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'We have let things slip, and let extremists live under our noses'
The Telegraph ^ | nov 14 04 | Elizabeth Day

Posted on 11/14/2004 2:52:30 AM PST by Cutterjohnmhb

The streets of Rotterdam are silent apart from a whistling wind. Flickering neon signs advertising Halal butchers and falafel bars punctuate the grey facades of the tower blocks.

Splintered glass from a broken window that no one has bothered to repair is slowly trampled into the autumn leaves. In the distance, a mosque's minarets pierce the fog and drizzle.

Almost half the population of Rotterdam is of non-Dutch origin and the city is studded by grim ghettoes. Fifteen-year-old Rafih Bourdin has hunched his shoulders up against the cold. His head is wrapped in a red bandana and covered by a heavy, hooded top that almost entirely obscures his eyes.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dutch; holland; jihadinholland; netherlands; terrorism
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We have been too tolerant," says Joyce de Witt, 39, an office worker from Diemen, a town south of Amsterdam. "We need tougher immigration policies. For 20 or 30 years, we have let things slip and let extremists live under our noses.

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He says: "I get verbal abuse in the streets now from white Dutch ladies and that would never have happened before. Islam is a peaceful religion, but now we Moroccan Muslims have to work much harder for acceptance."

Of course it never happened before, they realize it isn't about multiculturalism,it's survival.

1 posted on 11/14/2004 2:52:31 AM PST by Cutterjohnmhb
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To: Cutterjohnmhb

Figures: it took the murder of a filmmaker to wake these people up.

I wonder what the libs would think if a fifth plane on 9/11 hit somewhere in Hollywood.


2 posted on 11/14/2004 2:59:10 AM PST by Terpfen (Anyone who worried about the election: crack a smile. We won.)
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To: Cutterjohnmhb; B4Ranch; Squantos; Travis McGee; stainlessbanner; Grampa Dave
Almost half the population of Rotterdam is of non-Dutch origin and the city is studded by grim ghettoes.

Oops. Right there you've got a problem.

3 posted on 11/14/2004 2:59:10 AM PST by risk
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To: risk
what problems?....isn't this the country of legal drugs, legal prostitution, and death upon request?

its a dang paradise, isn't it?

we've been lectured for years that if people can get drugs whenever they want and can go hire whores whenever they want legally, then everybody will be happy and peaceful and there will be no crime....

4 posted on 11/14/2004 3:04:48 AM PST by cherry
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To: risk

'Islam is a peaceful religion'. Now where have I heard THAT before. lol


5 posted on 11/14/2004 3:05:07 AM PST by Jazzman1
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To: cherry

Guess who works on the other side of the counter of those sleazy joints...


6 posted on 11/14/2004 3:09:09 AM PST by risk
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To: Cutterjohnmhb
'Islam is a peaceful religion'.

Yes, not that it matters that they cut heads of among other parts of the anatomy.
7 posted on 11/14/2004 3:18:25 AM PST by gakrak
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To: Cutterjohnmhb

I was in Rotterdam 20 years ago.It was a ghetti then and full of Arabs.


8 posted on 11/14/2004 3:18:56 AM PST by taca
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To: Cutterjohnmhb
'Islam is a peaceful religion'.

Yes, not that it matters that they cut heads off among other parts of the anatomy.
9 posted on 11/14/2004 3:19:18 AM PST by gakrak
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To: Cutterjohnmhb

Europe better wake up to their population and political problems. Declining native birth rates made immigration attractive by increasing tax receipts to cover huge government entitilment costs.

The US has to deal with baby boomers, the EU may well deal with baby bombers.


10 posted on 11/14/2004 3:24:34 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: Cutterjohnmhb
Sound familiar?

Politicitians and lawmakers encourage illegal immigration for decades..........sub-cultures are are formed within the country with separate languages etc. which disdain the majority culture.

The result?........People wake up one day and learn that half of LA speaks spanish and are illiterate.

And its too late to do anything.

11 posted on 11/14/2004 3:27:24 AM PST by Tripleplay
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To: Cutterjohnmhb
This is the path to a final solution from within Islam itself. The persecution of innocent Muslim's in foreign countries is unfortunate but inevitable. It will lead them to becoming fed up with their persona non grata status and squashing terrorism within their own ranks. That is the only way that terrorism within Islam will finally be quelled.
12 posted on 11/14/2004 3:27:25 AM PST by standupfortruth
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To: gakrak

This story should be sent to every one of of legislators. Maybe they'll get the big picture.


