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Radical Islam Appears to Be Spreading
ap ^ | 11-14-04 | BRIAN MURPHY

Posted on 11/14/2004 12:26:17 PM PST by No Blue States

ATHENS, Greece - The same day Dutch mourners gathered outside a crematorium for a final goodbye to slain filmmaker Theo Van Gogh, police on the other side of the world made a horrific discovery in a hut: the decapitated body of a Thai laborer.

The two events - in settings as different as tidy and prosperous Holland and a tropical rubber plantation in southern Thailand - bear similarities that suggest new flash points in the global struggle against radical Islam.

A note impaled on Van Gogh's body by the alleged Muslim killer threatened further attacks against Dutch politicians in the name of Islam. The body of the 60-year-old Buddhist worker in Thailand also was found last week with a message: "More will be killed" in revenge for the deaths of 85 Muslim protesters last month in a region with a mounting Islamic insurgency.

"The fault lines are growing," said Fawaz Gerges, a professor of Middle Eastern and International Affairs at Sarah Lawrence College in Bronxville, N.Y. "It's not just between the Muslims and non-Muslims. It's also within Islam itself. It's a battle between moderate Muslims and extremist forces that threaten to hijack Islam."

The most recent hot spots zigzag around the atlas - from Liberia in West Africa to the Netherlands to Southeast Asia. They join a growing roster of places already feeling the strains of religious conflict and terrorism along the edges of the Islamic world - regions as diverse as Chechnya, Nigeria, Spain, Central Asia and the Philippines. Even China is worried about separatist sentiment in its vast and mostly Muslim western province of Xinjiang.

"The militant voices on the street are gaining credibility in more and more places," said Gerges. "That's a worrisome trend."

Part of the reason, many Islamic experts say, can be traced to global communications that forge common points of reference such as al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden's defiance or the guerrilla attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq. But even more powerful rallying cries come from firebrand imams and opinion-shapers: that Islam is under threat and it's the duty of followers to take a stand.

In Amsterdam, a moderate imam, Abdel Eillah, feared the scales were tipping in a troubling direction among Muslim immigrants in Europe who fail to adapt.

"When I hear young men praise violence in the name of Islam, I fear for my faith and I fear for the world. We must fight it before it's too late," he said after the Nov. 2 slaying of Van Gogh, whose work included harsh commentary against traditional Islam. "I didn't like what Van Gogh said, but he should not pay with blood."

Dutch police moved sharply against suspected Islamic radicals following the murder. Last Wednesday, special forces stormed a house in The Hague following a 15-hour armed standoff. The two suspects captured - among more than a dozen detained since the Van Gogh slaying - are under investigation for possible links to terrorist cells accused of plots in Morocco and elsewhere.

New laws were proposed to give Dutch authorities greater powers to hold and investigate suspected terrorists.

"Extremism is reaching the roots of our democracy," the Netherlands' prime minister, Jan Peter Balkenende, said last week in Parliament.

Or as former U.S. ambassador Richard Parker terms it: "The common language of Islamic militancy is growing louder."

"This is not something that happened overnight. It's a feeling of injustice among Muslims that goes back decades," said Parker, who served as a diplomat in Lebanon, Algeria and Morocco. "But now it's become much more legitimate to say that violence and 'holy war' is the proper way."

The Van Gogh killing and backlash has captured headlines. But the bloodshed in southern Thailand could mark a resurgence of a long-simmering Muslim insurgency and, some officials fear, fertile ground for Islamic terrorists.

Thailand's Muslim minority has complained for decades about economic and social discrimination by Buddhist authorities. Violence subsided in the 1990s after government concessions for greater funds and Muslim political representation. But the calm began to erode in recent years.

In April, more than 100 Islamic militiamen were killed in raids on security posts. On Oct. 25, at least 85 Muslims died when security forces dispersed a demonstration outside a police station. Most of the victims suffocated or were crushed after being packed into army trucks.

More than 500 people have been killed this year in three southern Thai provinces, including attacks targeting Buddhists in possible bids to drive out non-Muslims. On Friday, suspected Islamic insurgents gunned down a non-Muslim boxing instructor.

Authorities are investigating possible links between separatist groups and Islamic terrorist organizations such as Jemaah Islamiyah, which seeks a pan-Islamic state in Southeast Asia. It's blamed for attacks including the 2002 bombing in Bali that claimed 202 lives.

Hambali, accused of being Jemaah Islamiyah's operations chief and bin Laden's alleged point man in Asia, was arrested in Thailand last year and it's unclear how much the group has rebounded.

