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Posted on 11/13/2004 2:34:57 PM PST by neverdem
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How about this, Dave? If you see a gun, it's LOADED!!
I seem to recall learning that a long time ago, maybe when I was about 6. Common sense continues to evade the left. Actually, this nonissue reveals that the writer has no personal experience at all with firearms, is just writing on autopilot.
New York is funny when it comes to pistol permits because they are issued by County not by the State.
Any permit is good anywhere in the State except for NYC. Forget a carry permit in NYC, as a practical matter you can't even get permit to own one and leave it your home.
In the Counties surrounding NYC like Westchester you get a Target and Hunting Carry permit that is supposedly good for going to and from the range, but this restriction exists only on the permit and is not written anywhere in the State's Carry Law. They also make you wait 6 months or more and require you to be fingerprinted.
Upstate NY mostly just gives full carry permits with a simple form and little or no wait or hassle. The only restriction is that you must carry concealed.
I know Rapist and his hag used "diversity programs" to create Clintonista political rings inside the Civil Service. Rapist committed all the agency heads (who were appointees) to "promote diversity", and the way they did this was by naming certain people Of Color/Womynhood/Whatever [identity-political angle] as "change agents" and giving them an intra-agency forum, a budget, and a megaphone to tout "diversity" and feed into HR decisions within these agencies. In fact, what they were doing was creating Clintonista political clubs in violation of the Hatch Act and empowering them to seek the jobs of white males, who were targeted for replacement -- so "diversity" became a patronage gimmick, to attract people in the Civil Service to become political moles. Like Richard Clarke, for example, and Joe Wilson and his wife Valerie Plame, who were Clinton moles who suddenly broke the surface to attack Pres. Bush last year.
But the idea of salting sources of authority with "singer" shills is a new one -- and trust someone like Slick to think of something like that.
Bush has got to go on the warpath and clean all those people out of public life. Hogtie them, brand them, ship them off to the stockyards. Get rid of them.
Browning thought so much of the grip safety that he never again included it on any design, for example, the Browning Hi-Power.
Note the asterisk and the underscore. ;-)
Thanks for the history.
Duh. People who forget this will someday find themselves nominated for a Darwin Award.
I don't consider my guns to be "safe" until they are a pile of unconnected pieces lying on the table, waiting to be cleaned. That is the only time I'd be willing to say "this is an unloaded weapon".
We take safety steps that reduce the risks of everything from chain saws (so they don't kick back and cut off an arm) to refrigerators (so kids can't lock themselves inside). But firearms have been exempt. Companies make cellphones that survive if dropped"
...but none of these items are protected by an Amendment in the Bill of Rights.
That's my whole point.
Once again, I'm NOT agreeing with him or buying his argument.
I'm saying, again, his answers are all wrong, and I don't agree with his point of view.
BUT he is one of the few Dems who is actually thinking "We have to change or we're doomed." I don't think any of his changes are ones that would make me agree with him, but my point is that he is at least not blaming the Dems plight on "not getting the message out" but on the message itself.
I'm pretty sure that the need for group posts with special names such as *bang_list went away with the last major overhaul. The topics are now arranged according to keywords such as banglist.
Admin mod, correct me if I'm wrong.
That would be one Professor Michael Bellesiles.
Here's a sample debunking of his "research":
As should bicycles, staircases, edible sized toys, and the other greater child killers.
LOL ! oh yeah ,I forgot that one .Good advice.
" how about one for hiv infections while they're at it.."
I think HIV/AIDS kills more people in this country than guns do. I would think that most AIDS deaths are probably preventable too.
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services.
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. Yes, that is 80 million.
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.
Statistics courtesy of F.B.I.
Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, "Guns don't kill people, doctors do."
(My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute."-- Ayn Rand)
We have an annual Elmer Keith shoot; the targets are at 150 yds, and no scopes allowed - iron sights only. Most are pretty amazed at what you can do with a .22.
John Linebaugh's Six-Gun Seminar this last June saw some great results with .38 Special "plinker" loads at 500 yards, and .357 Mag at 600 yds. Folks shooting the full-house .475 and .500 loads were duly impressed!
Guns are as safe as they can be made. As with other inanimate objects, they do not rise up of their own volition and strike either out of instinct or with malice aforethought.
Do you have a link that explains the source of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services statistics. Unless they have new and better studies to base that number, they are using exaggerated numbers and blaming it all on docs. I started the thread. I'm a doc who believes in the Second Amendment.
As others have said, guns are quite safe. Unsafe guns tend not to do very well in the marketplace. The issues this clown brings up are all instances of unsafe handling practices, not unsafe guns. Strange that he doesn't propose teaching children to handle guns safely. Oh wait, the NRA already does that, and he certainly can't acknowledge THAT.
Nice graphic, otherwise!
I have a Colt .25 "vestpocket" model that uses the grip safety. It was made in 1918. Not 19th century.
Your point would make sense if it were applied equally to cars, bicycles, ladders, airplanes and every other item of manufacture which has been lawyered to death. Since this theory has not been applied in this way, it is difficult to develop a rationale as a result of which firearms are exempt from the standards applied to all other products.
Mandatory sentencing for the idiots that allow children access to guns should take care of the problem.
Attention sports fans:
The sensor/indicator of a loaded gun is a RED HERRING for law suits and lawyer seeking a new cash cow.
No matter how good it may be some fool will claim the "indicator showed unloaded" or "too hard to read".
