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'God gene' discovered by scientist behind gay DNA theory (reader beware)
Telegraph ^ | 11/14/2004 | Elizabeth Day

Posted on 11/13/2004 7:47:12 PM PST by Former Military Chick

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Comment #51 Removed by Moderator

To: durasell

Being 'out' is so 'in' right now...


52 posted on 11/13/2004 8:12:50 PM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Iowa - back home in the red.)
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To: ZellsBells

By the rationale used by the "Gay Gene" proponents it would also logically follow that there is a beastiality gene, a foot fetish gene, and....oh, I don't think I need to go on.


53 posted on 11/13/2004 8:13:30 PM PST by wolf24
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To: Former Military Chick

I have discovered a gene that controls a predisposition to bratwurst, beer, and ice fishing. All my test subjects live in Wisconsin so the data may be a little skewed.


54 posted on 11/13/2004 8:14:03 PM PST by Honcho Bongs
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To: Honcho Bongs

LOL!!


55 posted on 11/13/2004 8:14:57 PM PST by Vor Lady
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To: Former Military Chick
Buddha, Mohammed and Jesus all shared a series of mystical experiences or alterations in consciousness and thus probably carried the gene

...yup, that's SCIENCE alright. (/sarcasm off)

56 posted on 11/13/2004 8:15:15 PM PST by spitlana
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To: ZellsBells

"Buddha, Mohammed and Jesus all shared a series of mystical experiences or alterations in consciousness and thus probably carried the gene," he said. "This means that the tendency to be spiritual is part of genetic make-up. This is not a thing that is strictly handed down from parents to children. It could skip a generation - it's like intelligence."

There are so many problems with this statement that I don't even know where to begin. If my brain had not spontaneously exploded halfway through this passage I'd give it a try.


58 posted on 11/13/2004 8:17:13 PM PST by wolf24
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To: Honcho Bongs

And don't forget dem Packers!


59 posted on 11/13/2004 8:18:00 PM PST by Santana (Proud aunt of niece serving in Iraq)
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To: ZellsBells

Oh man, I was just reading through the evolution thread a little while ago. I'm not touching that one!! lol


60 posted on 11/13/2004 8:18:14 PM PST by wolf24
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To: durasell

Why do pedophiles do it? Is there a pedophilia gene? How about foot fetishists? Murderers? Is there a murder gene? An adultery gene? Wife beater gene? A Democrat gene? Perversions are what they are... the result of a bizarre lifestyle choice.


62 posted on 11/13/2004 8:18:58 PM PST by jim35 (I'll bet Dasshole is Deeply Saddened now!!!)
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To: Former Military Chick

I have the "Beer gene."

And I am forever thankful.


63 posted on 11/13/2004 8:20:16 PM PST by Khurkris (That sound you hear coming from over the horizon...thats me laughing.)
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To: ZellsBells

I was just getting ready to say that the "Cubs-Fan-Gene" (CFG) is a particularly cruel genetic endowment that occurs in a percentage of the population. These poor creatures will be the first to tell you that it is definetely NOT A CHOICE! I, myself, was born with this gene so I'm an expert.


64 posted on 11/13/2004 8:20:46 PM PST by wolf24
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To: Former Military Chick; Jim Robinson; All

I have a gene that makes me believe Jim Robinson and Free Republic are magnificent !!!


65 posted on 11/13/2004 8:21:57 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: durasell

Ok, nice pedigree. It's a shame that all that education has gone to waste, just to promote a personal agenda.


67 posted on 11/13/2004 8:23:16 PM PST by jim35 (I'll bet Dasshole is Deeply Saddened now!!!)
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To: CWOJackson
"...an American molecular geneticist has concluded that a person's capacity to believe in God is linked to brain chemicals."

Cause and effect. Perhaps it is belief in God that is creating the chemicals. After all, certain thoughts/memories/etc. are related to activity in certain parts of the brain, so it would make sense if something as deep as faith resulted in some sort of chemical residue.

The same goes for his questionnaire. People who believe in spiritual forces will feel more spiritually connected.

He just got cause and effect backwards. I could also say that there is a strong relationship between forehead temperature and fevers. Does that mean that if I keep an ice pack on my head so that my forehead never gets hot I'll never get a fever?
68 posted on 11/13/2004 8:23:24 PM PST by ElectionTracker
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To: durasell

"You believe homosexuality is a choice? Why would someone choose a lifestyle that makes their lives markedly more difficult?"

Are you saying they lead very unhappy and empty lives? If so, why then do they call themselves "gay" and not homos?