Thitinan Pongsudhirak, an assistant professor of international relations at Bangkok's Chulalongkorn University, believes the strong retaliation from authorities "can only galvanize the Muslim insurgency in the south."

"We have not yet seen escalation," he said. "But I still think we may be headed from bad to worse."

He speculated that the attacks could move out of the south to hit Thailand's vital tourism industry.

"The gruesome fashion of these (beheadings) by presumably Muslim assailants ... is not normal violence," said Pongsudhirak. "It is driven by deep animosity and hatred."

In West Africa, a rare outbreak of Christian-Muslim violence in Liberia last month stunned authorities and drew comparisons to nearby Nigeria, where more than 10,000 have been killed in sectarian clashes since 1999.

At least 16 people were killed and more than 200 others injured in Liberia's capital, Monrovia, where five churches and two mosques were set ablaze. U.N. troops stepped in to restore order.

"We are seeing more tears in the fabric between Muslims and non-Muslims," said Mohammad Khalil, who researches Islam and modern society at the Middle East Institute in Washington. "In too many minds, violence has replaced dialogue; calls for separation have replaced efforts at coexistence. These are not good signs."


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No comment, Just fyi. Interested in reading the thoughts of others on subject.A search on "Radical Islam" did not show this article.
1 posted on 11/14/2004 12:26:17 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States

Perhaps we are just hearing more about it. Prior to 9-11, muslim vs nonmuslim butcheries in offshore locations were not front page news.


2 posted on 11/14/2004 12:28:04 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf
Yes, I guess we woke up on Sept 11th and realized what Israel and the rest of the World has been aware of for some time.
3 posted on 11/14/2004 12:31:02 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States

The title should read: "Rest of the World Wakes Up - Welcome to the Party Pal"


4 posted on 11/14/2004 12:31:03 PM PST by RtWngr (Being tolerant of the intolerant is pretty stupid actually.)
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To: RtWngr

Radical Islam appears to have trouble spreading in Fallujah lately at least.


5 posted on 11/14/2004 12:32:52 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States
"The fault lines are growing," said Fawaz Gerges, a professor of Middle Eastern and International Affairs at Sarah Lawrence College in Bronxville, N.Y. "It's not just between the Muslims and non-Muslims. It's also within Islam itself. It's a battle between moderate Muslims and extremist forces that threaten to hijack Islam."

Three years ago moderate Muslims said that they did not have to denounce the 9/11 attacks because they had no ties to radical Islam.... that radical Islam was not true Islam and thus the attackers were not really muslims.

Meanwhile the radical clerics and mosques have continued to recruit and murder in the name of Mohammed.

Islam was already hijacked (or its true nature revealed). Reformation can only come from within the muslim religion but too many muslims still see no need to speak out.

6 posted on 11/14/2004 12:33:26 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: No Blue States
Radical Islam Appears to Be Spreading

And must be stopped. By whatever means necessary.

Now.

7 posted on 11/14/2004 12:33:27 PM PST by NewLand (God Bless America and God Bless President Bush!)
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To: No Blue States

There are a million in Brazil, 300,000 in Argentina, and a full 25% of the population of Suriname.


8 posted on 11/14/2004 12:33:32 PM PST by Porterville (IT'S GOOD TO BE REPUBLICAN- ASK ME HOW)
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To: No Blue States
Radical Islam; it's all right there in the "holy" Koran.

Moderate Islam is an apostacy, according to the "holy" Koran.

Islam will have no reformation. When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, murder, misogyny and terror come hot on its heels to the detriment of all.
9 posted on 11/14/2004 12:36:20 PM PST by broadsword (Weren't there a couple of giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? What happened to them?)
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To: Porterville
Not including all of the colonial-era British transplants in places like Guyana, Trinidad, etc., etc.
10 posted on 11/14/2004 12:36:21 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("They don't want some high brow hussy from NYC characterizing them as idiots..." (Zell Miller)
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To: weegee
Meanwhile The Mosques and clerics continue to preach terrorism. Good to see we have arrested a few clerics and bombed a few mosques disguised at forts.

I wonder where this all ends though. China used to be my main concern, now it is the spread of this disease called Radical Islam. And Ive yet to see much of the moderate variety.

11 posted on 11/14/2004 12:37:35 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States

Because they don't have a strong Constitution like the USA perhaps the Dutch should simply outlaw the religion of ISLAM and focably expatriate all foriegn born adherents.


