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Radical Islam Appears to Be Spreading
ap ^ | 11-14-04 | BRIAN MURPHY

Posted on 11/14/2004 12:26:17 PM PST by No Blue States

ATHENS, Greece - The same day Dutch mourners gathered outside a crematorium for a final goodbye to slain filmmaker Theo Van Gogh, police on the other side of the world made a horrific discovery in a hut: the decapitated body of a Thai laborer.

The two events - in settings as different as tidy and prosperous Holland and a tropical rubber plantation in southern Thailand - bear similarities that suggest new flash points in the global struggle against radical Islam.

A note impaled on Van Gogh's body by the alleged Muslim killer threatened further attacks against Dutch politicians in the name of Islam. The body of the 60-year-old Buddhist worker in Thailand also was found last week with a message: "More will be killed" in revenge for the deaths of 85 Muslim protesters last month in a region with a mounting Islamic insurgency.

"The fault lines are growing," said Fawaz Gerges, a professor of Middle Eastern and International Affairs at Sarah Lawrence College in Bronxville, N.Y. "It's not just between the Muslims and non-Muslims. It's also within Islam itself. It's a battle between moderate Muslims and extremist forces that threaten to hijack Islam."

The most recent hot spots zigzag around the atlas - from Liberia in West Africa to the Netherlands to Southeast Asia. They join a growing roster of places already feeling the strains of religious conflict and terrorism along the edges of the Islamic world - regions as diverse as Chechnya, Nigeria, Spain, Central Asia and the Philippines. Even China is worried about separatist sentiment in its vast and mostly Muslim western province of Xinjiang.

"The militant voices on the street are gaining credibility in more and more places," said Gerges. "That's a worrisome trend."

Part of the reason, many Islamic experts say, can be traced to global communications that forge common points of reference such as al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden's defiance or the guerrilla attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq. But even more powerful rallying cries come from firebrand imams and opinion-shapers: that Islam is under threat and it's the duty of followers to take a stand.

In Amsterdam, a moderate imam, Abdel Eillah, feared the scales were tipping in a troubling direction among Muslim immigrants in Europe who fail to adapt.

"When I hear young men praise violence in the name of Islam, I fear for my faith and I fear for the world. We must fight it before it's too late," he said after the Nov. 2 slaying of Van Gogh, whose work included harsh commentary against traditional Islam. "I didn't like what Van Gogh said, but he should not pay with blood."

Dutch police moved sharply against suspected Islamic radicals following the murder. Last Wednesday, special forces stormed a house in The Hague following a 15-hour armed standoff. The two suspects captured - among more than a dozen detained since the Van Gogh slaying - are under investigation for possible links to terrorist cells accused of plots in Morocco and elsewhere.

New laws were proposed to give Dutch authorities greater powers to hold and investigate suspected terrorists.

"Extremism is reaching the roots of our democracy," the Netherlands' prime minister, Jan Peter Balkenende, said last week in Parliament.

Or as former U.S. ambassador Richard Parker terms it: "The common language of Islamic militancy is growing louder."

"This is not something that happened overnight. It's a feeling of injustice among Muslims that goes back decades," said Parker, who served as a diplomat in Lebanon, Algeria and Morocco. "But now it's become much more legitimate to say that violence and 'holy war' is the proper way."

The Van Gogh killing and backlash has captured headlines. But the bloodshed in southern Thailand could mark a resurgence of a long-simmering Muslim insurgency and, some officials fear, fertile ground for Islamic terrorists.

Thailand's Muslim minority has complained for decades about economic and social discrimination by Buddhist authorities. Violence subsided in the 1990s after government concessions for greater funds and Muslim political representation. But the calm began to erode in recent years.

In April, more than 100 Islamic militiamen were killed in raids on security posts. On Oct. 25, at least 85 Muslims died when security forces dispersed a demonstration outside a police station. Most of the victims suffocated or were crushed after being packed into army trucks.

More than 500 people have been killed this year in three southern Thai provinces, including attacks targeting Buddhists in possible bids to drive out non-Muslims. On Friday, suspected Islamic insurgents gunned down a non-Muslim boxing instructor.

