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NY Times ^ | November 13, 2004 | NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Posted on 11/13/2004 2:34:57 PM PST by neverdem

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To: Larry Lucido

How about this, Dave? If you see a gun, it's LOADED!!

I seem to recall learning that a long time ago, maybe when I was about 6. Common sense continues to evade the left. Actually, this nonissue reveals that the writer has no personal experience at all with firearms, is just writing on autopilot.

101 posted on 11/13/2004 3:52:14 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: lentulusgracchus

New York is funny when it comes to pistol permits because they are issued by County not by the State.

Any permit is good anywhere in the State except for NYC. Forget a carry permit in NYC, as a practical matter you can't even get permit to own one and leave it your home.

In the Counties surrounding NYC like Westchester you get a Target and Hunting Carry permit that is supposedly good for going to and from the range, but this restriction exists only on the permit and is not written anywhere in the State's Carry Law. They also make you wait 6 months or more and require you to be fingerprinted.

Upstate NY mostly just gives full carry permits with a simple form and little or no wait or hassle. The only restriction is that you must carry concealed.

102 posted on 11/13/2004 3:53:29 PM PST by Ragnorak
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To: DocH
I hadn't heard that one. The Rapist salted activist agents at CDC, to create a propaganda feedback loop? (Boiler-room con men call such people "singers" -- they sing the yak's praises and "vouch for" his scheme. In three-card monte, they're called "shills".)

I know Rapist and his hag used "diversity programs" to create Clintonista political rings inside the Civil Service. Rapist committed all the agency heads (who were appointees) to "promote diversity", and the way they did this was by naming certain people Of Color/Womynhood/Whatever [identity-political angle] as "change agents" and giving them an intra-agency forum, a budget, and a megaphone to tout "diversity" and feed into HR decisions within these agencies. In fact, what they were doing was creating Clintonista political clubs in violation of the Hatch Act and empowering them to seek the jobs of white males, who were targeted for replacement -- so "diversity" became a patronage gimmick, to attract people in the Civil Service to become political moles. Like Richard Clarke, for example, and Joe Wilson and his wife Valerie Plame, who were Clinton moles who suddenly broke the surface to attack Pres. Bush last year.

But the idea of salting sources of authority with "singer" shills is a new one -- and trust someone like Slick to think of something like that.

Bush has got to go on the warpath and clean all those people out of public life. Hogtie them, brand them, ship them off to the stockyards. Get rid of them.

103 posted on 11/13/2004 3:56:10 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: neverdem
Browning included a grip safety on the 1911 at the behest of the (cough) government. The Lugars produced for the trials also included this feature.

Browning thought so much of the grip safety that he never again included it on any design, for example, the Browning Hi-Power.

104 posted on 11/13/2004 3:56:33 PM PST by kitchen (Over gunned? Hell, that's better than the alternative!)
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To: neverdem; bang_list
To wake everybody up - I think you address a ping as shown below. I'm usually right but I'm not certain in this case. The one time I was wrong was when I thought I was wrong but it turned out I was right. ;-)

Note the asterisk and the underscore. ;-)

105 posted on 11/13/2004 3:59:41 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Repeal the 22nd Amendment!)
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To: kitchen

Thanks for the history.

106 posted on 11/13/2004 4:03:51 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Guns are always loaded, dummy.

Duh. People who forget this will someday find themselves nominated for a Darwin Award.

I don't consider my guns to be "safe" until they are a pile of unconnected pieces lying on the table, waiting to be cleaned. That is the only time I'd be willing to say "this is an unloaded weapon".

107 posted on 11/13/2004 4:03:55 PM PST by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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To: longtermmemmory
General commentary:

The NRA can rightly claim a piece of the Bush victory, and Kerry slogged right into their sights in camos with a shotgun which bans he proposed would have banned.

The ridiculous lengths to which the op-ed idiot goes to attempt to regurgitate 'Tactic 23X' of the anti-gun movement as a new idea owes more to his need to spew words to get paid, I think, then his belief in his topic. While, no doubt, the idea that Dems should simply change tactics rather than actual beliefs has worked in the past, this transparent and ill-informed piece demonstrates that, like most Democratic articles of faith, guns are extant, physical evidence of the ignorance and stupidity of their opponents even now (beat that sentence for nuance, Kerry).

Kellerman is a perfect example of the fallacy of allowing ANY government agency to regulate firearms.

The key concept that they will never get is that what 'we' really want is for the government to LEAVE US ALONE for the most part. Build roads, have a potent military, provide for public education insofar as using taxes to build the buildings and pay the teachers (NOT the bureaucrats). Read the Constitution - no, the 'regulate interstate commerce' clause does not allow you to order busing - and, no, the 'privacy' clause does not have anything to do with national laws on abortion.
108 posted on 11/13/2004 4:04:13 PM PST by Benkei (Remembrance)
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To: neverdem
"You can tell whether a camera is loaded by looking at it, and you should be able to tell whether a gun is loaded by looking at it," said David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Professor Hemenway has written "Private Guns, Public Health," a brilliant and clear-eyed primer for the country.