12 posted on 11/14/2004 12:38:15 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: weegee
"Reformation can only come from within the muslim religion..."

Dream on...

"...radical clerics and mosques have continued to recruit and murder in the name of Mohammed."

Mohammed sanctioned muder.

13 posted on 11/14/2004 12:38:22 PM PST by NewLand (God Bless America and God Bless President Bush!)
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To: No Blue States

Radical Islam Rising
One percent of one billion is a lot:
http://www.amconmag.com/01_13_03/borchgrave7.html


14 posted on 11/14/2004 12:39:25 PM PST by Gucho
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To: No Blue States
"In too many minds, violence has replaced dialogue; calls for separation have replaced efforts at coexistence. These are not good signs."

By "in too many minds" they mean that they now realize that we are going to fight back and they think it is a mistake. Maybe they think we should be more sensitive, sit down with the terrorist and share our feelings.
15 posted on 11/14/2004 12:41:42 PM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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To: weegee
Reformation can only come from within the muslim religion but too many muslims still see no need to speak out.

The problem is that Islam is incapable of reforming. Criticism of Islam is considered blasphemy.

At its root, Islam is violent and, as the Imams spread a return to its roots, there is nothing to return to but violence and hatred.

Tolerant muslims are the ones deviating from the Quran...not the fundamentalists.

16 posted on 11/14/2004 12:48:41 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Gucho
From your link:

One percent of 1.2 billion is 12 million Muslim fanatics who believe America is the Great Satan, fount of all evil, to be attacked and demolished. Whether al-Qaeda is centralized as it was before 9/11 or decentralized, as it appears to be after Bali and Mombassa, is immaterial. Islam is the world’s fastest growing religion. From Sweden (660,000 Muslims out of 5.8 million people) to Switzerland (also 10 percent), Senegal and Somalia in Africa, Sumatra and Singapore in Asia, and South America (especially Brazil and Venezuela), there are Wahhabi and Deobandi mosques. And that’s just the countries beginning with the letter S.

Muslims are a majority in 63 countries. Of the 30 conflicts now under way in the world, 28 concern Muslim governments or communities. Amir Taheri, an Iranian author and journalist, says two-thirds of the world’s political prisoners are held in Muslim countries, which also carry out 80 percent of all executions each year.

Is Islam, as President Bush keeps repeating, “a faith based upon peace and love and compassion” committed to “morality and learning and tolerance”? Yes and no. Radical Islam is committed to jihad against the United States and Israel, or a war of civilizations between the Judeo-Christian West and the impoverished Muslim world. The Wahhabis and Deobandis hate all things American, and are intolerant vis-à-vis all religions outside their own warped view of Islam. Moderate Islam is yet to find a voice that will roll back the extremists, a sort of Islamic Martin Luther, or at least a Martin Luther King.

17 posted on 11/14/2004 12:50:12 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: broadsword
You are right and you are wrong.

Islam is an antiChristian religion, when I say this, I do not know if Mohammed was THE antiChrist but he was AN antiChrist figure. He rewrote the Judeo-Christian Bible to suit his agenda for power. He denounced the divinity of Christ and the resurrection; these 2 acts make him an antiChrist. He speaks in the name of religion, acknowledging Jesus Christ, and then leads the flock astray (billions have served him).

Islam has several "truths" that prohibit reformation/tampering with Mohammed's text.

Mohammed called himself "the last prophet". Jews await the first coming of God incarnate, Christians the second and when He comes again we should be on the same page as to who He is. Muslims have their teacher who has forbidden them to look for any other.

The one sure sign that Imam agree permits muslims to engage in a physical holy war (jihad) against the Judeo-Christians (people "of the book"), moderate muslims, and everybody else (infidel) is when a nation attempts to "suppress" Islam. Even a reformation movement as to suppressing certain aspects of Islam can be a trigger for radical muslims to go to war.

Islam itself cannot be reformed. I do not say that we can outlaw it (we have no prohibition on people believing in astrology either) but we can defang it and not permit the church sponsored violence (taking the radical clerics/mosques down as the terrorist cells they are). We can pressure Islamic nations to not discriminate against people of other faiths; no distinctions in the law between muslims, Judeo-Christians, and "everybody else"; no death sentences for muslims who convert away from Islam or people openly practicing other faiths.

The KKK is permitted to exist in America but it cannot advocate violence. It is your God given right to be stupid and reject His teachings. Come to Him through free will.

The other side of reformation can come from muslims who wake up to the fallacy that is Islam and return to the Judeo-Christian Bible (whether they choose to accept Christ as divine or man).