Authorities are investigating possible links between separatist groups and Islamic terrorist organizations such as Jemaah Islamiyah, which seeks a pan-Islamic state in Southeast Asia. It's blamed for attacks including the 2002 bombing in Bali that claimed 202 lives.

Hambali, accused of being Jemaah Islamiyah's operations chief and bin Laden's alleged point man in Asia, was arrested in Thailand last year and it's unclear how much the group has rebounded.

Thitinan Pongsudhirak, an assistant professor of international relations at Bangkok's Chulalongkorn University, believes the strong retaliation from authorities "can only galvanize the Muslim insurgency in the south."

"We have not yet seen escalation," he said. "But I still think we may be headed from bad to worse."

He speculated that the attacks could move out of the south to hit Thailand's vital tourism industry.

"The gruesome fashion of these (beheadings) by presumably Muslim assailants ... is not normal violence," said Pongsudhirak. "It is driven by deep animosity and hatred."

In West Africa, a rare outbreak of Christian-Muslim violence in Liberia last month stunned authorities and drew comparisons to nearby Nigeria, where more than 10,000 have been killed in sectarian clashes since 1999.

At least 16 people were killed and more than 200 others injured in Liberia's capital, Monrovia, where five churches and two mosques were set ablaze. U.N. troops stepped in to restore order.

"We are seeing more tears in the fabric between Muslims and non-Muslims," said Mohammad Khalil, who researches Islam and modern society at the Middle East Institute in Washington. "In too many minds, violence has replaced dialogue; calls for separation have replaced efforts at coexistence. These are not good signs."


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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
"First destroy radical Islam..... then crush the rest! It's time for moderate Muslims to rise up and defend their religion with peace at last. If they don't.........well Bush said it best. Your either with us or you're with the terrorists!!"

Amen. Let's roll!

Luigi

21 posted on 11/14/2004 1:02:21 PM PST by LuigiBasco (It's LONG past time to restart The Crusades. (What are we waiting for!))
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
religion with peace

The only peace in Islam (for non muslims) is dhimmitude and hudna.

22 posted on 11/14/2004 1:04:33 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: weegee
I hope this doesnt sound dumb..or simplistic.
What do you think the solution is to this problem?
23 posted on 11/14/2004 1:05:25 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States

Steve walks warily down the street,
With the brim pulled way down low
Ain’t no sound but the sound of his feet,
Machine guns ready to go
Are you ready, are you ready for this
Are you hanging on the edge of your seat
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I’m gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

How do you think I’m going to get along,
Without you, when you’re gone
You took me for everything that I had,
And kicked me out on my own

Are you happy, are you satisfied
How long can you stand the heat
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat

Chorus

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
There are plenty of ways you can hurt a man
And bring him to the ground
You can beat him
You can cheat him
You can treat him bad and leave him
When he’s down
But I’m ready, yes I’m ready for you
I’m standing on my own two feet
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
Repeating the sound of the beat


24 posted on 11/14/2004 1:09:48 PM PST by deathb4dishoner
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To: No Blue States
Weegie...not to speak for you but have have already given the answer...

...wake up to the fallacy that is Islam and return to the Judeo-Christian Bible (whether they choose to accept Christ as divine or man).

If, as many fear, Islam is demonic, there will be no reformation and Islam will not cease until non-muslims are converted or killed.

25 posted on 11/14/2004 1:09:50 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: No Blue States
I guess that whole Ayatollah-hostage thing back in '79 wasn`t just an isolated incident. Thanks Brian Murphy for clearing this up for me.
26 posted on 11/14/2004 1:14:30 PM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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To: weegee
Reformation can only come from within the muslim religion but too many muslims still see no need to speak out.

I don't think it's possible, and 1400 years of Muslim history and theology will bear me out. The entire religion is completely corrupted by it's own scriptures.

The only answer to this death cult is "Jesus", a name which they sort of acknowledge but actually deign to scorn. Only a radical change of their individual hearts by the Holy Spririt is going to do it. That is not possible under their religion and it never was. But with God, all things are possible and for these poor souls, the Gospel of Jesus is their only hope.

