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Radical Islam Appears to Be Spreading
ap ^ | 11-14-04 | BRIAN MURPHY

Posted on 11/14/2004 12:26:17 PM PST by No Blue States

ATHENS, Greece - The same day Dutch mourners gathered outside a crematorium for a final goodbye to slain filmmaker Theo Van Gogh, police on the other side of the world made a horrific discovery in a hut: the decapitated body of a Thai laborer.

The two events - in settings as different as tidy and prosperous Holland and a tropical rubber plantation in southern Thailand - bear similarities that suggest new flash points in the global struggle against radical Islam.

A note impaled on Van Gogh's body by the alleged Muslim killer threatened further attacks against Dutch politicians in the name of Islam. The body of the 60-year-old Buddhist worker in Thailand also was found last week with a message: "More will be killed" in revenge for the deaths of 85 Muslim protesters last month in a region with a mounting Islamic insurgency.

"The fault lines are growing," said Fawaz Gerges, a professor of Middle Eastern and International Affairs at Sarah Lawrence College in Bronxville, N.Y. "It's not just between the Muslims and non-Muslims. It's also within Islam itself. It's a battle between moderate Muslims and extremist forces that threaten to hijack Islam."

The most recent hot spots zigzag around the atlas - from Liberia in West Africa to the Netherlands to Southeast Asia. They join a growing roster of places already feeling the strains of religious conflict and terrorism along the edges of the Islamic world - regions as diverse as Chechnya, Nigeria, Spain, Central Asia and the Philippines. Even China is worried about separatist sentiment in its vast and mostly Muslim western province of Xinjiang.

"The militant voices on the street are gaining credibility in more and more places," said Gerges. "That's a worrisome trend."

Part of the reason, many Islamic experts say, can be traced to global communications that forge common points of reference such as al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden's defiance or the guerrilla attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq. But even more powerful rallying cries come from firebrand imams and opinion-shapers: that Islam is under threat and it's the duty of followers to take a stand.

In Amsterdam, a moderate imam, Abdel Eillah, feared the scales were tipping in a troubling direction among Muslim immigrants in Europe who fail to adapt.

"When I hear young men praise violence in the name of Islam, I fear for my faith and I fear for the world. We must fight it before it's too late," he said after the Nov. 2 slaying of Van Gogh, whose work included harsh commentary against traditional Islam. "I didn't like what Van Gogh said, but he should not pay with blood."

Dutch police moved sharply against suspected Islamic radicals following the murder. Last Wednesday, special forces stormed a house in The Hague following a 15-hour armed standoff. The two suspects captured - among more than a dozen detained since the Van Gogh slaying - are under investigation for possible links to terrorist cells accused of plots in Morocco and elsewhere.

New laws were proposed to give Dutch authorities greater powers to hold and investigate suspected terrorists.

"Extremism is reaching the roots of our democracy," the Netherlands' prime minister, Jan Peter Balkenende, said last week in Parliament.

Or as former U.S. ambassador Richard Parker terms it: "The common language of Islamic militancy is growing louder."

"This is not something that happened overnight. It's a feeling of injustice among Muslims that goes back decades," said Parker, who served as a diplomat in Lebanon, Algeria and Morocco. "But now it's become much more legitimate to say that violence and 'holy war' is the proper way."

The Van Gogh killing and backlash has captured headlines. But the bloodshed in southern Thailand could mark a resurgence of a long-simmering Muslim insurgency and, some officials fear, fertile ground for Islamic terrorists.

Thailand's Muslim minority has complained for decades about economic and social discrimination by Buddhist authorities. Violence subsided in the 1990s after government concessions for greater funds and Muslim political representation. But the calm began to erode in recent years.

In April, more than 100 Islamic militiamen were killed in raids on security posts. On Oct. 25, at least 85 Muslims died when security forces dispersed a demonstration outside a police station. Most of the victims suffocated or were crushed after being packed into army trucks.

More than 500 people have been killed this year in three southern Thai provinces, including attacks targeting Buddhists in possible bids to drive out non-Muslims. On Friday, suspected Islamic insurgents gunned down a non-Muslim boxing instructor.

Authorities are investigating possible links between separatist groups and Islamic terrorist organizations such as Jemaah Islamiyah, which seeks a pan-Islamic state in Southeast Asia. It's blamed for attacks including the 2002 bombing in Bali that claimed 202 lives.

Hambali, accused of being Jemaah Islamiyah's operations chief and bin Laden's alleged point man in Asia, was arrested in Thailand last year and it's unclear how much the group has rebounded.

Thitinan Pongsudhirak, an assistant professor of international relations at Bangkok's Chulalongkorn University, believes the strong retaliation from authorities "can only galvanize the Muslim insurgency in the south."