13 posted on 11/14/2004 3:29:32 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: Cutterjohnmhb

Great article. First, it points out what happens to a country when liberalism prevails. Second, Muslims are accomplishing what they could not do one thousand years ago. They are conquering Europe. Third, it raises the question as to whether the abandoning of Christianity in favor of secularism, socialism, and liberalism will not lead to the ultimate demise of a culture. Keep an eye on old Europe. We will see what happens when the "Progressives" run a culture. It will be like watching the implosion of communism in the former USSR.


14 posted on 11/14/2004 3:31:09 AM PST by Scales (Earth First, we will mine the other planets later)
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To: Tripleplay

It's not too late -- yet.


15 posted on 11/14/2004 3:36:17 AM PST by risk
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To: Cutterjohnmhb
Crosslinked:

 
Islam versus Holland- Red Cresent Rising?

16 posted on 11/14/2004 3:36:40 AM PST by backhoe ( Islam has become the 21st century version of Nazism.)
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To: Cutterjohnmhb

"Islam is a peaceful religion"

If by peaceful, they mean that they leave the christian, or jewish bodies in pieces, than yeah, islam is a pieceful religion.


17 posted on 11/14/2004 3:47:33 AM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: Scales

they will turn each eu town they live in into a diry little arab town.


18 posted on 11/14/2004 4:01:29 AM PST by magua
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To: Cutterjohnmhb

Joyce DeWitt bump.
19 posted on 11/14/2004 4:08:32 AM PST by AndrewB
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To: Cutterjohnmhb
Consider how the Europeans were so self righteous about our supposed bad treatment of Muslims after 911. Now look at their treatment of Muslims after one murder. That alone says a lot about our differences and just how hypocritical they really are.

And second, they talk about how Muslims shouldn't be judged by one event... The overwhelming majority of violence in the world today is generated my Muslims and it is hardly one event. It is daily and wide spread.

20 posted on 11/14/2004 4:12:40 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: tom paine 2

Don't count on any legislators, anywhere, ever becoming sufficiently aware of the seriousness of the situation to bestir themselves without an outcry from some part of the constituency that finds its interests compromised. And if this constituency is not sufficiently funded and motivated, their complaints go unheeded. Often some very small minorities, by selectively applying muscle, can succeed in incorporating very radical provisions into the law, and cause the administration of the government power to be so different from the accepted norm that people wake up one day, and ask themselves, how the H*ll did this happen here?


21 posted on 11/14/2004 4:20:11 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: Terpfen

Tim Robbins and Alec Baldwin would have tried to enlist.


22 posted on 11/14/2004 4:24:36 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (Thank You Veterans!!!)
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To: Cutterjohnmhb

It was Van Gogh's fault. He should have driven a bullet proof bike.


23 posted on 11/14/2004 4:28:28 AM PST by rudyudy
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To: Cutterjohnmhb
We have been too tolerant," says Joyce de Witt, 39, an office worker from Diemen, a town south of Amsterdam. "We need tougher immigration policies. For 20 or 30 years, we have let things slip and let extremists live under our noses.

And we all know how tolerant the Dutch were in South Africa.
24 posted on 11/14/2004 4:30:57 AM PST by aruanan
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To: standupfortruth

"The persecution of innocent Muslim's in foreign countries is unfortunate but inevitable."

Boo-hoo. If I were Dutch, I'd be ready to start the pogroms. Molotov cocktails are a very effective way of saying "you're not welcome here anymore".


25 posted on 11/14/2004 4:38:49 AM PST by Sharpie (Somebody pass the Krauthammer!)
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To: Cutterjohnmhb
We have been too tolerant," says Joyce de Witt, 39, an office worker from Diemen, a town south of Amsterdam. "We need tougher immigration policies. For 20 or 30 years, we have let things slip and let extremists live under our noses. ....note to BERKLEY, SAN FRANCISCO, SEATTLE and other LEFT-COAST CITIES.
26 posted on 11/14/2004 4:39:22 AM PST by no_mm ("Give War a Chance." - Michael Savage)
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To: risk

Correct. It just means there's hard work ahead.


27 posted on 11/14/2004 4:46:14 AM PST by freecopper01
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To: standupfortruth

-"The persecution of innocent Muslim's in foreign countries is unfortunate but inevitable."-

Yes, indeed. If there's another terrorist attack in the U.S., we'll be looking to our own non-integrated Muslim population for punishment. As if 9-11 wasn't enough of a wake-up call.


