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'God gene' discovered by scientist behind gay DNA theory (reader beware)
Telegraph ^ | 11/14/2004 | Elizabeth Day

Posted on 11/13/2004 7:47:12 PM PST by Former Military Chick

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To: little jeremiah

"They entire thing was 100% bogus. Total junk."

Well, that's why I said the study was small and the science wasn't definitive. If I had to characterize it, I'd probably say it was intriguing, but I'm obviously not as familiar with the particulars as you. So, I'll defer to you.

"But it hardly matters, since there are thousands of ex-"gays"."

I personally think they're only ex-gay in the sense that they've chosen to ignore or fight their preferred attractions. I also happen to suspect that homosexuality is a biological glitch in the wiring. No point in arguing the point, though, since neither one of us can really know what's in the mind or heart of every gay person.


141 posted on 11/13/2004 10:51:42 PM PST by MonaMars
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To: little jeremiah
As an ex-atheist, am I fighting my genes now, or before?

Indeed! Of course the same logic can be applied to former homosexuals.

142 posted on 11/13/2004 10:52:33 PM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: MonaMars
I personally think they're only ex-gay in the sense that they've chosen to ignore or fight their preferred attractions.

Are you interested in reading what some former homosexuals have said about that very subject?

143 posted on 11/13/2004 10:54:12 PM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: MonaMars

Hey, thanks for the defense on that -- a pointless exercise, but it's the thought that counts.


144 posted on 11/13/2004 10:56:01 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: scripter

"Science tells us the major factor behind homosexuality is environment,"

It may be the major factor. It may not. My point is that nobody definitively knows and, until the science, including our understanding of the human psyche, improves, we won't know. Until then, I guess we're all entitled to our opinions.


145 posted on 11/13/2004 10:56:28 PM PST by MonaMars
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To: MonaMars
It may be the major factor.

That's what science tells us. That's what science tells us at every turn. And that's one of the very big reasons why former homosexuals exist. But you're certainly entitled to an uninformed opinion on the matter.

If you want to change that status of your opinion from uninformed to informed, start here: Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links

146 posted on 11/13/2004 11:01:37 PM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: speedy

A similar thing happens occasionally in linguistics. Lefties like Steven Pinker (author of "The Language Instinct") have written of a "grammar gene" that causes us to use, for example, prepositions in a certain way. In theory, if the gene is faulty, such a person would consistently misuse this part of speech, despite training; additionlly, the bad gene should be transmissible to offspring. Pinker et al. became very excited back in the 1990s when such a family was in fact discovered (in Britain, I think) and wrote that this proved the existence of such a gene. On closer study by a different group of researchers, however, the family turned out to be simply SEVERELY mentally handicapped -- not just in language, but in everything, including an inability to tie their shoelaces correctly. Would this therefore point to the existence of a "shoelace tying gene?" It turns out Pinker and his fellow libs simply selected which parts of the data they wanted to look at and ignored the rest.


147 posted on 11/13/2004 11:05:10 PM PST by rhetor
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To: Bob J; CWOJackson

"...an American molecular geneticist has concluded that a person's capacity to believe in God is linked to brain chemicals."

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Hmmmmmmm. And all this time I thought it was faith?
I guess I still do.

2 CWOJackson

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Turn it around. Those with an absence of this gene may be predisposed to a reluctance accepting a higher authority than themselves.
11 Bob J


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Turn it around again. Assume all those who subscribe to this nonsense are stupid.

--- Stupid is as stupid does.


148 posted on 11/13/2004 11:06:29 PM PST by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: MonaMars
Since you don't have to repeat that discredited study any longer, here's exactly what you need:

In regards to homosexuality and genetics, the work of homosexual activist Dr. Simon LeVay has often been used to support the idea that homosexuality is genetic, and his work is still quoted to this day. But what did LeVay really find? Here is what LeVay said of his own work in a March 1994 interview with Discover magazine:

"[His 1991 research] made the unassuming LeVay one of the most misunderstood men in America. "It's important to stress what I didn't find," he points out with the courtly patience of someone who long ago got used to waiting for the rest of the world to catch up. "I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are 'born that way,' the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain --INAH3 is less likely to be the sole gay nucleus of the brain than part of a chain of nuclei engaged in men and women's sexual behavior. My work is just a hint in that direction--a spur, I hope, to future work."
Source: Interview with David Nimmons (March, 1994) "Sex and the Brain", Discover, Vol. 15, No. 3, p. 64-71.
149 posted on 11/13/2004 11:08:43 PM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

That's actually a responsible statement. Good science reporting. And the way a scientist should think.

You got anything on autism?


150 posted on 11/13/2004 11:11:28 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
And the way a scientist should think.

Indeed, but with the political correctness of homosexuality, good science is often rejected for the mere fact that it's not politically correct. That's not what science is about.

Sorry - nothing on autism.

151 posted on 11/13/2004 11:19:09 PM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: durasell

For what it's worth, LeVay continued looking for years after the above interview and recently gave up looking for a gene that causes homosexuality to become a homosexual activist.


152 posted on 11/13/2004 11:21:45 PM PST by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Former Military Chick
"You are a bigoted, Christian, redneck!"

"I can't help it. I was born this way. I have the VMAT2 gene! Do you think I have a choice in how I am made? You are the bigot! You are trampling my civil rights. I demand we order society to accomodate my inclinations!"

Thank God for reductio ad absurdum.

153 posted on 11/13/2004 11:23:46 PM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: scripter

Yeah, but maybe his initial discovery will come into play later. Perhaps in some unrelated field. That's the way science works. And we're just on the surface of understanding how the brain works.

And for the record, I tend to accept people pretty much as they are -- though in my experience, if their sexuality is the major event in their lives, they tend to be fairly boring people.


154 posted on 11/13/2004 11:25:56 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: scripter
Thanks for the ping.

You are welcome. The list of who to ping helps.

155 posted on 11/13/2004 11:32:21 PM PST by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: Former Military Chick

Absolute Bull*%#!

The abuse of real science continues.


156 posted on 11/14/2004 1:03:44 AM PST by Bandaneira (The Third Temple/House for All Nations/World Peace Centre...Coming Soon...)
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To: little jeremiah
Real freedom means being able to tell your mind "No, I think not." And then having it shut up.

LOL -- seems I've heard that definition before. I suspect you may be faith-delimited. You might be carrying "the gene". Did you have a high incidence of Dutch Reformed among your ancestors? ;^D

157 posted on 11/14/2004 2:00:01 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: milagro

I'm sorry, I took those words out of the Bible (Romans, chapter 8). I didn't think up predestination. The Lord said it. I'm only about a 3 point Calvinist myself...I don't claim to understand everyting about how God does things. I agree, we all need Jesus to save us, however, I don't think Paul was making that stuff up. I was also trying to mock the whole idea that there is a gene responsible for all our 'bad' behaivor; do you remember when it came out that there was a gene that predisposed one to alcoholism? Or how about the one for stealing? Those have all been 'found' in the last 30 years by some supposed expert in DNA. If you didn't understand my comments as mocking, then I obvioulsy failed at the joke.


158 posted on 11/14/2004 6:24:40 AM PST by Vor Lady
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To: Former Military Chick

Ridiculous!


159 posted on 11/14/2004 6:25:57 AM PST by TOUGH STOUGH
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To: All

I find this highly amusing only in it's blatant bias: This guy found a "God Gene", a "Gay Gene" yet the Gene that explains why some people are lazy insipid slobs who soak off of the rest of us seems to elude him. OOPS! That's right! I forgot, that wouldn't be PC!


160 posted on 11/14/2004 6:34:00 AM PST by Mr. C
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