posted on 11/13/2004 2:09:43 PM PST by Blumtoon
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To: CedarDave

The election rules are fine when Democarts win. Since this is likely not the case the whole system must be overhauled.


7 posted on 11/13/2004 2:12:26 PM PST by truthandlogic
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To: Blumtoon

No, same day registration is an opportunity for fraud, IMO. And taking time to check on eligibility of same day voters just slows down the vote count process.

BTW, the ABQ Journal endorsed W and two of the three Pubbie congressional candidates (who both won).


8 posted on 11/13/2004 2:16:40 PM PST by CedarDave (Celebrate November 2, 2004 -- May it always be known as Vietnam Veterans Victory Day!)
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To: CedarDave; truthandlogic; Clemenza
Washington State Board of Elections Supervisor sez:

You guys have finished your election...ALREADY?(!) Wow! How'd ya do it so fast?

9 posted on 11/13/2004 2:19:56 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("They don't want some high brow hussy from NYC characterizing them as idiots..." (Zell Miller)
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Lawmakers should also explore election-day registration at the polls,

Hell no. What's so difficult about registering 30 days before an election. Isn't it better to clean up voter rolls before an election than afterward?

10 posted on 11/13/2004 2:21:30 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Arlen Specter's got to go!)
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To: CedarDave

I would support a law that considered everyone with a driver's license or state photo-id would be automatically registered. To vote you would have to show the id.

Moving around is always a problem. Lots of people wait before changing their driver's license. But even after a move, the photo-id should be required, along with some proof of residence.

People who do not change their registration info within a reasonable time should expect problems. On the other hand, states should have a way of verifying your registration online or by mail.


11 posted on 11/13/2004 2:24:33 PM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: CedarDave; Cicero; snopercod
Please excuse my skepticism in regard to Democrats and especially Democrats in New Mexico.

There, "truth" is defined as, "whatever is said or written by Democrats."

There is no requirement for actual, geniuine, the real, truth.

There is no political or news media job requirement in all of New Mexico, that is, truth.

Probably because there is not time, in the day, given that all of the time, is spent on how incredibly over-sensitive are the Democrats, and how they constantly preen and posture around one another, and, that, there, is their daily bread.

24/7 posturing.

At the top, this takes the form of "I am with you! The people!" And then, after "work," there's a short walk from the statehouse to Rio Chama for steaks and charge it to the public purse, waiter.

New Mexico is no longer a state; rather, it's a kingdom.

The only reason that there is real progress and real growth, is because there are so many actual, real, working stiffs who are not yet under the union label.

In other words, everybody else is doing the actual work, while the vaunted Democrat Worker Voter Party studies holes in river bank mud, at a cost of millions, or argues over fence lines at a cost of millions, or decries water conservation in the name of conserving water, again, at a cost of millions, while also writing checks, millions, for new parks and things where, on rare occasions, I've seen some dog catch a Frisbee.

The entire state of New Mexico, for Democrats, is a giant public work, excepting the vast reserves owned by the many limousine liberals who complain about how much money they have.

Like Sam Donaldson, who owns enough of New Mexico, that you can see it on the November 2, 2004 Elections results map --- I've heard that it's the big blue area in the upper-left-hand corner, but that's only a rumor.

There are people in New Mexico, whose word is their bond, and a good one. Occasionally, I meet such people.

Yet, as a group, as a whole, the Democrats are not to be trusted in any way, shape or form, and especially their "retreat" known as Los Alamos --- which in Spanish, translates to: All of yours is mine.

Los Alamos is a honey pot of communist worker bees and has entirely lost its usefulness.

If the Nature Conservancy wants to return something to the wilds, they can spend THEIR money by giving it away unconditionally, to a project dedicated to returning the entire face of the caldera, to God's country.

There is nothing happening at Los Alamos, except spying --- the whole place, the town and suburbs and nearby villages, is 100% a giant federally-funded act.