28 posted on 11/14/2004 4:56:36 AM PST by AmericanChef
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"Islam is a peaceful religion"

The sooner people stop repeating that lie the better. Islam does not teach "peaceful" no matter how badly you mutilate the cults scripture. It's the cult of death. Allah will kill you and enjoy torturing you in hell if you don't do exactly as he says, and that's kill others who aren't muslim. It's the only "religion" in which it's diety spends all his time in hell, stoking fires and torturing his creation. In fact before you are even born, half of it's adherents are predestined to go to hell, no matter what you do in life.
Since the 'god' of Islam spends all it's time in hell, it should give the normal thinking person a good idea who this wanna-be 'god' really is.


29 posted on 11/14/2004 4:58:08 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Cutterjohnmhb
All....repeat...all of these world wide attrocities and acts of pitiless cruelty are commited by Muslims....from wheel chair patients thrown overboard to school children executed in their classroom.

The Dutch are immersed in this with a government out of contact with reality

30 posted on 11/14/2004 4:58:57 AM PST by squirt-gun
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To: squirt-gun

A truth which MSM has proven itself incapable of realizing.
it's always an 'ethnic clash' or 'rebel goups'this and that. They never seem to be able to connect the dots and see that 99.9% of all conflicts are caused by Muslim groups expanding their ground.


31 posted on 11/14/2004 5:05:41 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

FWIW, The high school where I teach shows Channel One. Usually it's pretty balanced in reporting. But they just did a series on Darfur, never once mentioning the nature of the genocide, who's doing it, and why. It was just the government and "rebels". So, I gave them an assignment to research it, not telling them that it is just another of many Muslim wars against infidels, and a racist war of Arabs against blacks. The information is out there in the New Media. I hope they will be sufficiently impressed.


32 posted on 11/14/2004 5:16:39 AM PST by Chaguito
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To: Tripleplay
The result?........People wake up one day and learn that half of LA speaks spanish and are illiterate.
Ummm, not to splash cold water or anything but the city of LA has always been a place where 1/2 or more of the place spoke Spanish. For that matter NM, AZ, and parts of TX. Maybe we should prevent the people of PR from speaking Spanish, while we're at it. Should we prevent the 1/8 of the people in the state of LA from speaking French, well Cajun or Creole at least?
33 posted on 11/14/2004 5:19:37 AM PST by trentonrevolution (I apologize for my contrarian attitude, on second thought, no, I don't.)
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To: Cutterjohnmhb

The entire U.S. would look like Rottendam if our libs had their way.


34 posted on 11/14/2004 5:20:40 AM PST by razzle
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To: Terpfen
"I wonder what the libs would think if a fifth plane on 9/11 hit somewhere in Hollywood."

Well, one thing is certain. As much as we detest their politics and their need to spew them at every opportunity, there would still have been far more compassion for them and their families from most Americans than they ever showed to the victims and families of 9/11, or to the troops who have defended us.

35 posted on 11/14/2004 5:22:49 AM PST by sweetliberty (Proud member of the Pajama Posse!)
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To: trentonrevolution

"but the city of LA has always been a place where 1/2 or more of the place spoke Spanish"

I lived in LA in the late 70's, and half the city did NOT speak Spanish


36 posted on 11/14/2004 5:23:59 AM PST by razzle
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To: no_mm

Agreed. It's not just illegal immigration that's a problem, it's also legal immigration.


37 posted on 11/14/2004 5:24:49 AM PST by TOUGH STOUGH
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To: Cutterjohnmhb

I would guess that many of the Muslims living there are peaceful and came to find a new life. It is their responsibility to out the fundamentalist elements within their communities. It is also their job to assimilate and accept Western life. If they do not they have no one to blame but themselves.


38 posted on 11/14/2004 5:26:40 AM PST by foolscap
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To: tom paine 2

The same people have taken over the airport in Minneapolis.


39 posted on 11/14/2004 5:36:20 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: trentonrevolution

No offense but you are off base. LA has not always been a majority of spanish speaking illegals but it is now.

Twenty years ago, Dallas was a decent city..now Dallas and many of it's suburbs are crowded with illegals who not only don't speak english but are somehow afforded free education, medical and the free lunch program.

There is nothing wrong with speaking spanish but honestly, these people have no reason to learn because everything here is IN spanish.

When you move to an endangered state (CA,TX,AZ, with others to follow), you may have a better understanding of the problem that faces our country.