18 posted on 11/14/2004 12:52:18 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: No Blue States
First destroy radical Islam.....

then crush the rest!

It's time for moderate Muslims to rise up and defend their religion with peace at last.

If they don't.........well Bush said it best.

Your either with us or you're with the terrorists!!

19 posted on 11/14/2004 12:53:15 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (NO SPECTER)
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To: weegee
but we can defang it.

A hopeful comment. We might be able to defang it publically (driving the violent adherents underground) but even if that were successful it could only be done in non-muslim countries.

And how can hostile Islam be defanged with regard to its eternal threat of the destruction of Israel?

20 posted on 11/14/2004 1:01:36 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
"First destroy radical Islam..... then crush the rest! It's time for moderate Muslims to rise up and defend their religion with peace at last. If they don't.........well Bush said it best. Your either with us or you're with the terrorists!!"

Amen. Let's roll!

Luigi

21 posted on 11/14/2004 1:02:21 PM PST by LuigiBasco (It's LONG past time to restart The Crusades. (What are we waiting for!))
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
religion with peace

The only peace in Islam (for non muslims) is dhimmitude and hudna.

22 posted on 11/14/2004 1:04:33 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: weegee
I hope this doesnt sound dumb..or simplistic.
What do you think the solution is to this problem?
23 posted on 11/14/2004 1:05:25 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States

Steve walks warily down the street,
With the brim pulled way down low
Ain’t no sound but the sound of his feet,
Machine guns ready to go
Are you ready, are you ready for this
Are you hanging on the edge of your seat
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I’m gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

How do you think I’m going to get along,
Without you, when you’re gone
You took me for everything that I had,
And kicked me out on my own

Are you happy, are you satisfied
How long can you stand the heat
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat

Chorus

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
There are plenty of ways you can hurt a man
And bring him to the ground
You can beat him
You can cheat him
You can treat him bad and leave him
When he’s down
But I’m ready, yes I’m ready for you
I’m standing on my own two feet
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
Repeating the sound of the beat


24 posted on 11/14/2004 1:09:48 PM PST by deathb4dishoner
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To: No Blue States
Weegie...not to speak for you but have have already given the answer...

...wake up to the fallacy that is Islam and return to the Judeo-Christian Bible (whether they choose to accept Christ as divine or man).

If, as many fear, Islam is demonic, there will be no reformation and Islam will not cease until non-muslims are converted or killed.

25 posted on 11/14/2004 1:09:50 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: No Blue States
I guess that whole Ayatollah-hostage thing back in '79 wasn`t just an isolated incident. Thanks Brian Murphy for clearing this up for me.
26 posted on 11/14/2004 1:14:30 PM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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To: weegee
Reformation can only come from within the muslim religion but too many muslims still see no need to speak out.

I don't think it's possible, and 1400 years of Muslim history and theology will bear me out. The entire religion is completely corrupted by it's own scriptures.

The only answer to this death cult is "Jesus", a name which they sort of acknowledge but actually deign to scorn. Only a radical change of their individual hearts by the Holy Spririt is going to do it. That is not possible under their religion and it never was. But with God, all things are possible and for these poor souls, the Gospel of Jesus is their only hope.

27 posted on 11/14/2004 1:19:02 PM PST by Gritty ("Islam has bloody borders" - Samuel P. Huntington)
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To: weenie
The chances of evangelizing them seems less than slim. So then that leaves as the only option to continue killing the militants where they arise? As their number grow so must ours, or is our military edge so great that we can defeat this cancer with the few (but comparative small in strength) allies we do have?

Im trying to figure out the end game.

28 posted on 11/14/2004 1:23:45 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States; weegee

There is a group called Apostates of Islam who want to eradicate it through education.

From their website:

"...Today the humanity is facing a great danger. Islamic fundamentalism is on the rise and the hatred is brewing in the minds of millions of Muslims. This hatred must be contained or there would be disastrous consequences. We believe that the education is the only answer. Muslim intellectuals must realize that Islam is a false doctrine and they must let the rest of Islamic world know the truth. Islam is a religion that thrives on the arrogant assumption that it is the most logical, the most scientific and the most perfect religion. While the fact is that it is the stupidest doctrine — the most backward and absurd belief. Once the truth about Islam becomes common knowledge, it will be weakened and the Islamic fanaticism will lose its fangs. Hundreds of billions of dollars are being expended to combat Islamic terrorism, yet no effort is made to contain the ideology behind this terrorism. It is our belief that Islamic terrorism will not be eliminated unless and until the ideology behind it is exposed and eradicated. This is what we intend to do."