Proper gun safety lesson number one is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS treat, assume and handle ALL guns as if loaded. Somebody hands you a gun they just checked to be empty YOU check it again. No indicator will work for a round in the chamber of an automatic without compromising safety from the explosion.
Thanks for the links Duncan. Good-to-go.
the number-one most effective gun safety measure:
a properly trained firearms operator.
the stats re: accidental discharge indicate that an NRA trained gunner is nowhere near as likely to cause such an accident as is a gunner with no NRA training. I forget the ration, but it was pretty impressive.
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This is garbage.
This was dealt with years ago.
There are some older ones that this may apply to but modern handguns will not fire unless the trigger is pulled, unless defective.
The government passed regulations requiring all handguns to pass a drop test around 1970.
The good news in that case is that Alex Penelas, who was considered THE rising star in the Florida Democratic Party, has since seen his star fizzle and will probably next be seen doing a McGreevey due to his personal predelictions. Nevertheless, his career was cut short at least partially by his advocacy of gun control for the "public health" a few years back.
IIRC, it's BS. His 1903 autopistol (1911 pre-cursor) lacked a grip safety.
IF they concede that handguns are a part of the fabric of American society, and they embrace this......what will be the reaction of the US public to an initiative by their leaders in Congress to push and pass legislation that would allow for total federal reciprocity for holders of concealed firearms permits under the 14th Amendment's Full Faith and Credit clause as well as the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection clause AND of course the Second Amendment? Meaning of course, that if your drivers license is good in another and all other states, so too, is your concealed weapons permit.
If they REALLY REALLY push this and successfully pass it with a majority, maybe even a super majority in House and Senate, then I'd say they have a good chance at regaining the White House next term, if their candidate also embraces the legislation. Maybe even with a comfortable majority of the votes. Even more so if they remain quiet and neutral on the issue of "assault weapons."
The difference is that traffic deaths are caused by accidents, preventable perhaps, but not deliberate acts. Most "gun deaths" are a result of someone's deliberate act. No amount of *legitimate* safety features are going to prevent those acts. Thus all the cries for "gun safety" laws, are just smokescreens for more gun control.
Nice try, but no Kewpie doll.
Not "gun safety" classes, those would become a forum for "Gun are evil" brainwashing. Shooting classes, where gun safety would be an integral part of the curriculum. Every freeman should know how to handle a gun. Just think how the presence of the "lab equipment" would tend to discourage anyone intending harm to the students in the school.
So gun accidents kill 33 children per year. Hmm. What about bottlecaps?
"Sadly, statistics indicate that there are 3,500 additional poisonings of children under age 5 each year".
What about other accidents involving children?
The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development reports that each year in the United States:
Residential fires injure about 12,000 children 14 years old or younger. Preschool children die in fires at twice the national rate.
About 50 children die in crib-related incidents and about a dozen die from choking on toys, balloons and other children's products.
About 83,000 children 14 years old or younger were treated for burns in hospital emergency rooms (1997 data).
Poison control centers have responded to about one million calls involving children under five years of age since 1990.
More than 350 children under five years of age drown in swimming pools; most of these are in home pools. Almost 3,000 young children are seen in hospital emergency rooms because of near-drowning incidents in pools.
More than 3,000 children age 14 or younger are treated for carbon monoxide poisoning in hospital emergency rooms.
More than 3,000 children under 10 years of age are treated in hospital emergency rooms for injuries related to inserting objects into electrical outlets.
About 4,700 children 14 years old and younger are treated in emergency rooms for injuries caused by falls from windows.
Thousands of children under six years of age are identified with elevated blood lead levels, which may cause damage to a child's developing brain. Nearly 900,000 children are estimated to have elevated blood lead levels.
The only situation I know where such locks are mandatory is in rental housing. Even then, at least in Texas, only that there be a blind deadbolt lock on each exterior door. No law whatsoever that they must be used. That's in contrast to various "lock up your safety" laws.
Still there is a fundamental difference. Locks on your house are not to keep you in, they are to keep others out. You wouldn't have the locks set up so that it took a key to get *out*. Not so with gun locks which are designed to keep everybody out.
Actually he was born in Conn. But he was raised in Texas, around oilmen, and thinks more or less like a Texan. He was educated in Texas through high school, but then went to college up east.
But you'd have to install stiff springs, and maybe some stabilization jacks to avoid flipping the truck over from the recoil, especially the smaller pickups.
Effectively, it's just like CCW, although they had the honesty to call it a tax back then. (Well only because the tax power was the only way the courts would let them do what the Constitution clearly said they could not do. Times have changed) It comes down to begging the government for a license to exercise your Constitutional right.
However things can be set right by increments. To start, eliminate the tax, or at least reduce it to a fee to cover the costs of issuance. Remove the CLEO sign-off requirement, and make it "shall issue" and base it on the same instant background check as for other arms.
'Course, .25 is pretty much the mildest autopistol caliber out there in terms of bang for a buck.
Different days, though, eh?
Start by repealing the 1987 gun-control act in toto. That's a real worm in the apple. Wonder what triggered that ban on production of full-auto weapons for civilian use?
But it needs to be found unconstitutional. A Class III FFL challenged the law in court, but SCOTUS wouldn't give him a hearing -- simply refused cert. They wouldn't do that to an Attorney General of the United States.
Time to get busy. Paging Dr. Emerson, Dr. Timothy Emerson, please!
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