We take safety steps that reduce the risks of everything from chain saws (so they don't kick back and cut off an arm) to refrigerators (so kids can't lock themselves inside). But firearms have been exempt. Companies make cellphones that survive if dropped"

...but none of these items are protected by an Amendment in the Bill of Rights.


109 posted on 11/13/2004 4:04:55 PM PST by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: coloradan
"Don't be fooled by his rhetoric. This is more of the same old, same old. Loaded chamber indicators, magazine diconnects, "smart" guns etc,. Those are gun control too, and they have been part of the 'rat platform of incrementalist gun control for years. Just because the FBI told the Branch Davidians "This is not an attack" doesn't mean it wasn't one. Just because some NYT moron claims "this is an entirely new approach, one that isn't gun control at all, and one that the red staters can or will accept" doesn't make it true either."

That's my whole point.

Once again, I'm NOT agreeing with him or buying his argument.

I'm saying, again, his answers are all wrong, and I don't agree with his point of view.

BUT he is one of the few Dems who is actually thinking "We have to change or we're doomed." I don't think any of his changes are ones that would make me agree with him, but my point is that he is at least not blaming the Dems plight on "not getting the message out" but on the message itself.

110 posted on 11/13/2004 4:09:40 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (If it is not fearful, it is not worthwhile. - Paul Tornier)
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To: Tunehead54; Admin Moderator

I'm pretty sure that the need for group posts with special names such as *bang_list went away with the last major overhaul. The topics are now arranged according to keywords such as banglist.

Admin mod, correct me if I'm wrong.

111 posted on 11/13/2004 4:10:00 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
Nothing kills Democratic candidates' prospects more than guns. If it weren't for guns,
President-elect Kerry might now be conferring with incoming Senate Majority
Leader Daschle.

Louder, Mr. Kristof!

That way you morons won't figure out that it was The Massachussetts Supreme
Court and the Mayor of San Francisco that cooked your goose.

Even Democratic pollster Pat Caddell warned y'all in the spring that this
was the simmering issue that could cost Kerry the election and y'all
didn't listen then.

I pray to G-d that y'all stay deaf, indefinitely.
112 posted on 11/13/2004 4:16:24 PM PST by VOA
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To: DocH
(remember the other famous LIER from Emory who wote a FRAUDULENT "history" book on the 2nd Amendment and guns in America?)

That would be one Professor Michael Bellesiles.

Here's a sample debunking of his "research":

Disarming History, by Joyce Lee Malcolm


a press release from Emory University regarding his resignation.

113 posted on 11/13/2004 4:18:53 PM PST by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: Restorer
Guns could and should be made safer.

As should bicycles, staircases, edible sized toys, and the other greater child killers.

114 posted on 11/13/2004 4:36:25 PM PST by squirt-gun
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To: Anti-Christ is Hillary

LOL ! oh yeah ,I forgot that one .Good advice.

115 posted on 11/13/2004 4:45:33 PM PST by JessieHelmsJr
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To: Restorer
"So what's wrong with these ideas?

Guns could and should be made safer.

Although attempts to ban older "unsafe" guns should be resisted, I see no reason why we should knee-jerk reject the very idea of making guns safer."

We should also help the obese by making forks and spoons smaller. Firearms do exactly as they are intended to do. There is no such thing as a "safe" firearm, when it is the intention of the user that generally is the problem. When intent is evil, nothing you can do to a firearm will change that intent.
116 posted on 11/13/2004 5:11:29 PM PST by hophead
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To: mental

" how about one for hiv infections while they're at it.."

I think HIV/AIDS kills more people in this country than guns do. I would think that most AIDS deaths are probably preventable too.

117 posted on 11/13/2004 5:15:29 PM PST by hophead
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To: neverdem; Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the logo Safrguns!

118 posted on 11/13/2004 5:17:32 PM PST by LiberalBassTurds (Islam is a religion of peace. Strange every murdering psychopath in the world is attracted to it.)
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To: Imabeliever
S&W Model 40

A.K.A. "Lemon Squeezer"

Just a Chief's Special with a shroud completely covering the hammer.
119 posted on 11/13/2004 5:22:58 PM PST by Sindarian (Sooner, rather that later. The Peace of the grave for all who attack America.)
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To: hophead
Actually, according to government statistics, doctors are more deadly than guns:

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services.

Now Guns:
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. Yes, that is 80 million.
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.
Statistics courtesy of F.B.I.
Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."

(My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute."-- Ayn Rand)

120 posted on 11/13/2004 5:34:07 PM PST by Oorang (I want to breathe the fresh air of freedom, at the dawn of every day, it's the American way.)
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