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/main.htm


29 posted on 11/14/2004 1:25:32 PM PST by OK
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To: No Blue States

Just kill everyone who claims to be an Islamists. Then kill those that lied.


30 posted on 11/14/2004 1:30:01 PM PST by blam
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To: OK
Good for them, I hope they have bodyguards. Thanks for the link, its bookmarked for further study.

Thanks everyone for the replies. I have 2 daughters whose future concerns me, considering the spread of radical islam in their lifetimes.

31 posted on 11/14/2004 1:30:22 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: OK
"Islam" is a political/legal theory grafted onto pre-existing religions.

The followers would be best to wake up to Mohammed's rhetoric and find another religion.

Good that someone is helping them to make that transition.

32 posted on 11/14/2004 1:30:29 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: blam

lmao!


33 posted on 11/14/2004 1:30:38 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States
"China used to be my main concern, now it is the spread of this disease called Radical Islam. "

There isn't a moderate Islam. Kill'em all.

34 posted on 11/14/2004 1:31:37 PM PST by blam
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To: No Blue States

Education. Toss Islam on the trash heap of bad ideas and convince moderate muslims to return to the original Biblical text rather than Mohammed's rewrite.


35 posted on 11/14/2004 1:36:52 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: blam

The silence of the moderates are deafening no doubt.
Even if some were they would probably be killed by their own radicals.


36 posted on 11/14/2004 1:36:56 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: Gritty; No Blue States
Radical Islam is redundant.

Quran
AL-FATH (VICTORY, CONQUEST) 048.029

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel - like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot and strengtheneth it and riseth firm upon its stalk, delighting the sowers - that He may enrage the disbelievers with (the sight of) them. Allah hath promised, unto such of them as believe and do good works, forgiveness and immense reward.

How about that, you get marked in your forehead by bowing to Mecca.

37 posted on 11/14/2004 1:37:13 PM PST by Jeremiah Jr (Here comes Chanukah...)
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To: weegee

BTTT


38 posted on 11/14/2004 1:41:12 PM PST by Gritty ("Islam has bloody borders" - Samuel P. Huntington)
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To: No Blue States; MEG33; ChadGore
No comment, Just fyi. Interested in reading the thoughts of others on subject.A search on "Radical Islam" did not show this article.

Watch the following clip entitled The World without America and let me know what you think.

#350 - "The World without America" - The Music Video

Also this entire site is an eyeopener to what is being taught and preached by our enemies.

39 posted on 11/14/2004 1:42:43 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: No Blue States
"From your link:"

This is also from the link I sent you:
Most imams in the thousands of mosques in European countries can preach anti-U.S. and anti-Saudi-royal-family sermons with impunity.

It's like promoting KILLER'S and should be CURTAILED ASAP!

40 posted on 11/14/2004 1:44:11 PM PST by Gucho
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To: weegee
But we do not have control over their education, meanwhile the madrassas continue to churn out more radicals.

Maybe elections and freedom in Iraq could have a positive impact on the overall problem.

Maybe people with freedom, jobs and money would rather enjoy living life as opposed to killing and to die for allah. I have much to learn on the subject, just speculating.

41 posted on 11/14/2004 1:44:29 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: weegee
Good that someone is helping them to make that transition.

That is certainly a positive step...but it sounds a lot like pulling up weeds one at a time from a thousand acre farm.

Like Churchill said:

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants.

Well, it looks like the truth is about to put its pants on...one way or another.

42 posted on 11/14/2004 1:54:04 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: No Blue States
We have no say in their education, true, but we can put pressure on them to be tolerant of other faiths and permit freedom of religion in their nations.

There is no global interest in this (the left does not mind the oppression of people in Islamic nations but is fearful of Christians in elected office in America) but the only way to be able to crack down on violent muslims is to out them. The only way to convert muslims away from Islam is to permit the open practice of other faiths.

Nobody said this was going to be easy or quick but it is NECESSARY for safety around the globe. The 21st Century Crusades do not have to be fought violently but there should be no reluctance to push back. The end goal is the same; the erradication of this death cult that made a serious stab into Europe hundreds of years ago.

Imam today still believe that slavery is legal (and cannot BE outlawed as it is permitted by the Koran). Slaves must be seized in jihad though and doled out in an Islamic terroritory (thus the distinction that Islam IS a political system and not strictly a religion).

Spain was a Western Islamic capital although it is no longer. I WILL NOT see them stake out more empires in the West.