27 posted on 11/14/2004 1:19:02 PM PST by Gritty ("Islam has bloody borders" - Samuel P. Huntington)
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To: weenie
The chances of evangelizing them seems less than slim. So then that leaves as the only option to continue killing the militants where they arise? As their number grow so must ours, or is our military edge so great that we can defeat this cancer with the few (but comparative small in strength) allies we do have?

Im trying to figure out the end game.

28 posted on 11/14/2004 1:23:45 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States; weegee

There is a group called Apostates of Islam who want to eradicate it through education.

From their website:

"...Today the humanity is facing a great danger. Islamic fundamentalism is on the rise and the hatred is brewing in the minds of millions of Muslims. This hatred must be contained or there would be disastrous consequences. We believe that the education is the only answer. Muslim intellectuals must realize that Islam is a false doctrine and they must let the rest of Islamic world know the truth. Islam is a religion that thrives on the arrogant assumption that it is the most logical, the most scientific and the most perfect religion. While the fact is that it is the stupidest doctrine — the most backward and absurd belief. Once the truth about Islam becomes common knowledge, it will be weakened and the Islamic fanaticism will lose its fangs. Hundreds of billions of dollars are being expended to combat Islamic terrorism, yet no effort is made to contain the ideology behind this terrorism. It is our belief that Islamic terrorism will not be eliminated unless and until the ideology behind it is exposed and eradicated. This is what we intend to do."

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/main.htm


29 posted on 11/14/2004 1:25:32 PM PST by OK
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To: No Blue States

Just kill everyone who claims to be an Islamists. Then kill those that lied.


30 posted on 11/14/2004 1:30:01 PM PST by blam
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To: OK
Good for them, I hope they have bodyguards. Thanks for the link, its bookmarked for further study.

Thanks everyone for the replies. I have 2 daughters whose future concerns me, considering the spread of radical islam in their lifetimes.

31 posted on 11/14/2004 1:30:22 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: OK
"Islam" is a political/legal theory grafted onto pre-existing religions.

The followers would be best to wake up to Mohammed's rhetoric and find another religion.

Good that someone is helping them to make that transition.

32 posted on 11/14/2004 1:30:29 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: blam

lmao!


33 posted on 11/14/2004 1:30:38 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States
"China used to be my main concern, now it is the spread of this disease called Radical Islam. "

There isn't a moderate Islam. Kill'em all.

34 posted on 11/14/2004 1:31:37 PM PST by blam
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To: No Blue States

Education. Toss Islam on the trash heap of bad ideas and convince moderate muslims to return to the original Biblical text rather than Mohammed's rewrite.


35 posted on 11/14/2004 1:36:52 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: blam

The silence of the moderates are deafening no doubt.
Even if some were they would probably be killed by their own radicals.


36 posted on 11/14/2004 1:36:56 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: Gritty; No Blue States
Radical Islam is redundant.

Quran
AL-FATH (VICTORY, CONQUEST) 048.029

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel - like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot and strengtheneth it and riseth firm upon its stalk, delighting the sowers - that He may enrage the disbelievers with (the sight of) them. Allah hath promised, unto such of them as believe and do good works, forgiveness and immense reward.

How about that, you get marked in your forehead by bowing to Mecca.

37 posted on 11/14/2004 1:37:13 PM PST by Jeremiah Jr (Here comes Chanukah...)
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To: weegee

BTTT


38 posted on 11/14/2004 1:41:12 PM PST by Gritty ("Islam has bloody borders" - Samuel P. Huntington)
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To: No Blue States; MEG33; ChadGore
No comment, Just fyi. Interested in reading the thoughts of others on subject.A search on "Radical Islam" did not show this article.

Watch the following clip entitled The World without America and let me know what you think.

#350 - "The World without America" - The Music Video

Also this entire site is an eyeopener to what is being taught and preached by our enemies.

39 posted on 11/14/2004 1:42:43 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: No Blue States
"From your link:"

This is also from the link I sent you:
Most imams in the thousands of mosques in European countries can preach anti-U.S. and anti-Saudi-royal-family sermons with impunity.

It's like promoting KILLER'S and should be CURTAILED ASAP!

40 posted on 11/14/2004 1:44:11 PM PST by Gucho
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