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'God gene' discovered by scientist behind gay DNA theory (reader beware)
Telegraph ^ | 11/14/2004 | Elizabeth Day

Posted on 11/13/2004 7:47:12 PM PST by Former Military Chick

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To: mjtobias

Look, speaking as a straight guy -- I've had some hideous dates. I've been in some nightmare relationships. And I've encountered women that Rod Serling couldn't imagine. But the gay thing was never an option for me.


101 posted on 11/13/2004 8:56:21 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Former Military Chick

If one is a Calvinist, one might say that God gives the "brain chemicals" necessary for belief to his elect. And many classical Christians, who are not Calivinists, view belief to be an act of God on man (regeneration) rather than a voluntary act of man, himself.


102 posted on 11/13/2004 9:00:22 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: durasell

"The guy publishes a paper about god genes or gay genes and some other guy reads the paper and does his own research."

I get it. You want more and more people to read homo stuff in the hope that more will be brainwashed and turn homos. And, in turn more and more homos will disseminate homosexuality in the hope that it poisons the minds and spirits of more abonormal young men. And so it continues, ad infinitum.


103 posted on 11/13/2004 9:00:23 PM PST by mjtobias
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To: Former Military Chick
...in order to determine how spiritually connected they felt to the universe

Maybe they just discovered the genetic source of spiritualist wackoism. I have never met a Christian who described their faith as being "spiritually connected to the universe." Puh-LEEEZE.

104 posted on 11/13/2004 9:00:49 PM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.)
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To: speedy

Of course it means that. It also throws out any idea of objective truth. If I believe in God because my genes force me to do so, and some scientist does not believe in God because his genes force him NOT to do so, then there's no way to question or change our conclusions; it's all a matter of "my genes" vs. "his genes." This scientist probably thinks that his so-called research is a positive step in the direction of tolerance and mutual understanding; it's not. It's a step in the direction of stifling any sort of rational debate on important issues.


105 posted on 11/13/2004 9:02:38 PM PST by rhetor
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To: Former Military Chick
"Buddha, Mohammed and Jesus all shared a series of mystical experiences or alterations in consciousness and thus probably carried the gene," he said. "This means that the tendency to be spiritual is part of genetic make-up.

Wow, with inductive reasoning like this, why even bother with research?
106 posted on 11/13/2004 9:02:48 PM PST by billybudd
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To: durasell

If you were really straight as a board you would not disseminate this homo trash or make inappropriate use of the word "gay."

You have given yourself away by your own words.


107 posted on 11/13/2004 9:02:58 PM PST by mjtobias
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To: Former Military Chick

Unbelievable. This is crap.


108 posted on 11/13/2004 9:03:40 PM PST by freekitty
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To: mjtobias

I'd say -- if I had to guess -- there are probably under 5,000 people on the planet who read neurological studies at that level. The number of people who are active players in the field is probably under 500.


109 posted on 11/13/2004 9:04:46 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: ZellsBells

Yes, I can tell you why. We are unable to read people's minds, therefore, we cannot say that a specific gene is responsible for a way of thinking. Do you really believe that we have such a technology? Can you look at a chemical formula, and tell me what my zodiac sign is? This is modern science at it's most religious, and is total nonsense. A God gene. Riiiight. I suppose you can try to break down every behavior, every preference, every conviction, into a formula. I'd like to see the study, who, how many, methodology, etc. I'm willing to bet it's as bogus as a Jackalope's antlers.


110 posted on 11/13/2004 9:05:54 PM PST by jim35 (I'll bet Dasshole is Deeply Saddened now!!!)
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To: rhetor

Well put, rhetor. Just another way of evading responsibility for our decisions. Liberals always seem to come up with them.


111 posted on 11/13/2004 9:06:00 PM PST by speedy
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To: farmfriend

Well, in that case there must be a gene that causes not only idiocy but the need to proselytize the idiocy.

Maybe I'll ping the list. Thanks!


112 posted on 11/13/2004 9:06:21 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: durasell

Any time anyone has sex they can choose to do it or not do it.

And if someone feels homosexual urges, they can choose to stay that way or they can choose to change. There are thousands of ex-"gays".

Just as some people feel strong urges to cheat on their spouse - such people can choose to give in to their desires, or they can control them, and learn to overcome such desires.

Desires are funny things - the more you give in to them and express them, the more hold they have over you. The more you let them know that you are the master, and they must to do your bidding, the tamer they get. And another funny thing, that's the key to happiness.

Desires make very bad masters.


114 posted on 11/13/2004 9:12:02 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: ZellsBells
The notion of memes has evolved significantly over time. A good example of a meme is the "meme" meme. You're talking about them now on FR. Some time ago, it was an idea with which only a very few people were familiar.

You've caught the meme meme, and now you're spreading it.

You shouldn't be so preachy about things you don't understand. And just to make sure you spread it correctly in the future, the "parasitical" adjective is inappropriate as part of the definition, since a meme might be quite beneficial to its host.

You're also wrong about that which you attempt to imply regarding "gayness." It's safe for the rest of us to assume that your own gayness and the urge to facillitate the propagation that meme have corrupted your thinking with respect to many such loosely related concepts.

Do you see what I'm doing here?

Yes, you're lying and spewing sophistry in a effort to aggrandize yourself in your own eyes and in the eyes your gay friends by toying with "conservatives" on an internet forum.

Cute screen name, btw.

115 posted on 11/13/2004 9:12:20 PM PST by Yeti
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To: mjtobias

Here, read this. Promising research on brain function and behavior...

http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/301/301lect05.htm


116 posted on 11/13/2004 9:13:02 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
This is scientific research . . .

My suspicion is that it's social propaganda. If certain people with certain prejudices get positions of influence at respected journals a lot of public policy will end up being based on bad science.

See global warming and the Kyoto Treaty as one example. The claims of the gay gene have been found to be way overblown, too but many accept them without question.

117 posted on 11/13/2004 9:13:44 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: durasell

I'm guessing that more than 500 people have read this article, and that if it is given credence by the MSM, even greater numbers will be exposed to this eugenics propoganda (dysgenics?). It looks more to me like a political ploy, than a scientific discovery. No shouts of eureka from a great discovery, more like someone forcing the results to match his preconceived idea, for a purpose that has little to do with science.


118 posted on 11/13/2004 9:15:23 PM PST by jim35 (I'll bet Dasshole is Deeply Saddened now!!!)
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To: wolf24

The trouble is -- this research leaks out into the mainstream press and they choose the most sensational angle. They treat initial research as definitive. And they ignore all notes of caution the researchers usually provide.


119 posted on 11/13/2004 9:15:37 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Grannyx4

I have only one objection to the idea of predestination: it eliminates totally the need for a Savior and makes the death of Christ a cruel joke. If certain people are "programmed" to believe and therefore receive salvation, God would have not needed to send His Son here for "us men and our salvation."


120 posted on 11/13/2004 9:16:26 PM PST by milagro
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