43 posted on 11/14/2004 1:54:34 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: No Blue States

It's called infiltration. It happened while the rest of us weren't even aware that it was happening (which means they had a plan). Muslims are now in every country in the world. How do you fight the enemy when he is everywhere and in all countries? The thing to do would be to stop it NOW. Deport all Muslims from all countries. That's the only sane thing to do. But, of course, we won't. No country will. And so, the future looks pretty bleak.


44 posted on 11/14/2004 2:00:02 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: No Blue States
Saudi Cleric on American Democracy, Globalization, and Haircuts

10/25/2004

The following are excerpts from an interview with Saudi cleric Saleh Al-Munajid

Interviewer: The Muslims are unhappy with democracy because of its form in Western societies. Liberty and human rights make some Muslims angry. Why does this term make them angry?

Saleh Al-Munajid: If you compare Un-Islamic regimes, some of them would be bad and the others would be worse. It is a known fact. For instance, if you compare between a tyrannical, evil, oppressing regime and Western democracy – which is better? Western democracy is better. But is it our dream come true? No!

Take the issue of elections, for instance. What do you think of a voting system like the American one that gives a physician, an intellectual, an astronaut, an intelligent person and the head of the family, a vote that has the same weight as the vote of an ignorant, a fool, an idiot, an imbecile, a hippy, a bum, an unemployed man, who has no diploma, culture, or brains. What is this?!

Interviewer: What should we do then? This globalization influences (Muslim) identity and imposes the English language, for example. Should we resist this globalization? Must we reject this globalization altogether?

Saleh Al-Munajid: Globalization stems from our religion. Allah sent Muhammad out of mercy. He sent him for all mankind. Therefore, it is our duty to globalize the world around Islam and call the world to join Islam: "you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around her." This means the entire world. This religion was sent to the entire world. Globalization, in principle…

Interviewer: We are the source of globalization.

Saleh Al-Munajid: We are the source of it. The problem is that globalization now comes from the others to us. Therefore, we are being globalized, and not globalizing others. We want to turn the tables.

My brother, there is the crab haircut, the lion haircut, the mouse haircut… They didn't leave out a single haircut. Nowadays, we hear amazing things. It's no longer just the barbershop chair. They are leisure salons and coiffure – coiffure which is explicitly for men. They dye hair and put on makeup, as the viewer had mentioned, and there is the third sex, and the fourth... Westernization is very clear. Today when a young man leaves a barbershop you can't tell which planet or country he came from, because of the haircuts and makeup. Some leave the barbershop with hair that looks like a thorn-bush, others look like a jinn. Allah said about the Zaqoum tree (in hell) that it looks like the heads of demons, and this young man's head also looks like the head of demons. This is Westernization and the loss of identity.

45 posted on 11/14/2004 2:00:13 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: No Blue States

Let them try that in an American red state. Unlike the blue states, we're armed.


46 posted on 11/14/2004 2:01:38 PM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: TexKat
Excellent post...I have been seeing snippets from that interview for weeks yet, til now, had not seen it in whole.

...thx

47 posted on 11/14/2004 2:05:28 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: No Blue States
Time for "moderate" Moos (if such critters really exist) to go shopping for a new death-cult, because this one's going away.

Either Allah dies or civilization dies; that's becoming clearer each year. These 7th-century morons are unable to get a clue about anything beyond their own brainwashing. Either they stop their crap, or it's Crusades 2.0; I don't think they're going to stop.

48 posted on 11/14/2004 2:06:32 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: No Blue States

I highly urge you to read "The Prophet of Doom," available to read free on the net or to purchase at Amazon.com. It is very telling and examines/evaluates Islam and where 'the prophet' stole and manipulated writings from the Talmud and the Bible. Islam only wants one thing: elimination of the Jews (Israel). The U.S. and her allies are the only nations in the way. Old Europe, except for Britain, and who knows how long Tony Blair can stand against the tide, is dead. The European Union will emerge (the 10 original lead members + others) stronger as they have embraced secularlism and socialism. The signs are here, the signs are here. Thank God Bush is in office, and we will FIGHT!


49 posted on 11/14/2004 2:09:58 PM PST by nuclady
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To: No Blue States
the Nov. 2 slaying of Van Gogh, whose work included harsh commentary against traditional Islam

Yeah, shining a light on the sub-human treatment of women by the extremist element of Islam is harsh commentary according to the AP. Yeah, whatever....

50 posted on 11/14/2004 2:10:25 PM PST by Libertarian444
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