We waste billions on that slope, that could be used to fund the Veterans Hospital system.

Am I going on and on?

You betcha.

Los Alamos is a joke, and even the commies know it.

What's the point?

Democrats.

You could close Los Alamos and keep open three Air Force bases.

You could build 50 C-17 aircraft that we desparately need.

NOTHING is happening at Los Alamos, except for Democrats taking home gov't dollars.

12 posted on 11/13/2004 2:27:38 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

No kidding. If somebody doesn't have their act together enough to get a valid photo ID and register a month in advance do we really want them deciding our future leadership?


13 posted on 11/13/2004 2:33:16 PM PST by BJClinton (And your crybaby whiny-assed opinion would be ....?)
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To: First_Salute

I think Lawrence Livermore has taken over the former mission of Los Alamos. Not sure.


14 posted on 11/13/2004 2:48:59 PM PST by snopercod (Bigger government means clinton won. Less freedom means Osama won. Get it?)
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To: BJClinton

I'm afraid that whatever King Richard[son] wants in the way of election reform, he will get. With both houses of the legislature in Democrat hands and with him keeping a whip in the form of threatened vetos of hometown pork (which he used earlier this year), he has complete autocratic control. Fortunately, for the nation, he is only governor of New Mexico. Unfortunately for the nation, he has his sights set on higher office and he and her tHighness, Hillary, may team up in 2008. Given that they are both control freaks, God help us.


15 posted on 11/13/2004 2:49:00 PM PST by CedarDave (Celebrate November 2, 2004 -- May it always be known as Vietnam Veterans Victory Day!)
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*shudders*

We may have to get the feds involved in NM if we are going to have real change.
16 posted on 11/13/2004 2:51:26 PM PST by BJClinton (And your crybaby whiny-assed opinion would be ....?)
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To: CedarDave
Another reform I'd like to see is to keep all precinct totals secret until ALL precincts in that state have submitted their totals.

That would keep potential fraudsters from knowing how many votes they needed.

17 posted on 11/13/2004 3:11:14 PM PST by Ken H
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To: CedarDave

Yeah, I guess you're right. I believe that new book by John Fund (Stealing Elections) said that states that make it easy for people to vote don't have higher turnout than states that actually make people put out a little effort.


18 posted on 11/13/2004 3:13:34 PM PST by Blumtoon
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To: First_Salute
Not too cynical, are you? Los Alamos voted for Bush 52%-46%.

However, what you say has more than a ring of truth. Both of the NM labs are money black holes, full of government bureaucracy and useless directives, unbelievable government sector fringe benefits, and general wasted time, effort and money. And most of the workers who enjoy this government largess are Democrats who don't live there but commute from the Santa Fe area where they fit right in with the other liberal intelligentsia who infest that beautiful area.

Yeah, I lived there for 13 years and worked for both government and then a private company with lab contracts. They did their own thing with the people's money, but when I was told to go out and get commercial business, they threw government bureaucracy at me: Contracts, government accounting procedures, and other endless restrictions on my marketing and travel. Because they had government contracts, everything in the commercial sector had to follow the same rules. No money to be made that way; couldn't charge the client enough to cover the overhead costs.

Finally I bailed out to a small business elsewhere in the state with a much more handshake way of doing business. Though I miss the sceneary, the government bureaucrats with their rules have yet to completely take over this part of the state. And, BTW, this area went to Bush 79.5% to 20%.

19 posted on 11/13/2004 3:14:39 PM PST by CedarDave (Celebrate November 2, 2004 -- May it always be known as Vietnam Veterans Victory Day!)
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To: CedarDave; backhoe
Gov. Bill Richardson and the Legislature should put an election code overhaul high on the list of priorities for the 2005 session.

Oh Sure

Pudgy thought it was OK to give Monica a job (after the one she gave Bubber) and now they expect him to voluntarily close voter fraud loopholes?

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20 posted on 11/13/2004 3:52:24 PM PST by Elle Bee
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