69 posted on 11/13/2004 8:24:31 PM PST by mjtobias
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To: ZellsBells

"This would be like me telling you that I saw Osama bin Laden plummet from the pinnacle of the Eiffel Tower if and only if the moon was waning, crude oil prices were low, and American pop stars could sing."

lol--I'm not familiar with Dawkin's Theory of memes but if it includes hypotheses that would lead one to naturally think about things in terms of the quote above....I think I may have to look into it.


70 posted on 11/13/2004 8:25:03 PM PST by wolf24
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To: Former Military Chick

translation: homosexuals scientists want to set up a test for "homophobia" and stupidity for those who believe in God.

Homo-propaganda at work since they flubed up all the mythical homosexuality gene studies.

Junk science at its finest.


72 posted on 11/13/2004 8:27:09 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: ElectionTracker

The bodies capacity to produce various chemicals is often influenced by state of mind/peace of mind. The problem I have with the genetics claim is spiritual birth. How can someone find God later in life if it's genetic?


74 posted on 11/13/2004 8:28:15 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: ZellsBells

Having a PhD doesn't mean you are a good scientist. If you set out to prove a pre-determined idea, and structure your results in a certain direction, does your PhD make you immune to mistaken theories? Use your common sense, and don't bow down to someone just because they have a sheepskin. Do you really think that this kook is able to prove that there is such a thing as a God gene? Use your God-given ability to discriminate between what is real, and what is hype. This is total nonsense. We don't have any such ability to determine this any more than we can read each other's minds.


75 posted on 11/13/2004 8:28:42 PM PST by jim35 (I'll bet Dasshole is Deeply Saddened now!!!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I say bull-pucky!


76 posted on 11/13/2004 8:28:43 PM PST by MeekMom (When are the Hollyweirds moving to Canada/France?)
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To: Former Military Chick
Dr Hamer insisted, however, that his research was not antithetical to a belief in God. He pointed out: "Religious believers can point to the existence of god genes as one more sign of the creator's ingenuity - a clever way to help humans acknowledge and embrace a divine presence."

So those who have this gene, and believe God is no respecter of persons, must somehow also believe that He didn't give this gene to all humans equally?

Oh, now I get it...

77 posted on 11/13/2004 8:28:49 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Former Military Chick

It may indeed be possible that some genetic characteristic increases the likelihood a person would be 'religious'. So what? It's irrelevant whether a characteristic is genetically influenced or not. What matters is whether that characteristic is desirable in itself.


78 posted on 11/13/2004 8:29:21 PM PST by nosofar
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To: ZellsBells

I am familiar with the idea of memes "jumping from one person to the next" so to speak, perpetuating some belief or idea. Is that the basic idea (coming from a layman, remember).


79 posted on 11/13/2004 8:30:47 PM PST by wolf24
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Is there a wife-swaper gene?
Is there a sex-slave gene?
Is there a rubber fetish gene?
Is there a cross-dresser gene?
Is there a polygamist mormon gene?
Is there a spanking gene?
Is there a animal sex gene?

Skinner would laugh at these nutjobs.


80 posted on 11/13/2004 8:31:02 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: mombonn

Thank you for your post!
Does my heart good to hear the truth spoken.


81 posted on 11/13/2004 8:31:31 PM PST by MeekMom (When are the Hollyweirds moving to Canada/France?)
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To: longtermmemmory

You have nailed it, and quite succinctly, at that. Good job.


82 posted on 11/13/2004 8:33:40 PM PST by jim35 (I'll bet Dasshole is Deeply Saddened now!!!)
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To: durasell

Here we go again...
Listen, no one forces you to be gay. Everyone has a choice to act out as a sodomite or not to.
NO one is forced!


83 posted on 11/13/2004 8:33:49 PM PST by MeekMom (When are the Hollyweirds moving to Canada/France?)
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To: longtermmemmory

"Skinner would laugh at these nutjobs."

Personally, at the risk of getting seriously flamed, I think it is a combination of respondent conditioning and operant conditioning. And, I believe that there is also a genetic component----not a specific gene, but characteristics that interact with a person's environment (yes, being ugly is genetic).


84 posted on 11/13/2004 8:35:27 PM PST by wolf24
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To: mjtobias

I'm saying the vast majority of them lead lives in the same manner as everyone else -- trying to make the most of the hand dealt to them.


85 posted on 11/13/2004 8:35:46 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
You believe homosexuality is a choice? Why would someone choose a lifestyle that makes their lives markedly more difficult?

Ok how about:

You believe a rubber fetish
is a choice? Why would someone choose a lifestyle that makes their lives markedly more difficult?

You believe swinging
is a choice? Why would someone choose a lifestyle that makes their lives markedly more difficult?

You believe animal sex
is a choice? Why would someone choose a lifestyle that makes their lives markedly more difficult?