40 posted on 11/14/2004 5:36:23 AM PST by shattered
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To: no_mm

I would add "Note to the White House"


41 posted on 11/14/2004 5:38:52 AM PST by NRA1995 (Free Republic Inaugural Ball II, here I come!!!)
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To: Cutterjohnmhb

I would have to sum it all up in one simple syllogism, F all the damn mosleemms. They are the extremists and need to take a permanent vacation to mecca, prior to a nuke dropping in. Allah has spoken, Ha ha.


42 posted on 11/14/2004 5:38:56 AM PST by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Terpfen
I wonder what the libs would think if a fifth plane on 9/11 hit somewhere in Hollywood.

I'm not so sure they wouldn't say that they "brought it upon themselves by not doing more to reach out to the Muslim community."

43 posted on 11/14/2004 5:45:59 AM PST by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: shattered; razzle; All
Historically, the states of the southwest have had a large percentage of the population being of Hispanic descent. It went unnoticed until the "ethnic" rights rabble-rousers started poking around.
To deny the Hispanic pluralities of those states is to ignore history and one always does that at their peril. I'm sure their are libraries in your area that would cover such topics as The Mexican-American War and Manifest Destiny. Another clue might be LOS ANGELES is of Spanish derivation, as is California, Florida, New MEXICO, Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, and Texas to name a few.
44 posted on 11/14/2004 5:46:22 AM PST by trentonrevolution (I apologize for my contrarian attitude, on second thought, no, I don't.)
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To: trentonrevolution; All

Sorry, just because you don't see something, doesn't mean it's not there.


45 posted on 11/14/2004 5:47:34 AM PST by trentonrevolution (I apologize for my contrarian attitude, on second thought, no, I don't.)
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To: risk
Oops. Right there you've got a problem.

Add it to the list of problems the Dutch have. Living in a community originally and still largely populated by Dutch immigrants, who are largely conservative, I can't imagine these people have similar origins.

46 posted on 11/14/2004 5:51:27 AM PST by FourPeas (By gnawing through a dike, even a rat may drown a nation. ~Edmund Burke)
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To: Cutterjohnmhb

A real life 'Camp of the Saints'.


47 posted on 11/14/2004 5:52:47 AM PST by Crawdad (Mirror, mirror on the wall, what the %#@& happened?)
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To: trentonrevolution
Maybe we should prevent the people of PR from speaking Spanish, while we're at it.

I'm not an historian on LA, but I seriously doubt Spanish was a 50% language in the 30's and 40's.

Also, when did I say we should "prevent" the speaking of any language?

IMO, llegal immigration is producing separate cultures and multiculturalism is winning.

Whether its good or bad for the country is the debate which should be taking place.

48 posted on 11/14/2004 5:56:58 AM PST by Tripleplay
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To: foolscap
I am reposting what was said in this forum by another poster that to me expresses everything that neesds to be said.

"It would be a grave mistake to only treat these Jihadi attacks as a law enforcement issue to be dealt with after the fact, or even as an intelligence issue to follow avowed extremists and extremist groups. The problem is that the vast majority of Muslims will be outwardly peaceful while harboring an intense hatred of anything non-Muslim. There will always be jihadists coming out of nowhere to perpetrate barbarism on the rest of society. As Islam grows the attacks will grow worse until they feel strong enough to come out in mass to impose Shari'a on everyone. That is the model devised by Mohammad in Mecca and Medina - small atrocities by a core cadre while building a following and then sudden violent takeover.

If the idea is to protect people from Muslim violence, the target must be Islam as a whole. The scriptures of Islam provide the basis for violence against non-Muslims to promote Islam as well as against Muslims as an enforcement mechanism within Islam. Islam should be regarded as an ideological movement rather than a religious one. Even though intenally it has a religious dimension, the important point for non-Muslims is that its aim is not merely a way of life for adherents or even conversion, but control of every aspect of life for Muslims and non-Muslims alike. And while most Muslims may never commit a violent act in their lives, a society of Muslims will always breed and include an enforcement cadre that can only be checked and removed by eliminating all of Islam or reducing it to isolated individuals. Any large group of Muslims inevitably contains a dangerous core that takes the teachings of Islam in their totality more seriously than most."

49 posted on 11/14/2004 5:57:09 AM PST by ZeitgeistSurfer
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To: Terpfen
"Figures: it took the murder of a filmmaker to wake these people up."

Wow!!! What insight... lets have Moore of them!!! ;)

50 posted on 11/14/2004 6:12:19 AM PST by Dacus943
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