"We have not yet seen escalation," he said. "But I still think we may be headed from bad to worse."

He speculated that the attacks could move out of the south to hit Thailand's vital tourism industry.

"The gruesome fashion of these (beheadings) by presumably Muslim assailants ... is not normal violence," said Pongsudhirak. "It is driven by deep animosity and hatred."

In West Africa, a rare outbreak of Christian-Muslim violence in Liberia last month stunned authorities and drew comparisons to nearby Nigeria, where more than 10,000 have been killed in sectarian clashes since 1999.

At least 16 people were killed and more than 200 others injured in Liberia's capital, Monrovia, where five churches and two mosques were set ablaze. U.N. troops stepped in to restore order.

"We are seeing more tears in the fabric between Muslims and non-Muslims," said Mohammad Khalil, who researches Islam and modern society at the Middle East Institute in Washington. "In too many minds, violence has replaced dialogue; calls for separation have replaced efforts at coexistence. These are not good signs."


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No comment, Just fyi. Interested in reading the thoughts of others on subject.A search on "Radical Islam" did not show this article.
1 posted on 11/14/2004 12:26:17 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States

Perhaps we are just hearing more about it. Prior to 9-11, muslim vs nonmuslim butcheries in offshore locations were not front page news.


2 posted on 11/14/2004 12:28:04 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: silverleaf
Yes, I guess we woke up on Sept 11th and realized what Israel and the rest of the World has been aware of for some time.
3 posted on 11/14/2004 12:31:02 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States

The title should read: "Rest of the World Wakes Up - Welcome to the Party Pal"


4 posted on 11/14/2004 12:31:03 PM PST by RtWngr (Being tolerant of the intolerant is pretty stupid actually.)
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To: RtWngr

Radical Islam appears to have trouble spreading in Fallujah lately at least.


5 posted on 11/14/2004 12:32:52 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States
"The fault lines are growing," said Fawaz Gerges, a professor of Middle Eastern and International Affairs at Sarah Lawrence College in Bronxville, N.Y. "It's not just between the Muslims and non-Muslims. It's also within Islam itself. It's a battle between moderate Muslims and extremist forces that threaten to hijack Islam."

Three years ago moderate Muslims said that they did not have to denounce the 9/11 attacks because they had no ties to radical Islam.... that radical Islam was not true Islam and thus the attackers were not really muslims.

Meanwhile the radical clerics and mosques have continued to recruit and murder in the name of Mohammed.

Islam was already hijacked (or its true nature revealed). Reformation can only come from within the muslim religion but too many muslims still see no need to speak out.

6 posted on 11/14/2004 12:33:26 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: No Blue States
Radical Islam Appears to Be Spreading

And must be stopped. By whatever means necessary.

Now.

7 posted on 11/14/2004 12:33:27 PM PST by NewLand (God Bless America and God Bless President Bush!)
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To: No Blue States

There are a million in Brazil, 300,000 in Argentina, and a full 25% of the population of Suriname.


8 posted on 11/14/2004 12:33:32 PM PST by Porterville (IT'S GOOD TO BE REPUBLICAN- ASK ME HOW)
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To: No Blue States
Radical Islam; it's all right there in the "holy" Koran.

Moderate Islam is an apostacy, according to the "holy" Koran.

Islam will have no reformation. When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, murder, misogyny and terror come hot on its heels to the detriment of all.
9 posted on 11/14/2004 12:36:20 PM PST by broadsword (Weren't there a couple of giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? What happened to them?)
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To: Porterville
Not including all of the colonial-era British transplants in places like Guyana, Trinidad, etc., etc.
10 posted on 11/14/2004 12:36:21 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("They don't want some high brow hussy from NYC characterizing them as idiots..." (Zell Miller)
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To: weegee
Meanwhile The Mosques and clerics continue to preach terrorism. Good to see we have arrested a few clerics and bombed a few mosques disguised at forts.

I wonder where this all ends though. China used to be my main concern, now it is the spread of this disease called Radical Islam. And Ive yet to see much of the moderate variety.

11 posted on 11/14/2004 12:37:35 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States

Because they don't have a strong Constitution like the USA perhaps the Dutch should simply outlaw the religion of ISLAM and focably expatriate all foriegn born adherents.


12 posted on 11/14/2004 12:38:15 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: weegee
"Reformation can only come from within the muslim religion..."

Dream on...

"...radical clerics and mosques have continued to recruit and murder in the name of Mohammed."

Mohammed sanctioned muder.

13 posted on 11/14/2004 12:38:22 PM PST by NewLand (God Bless America and God Bless President Bush!)
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To: No Blue States

Radical Islam Rising
One percent of one billion is a lot:
http://www.amconmag.com/01_13_03/borchgrave7.html


14 posted on 11/14/2004 12:39:25 PM PST by Gucho
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To: No Blue States
"In too many minds, violence has replaced dialogue; calls for separation have replaced efforts at coexistence. These are not good signs."