You believe incest
is a choice? Why would someone choose a lifestyle that makes their lives markedly more difficult?

You believe bondage sex
is a choice? Why would someone choose a lifestyle that makes their lives markedly more difficult?

There are ALL sexual behaviors. It is only now in modern history that this "non-choice" BS about homosexuality has come forward. Mostly championed by delusional ivory tower western universities.

It is a fetish which yeilds an orgasm. Nothing more nothing less. The weird becoming erotic and a fixation.

86 posted on 11/13/2004 8:37:09 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: jim35

I don't know why people act the way they do. There is a book out there called Why They Kill (Richard Rhodes) that discusses one theory in regards to violent criminals. The brain is such a delicate instrument, who can tell what screws up the wiring or the chemistry? But it's a field well worth exploring.


88 posted on 11/13/2004 8:38:18 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: longtermmemmory

"It is a fetish which yeilds an orgasm. Nothing more nothing less. The weird becoming erotic and a fixation."

See respondent conditioning.


89 posted on 11/13/2004 8:38:53 PM PST by wolf24
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To: durasell

"trying to make the most of the hand dealt to them."

they chose. No one forced them to be homosexuals.


91 posted on 11/13/2004 8:43:35 PM PST by mjtobias
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To: ZellsBells

I think the gene we all share to some extent is the gene that makes us ethically lazy and compels us to avoid responsability for our own actions. It's only the creativity and courage with which we strive to overcome our earthbound nature that makes us true humans. Stuff like the god gene and the gay gene and the obesity gene are just ways for setting ourselves up with an excuse to fail.


92 posted on 11/13/2004 8:43:43 PM PST by Calusa (Bush cooked Kerry's Goose!)
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To: durasell
Why would someone choose a lifestyle that makes their lives markedly more difficult?,p> Because they have a martyr complex.
93 posted on 11/13/2004 8:43:46 PM PST by bad company (Four more years.)
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To: durasell
You believe homosexuality is a choice? Why would someone choose a lifestyle that makes their lives markedly more difficult?

Why do people choose to rob banks when they know that will make their lives "...markedly more difficult"?

Why do some people choose to cheat on school tests when they know if they get caught it will make their lives "...markedly more difficult."?

Why do people choose to do all sorts of things that they know will eventually make their lives more difficult?

Because "A gene made me do it"? No, because they are weak and made a bad choice.

94 posted on 11/13/2004 8:43:48 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: mjtobias

So, by that logic -- anyone can decide they want to be gay? Some guy comes home from a bad date and says, "This whole woman thing isn't working out, I think I'll turn gay." And the next day he's gay. I don't buy that.


95 posted on 11/13/2004 8:46:21 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Former Military Chick
I'm not surprised.

This guy's gay gene theory is not being taken as seriously as it had been so he has to come up with something new and shocking to get his name back in the news.

Letters after one's name no longer has the credibility associated with it as it once had, and that's probably a good thing.

96 posted on 11/13/2004 8:46:47 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Auntie Dem

"Why do people choose to rob banks when they know that will make their lives "...markedly more difficult"?"

Robbing banks does NOT make the lives of the robbers more dificult, on the contray, it makes their lives much easier with the money they robbed.


97 posted on 11/13/2004 8:49:01 PM PST by mjtobias
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To: Tribune7

This is scientific research, it's not written in stone. The guy publishes a paper about god genes or gay genes and some other guy reads the paper and does his own research. He finds it's a gene combined with specific neural pathways and he writes a paper. Some other guy reads the paper and finds, yeah, its a gene with specific neural pathways and certain kinds of conditioning, and he writes a paper...that's the way science progresses.


98 posted on 11/13/2004 8:53:17 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

"So, by that logic -- anyone can decide they want to be gay?"

No. You don't choose happiness. If you look for happiness you won't find it; if you look for God you will find happiness.

OTOH, homosexuals do choose to be homos.


99 posted on 11/13/2004 8:53:33 PM PST by mjtobias
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To: ZellsBells

"Yes, that's the gist of it. Over 20 years after Dawkins proposed the idea of memes (curiously "me-me"s) they are treated as concrete entities, instead of what they really are--the leftover crumbles of behaviorism."

I am familiar with it. This theory is not the stuff of behaviorism, however. Someone who posits this theory may say that there is evidence in Skinner's theory on verbal behavior----not exactly a hallmark of contemporary behavior analysis (although you will see some behavior analysts go for the throat while debating Skinner's Verbal Behavior, which can be quite entertaining, by the way), but I wouldn't attribute it to either operant theory or classical conditioning as any behavior analyst/operant theorists would run like hell from any theory on memes.


100 posted on 11/13/2004 8:55:01 PM PST by wolf24
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