By "in too many minds" they mean that they now realize that we are going to fight back and they think it is a mistake. Maybe they think we should be more sensitive, sit down with the terrorist and share our feelings.
15 posted on 11/14/2004 12:41:42 PM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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To: weegee
Reformation can only come from within the muslim religion but too many muslims still see no need to speak out.

The problem is that Islam is incapable of reforming. Criticism of Islam is considered blasphemy.

At its root, Islam is violent and, as the Imams spread a return to its roots, there is nothing to return to but violence and hatred.

Tolerant muslims are the ones deviating from the Quran...not the fundamentalists.

16 posted on 11/14/2004 12:48:41 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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To: Gucho
From your link:

One percent of 1.2 billion is 12 million Muslim fanatics who believe America is the Great Satan, fount of all evil, to be attacked and demolished. Whether al-Qaeda is centralized as it was before 9/11 or decentralized, as it appears to be after Bali and Mombassa, is immaterial. Islam is the world’s fastest growing religion. From Sweden (660,000 Muslims out of 5.8 million people) to Switzerland (also 10 percent), Senegal and Somalia in Africa, Sumatra and Singapore in Asia, and South America (especially Brazil and Venezuela), there are Wahhabi and Deobandi mosques. And that’s just the countries beginning with the letter S.

Muslims are a majority in 63 countries. Of the 30 conflicts now under way in the world, 28 concern Muslim governments or communities. Amir Taheri, an Iranian author and journalist, says two-thirds of the world’s political prisoners are held in Muslim countries, which also carry out 80 percent of all executions each year.

Is Islam, as President Bush keeps repeating, “a faith based upon peace and love and compassion” committed to “morality and learning and tolerance”? Yes and no. Radical Islam is committed to jihad against the United States and Israel, or a war of civilizations between the Judeo-Christian West and the impoverished Muslim world. The Wahhabis and Deobandis hate all things American, and are intolerant vis-à-vis all religions outside their own warped view of Islam. Moderate Islam is yet to find a voice that will roll back the extremists, a sort of Islamic Martin Luther, or at least a Martin Luther King.

17 posted on 11/14/2004 12:50:12 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: broadsword
You are right and you are wrong.

Islam is an antiChristian religion, when I say this, I do not know if Mohammed was THE antiChrist but he was AN antiChrist figure. He rewrote the Judeo-Christian Bible to suit his agenda for power. He denounced the divinity of Christ and the resurrection; these 2 acts make him an antiChrist. He speaks in the name of religion, acknowledging Jesus Christ, and then leads the flock astray (billions have served him).

Islam has several "truths" that prohibit reformation/tampering with Mohammed's text.

Mohammed called himself "the last prophet". Jews await the first coming of God incarnate, Christians the second and when He comes again we should be on the same page as to who He is. Muslims have their teacher who has forbidden them to look for any other.

The one sure sign that Imam agree permits muslims to engage in a physical holy war (jihad) against the Judeo-Christians (people "of the book"), moderate muslims, and everybody else (infidel) is when a nation attempts to "suppress" Islam. Even a reformation movement as to suppressing certain aspects of Islam can be a trigger for radical muslims to go to war.

Islam itself cannot be reformed. I do not say that we can outlaw it (we have no prohibition on people believing in astrology either) but we can defang it and not permit the church sponsored violence (taking the radical clerics/mosques down as the terrorist cells they are). We can pressure Islamic nations to not discriminate against people of other faiths; no distinctions in the law between muslims, Judeo-Christians, and "everybody else"; no death sentences for muslims who convert away from Islam or people openly practicing other faiths.

The KKK is permitted to exist in America but it cannot advocate violence. It is your God given right to be stupid and reject His teachings. Come to Him through free will.

The other side of reformation can come from muslims who wake up to the fallacy that is Islam and return to the Judeo-Christian Bible (whether they choose to accept Christ as divine or man).

18 posted on 11/14/2004 12:52:18 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: No Blue States
First destroy radical Islam.....

then crush the rest!

It's time for moderate Muslims to rise up and defend their religion with peace at last.

If they don't.........well Bush said it best.

Your either with us or you're with the terrorists!!

19 posted on 11/14/2004 12:53:15 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (NO SPECTER)
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To: weegee
but we can defang it.

A hopeful comment. We might be able to defang it publically (driving the violent adherents underground) but even if that were successful it could only be done in non-muslim countries.

And how can hostile Islam be defanged with regard to its eternal threat of the destruction of Israel?

20 posted on 11/14/2004 1:01:36 PM PST by weenie (Islam is as "dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog." -- Churchill)
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