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A look at Kinsey
townhall.com ^ | 11/15/04 | John Leo

Posted on 11/14/2004 11:16:15 PM PST by kattracks

The unending 50-year war over Alfred Kinsey and his sex research is about to flare up once again, thanks to the new movie Kinsey. The film manages to be fairly faithful to the biographies of Kinsey while sliding by or simply omitting a lot of negative material that might interfere with a heroic view of the man.

Kinsey was a highly intelligent, fearless man and an unusually skilled interviewer whose question-and-answer techniques heavily influenced the way polls and surveys are done today. Conservatives seem quaint when they argue that Kinsey’s two reports, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953), should never have been done. Someone was going to do a big sexual survey pointing out the gap between what sex really was in America and what the culture thought it should be. Kinsey got there first, and he deserves credit for it. But he was a very odd, creepy fellow whose findings and methods (often slapdash and chaotic, if not intentionally deceptive) are not really separable from the enormous moral impact he had on the culture.

A biographical note here: Years ago, I covered the world of sex research as part of my social-science beat at Time magazine. I quickly figured out that a lot of people in this world seemed to have entered it because of their unusual sexual tastes, opinions, or problems. I think this was certainly true earlier of Kinsey as well. He was an exhibitionist, a voyeur, and a masochist. (This is handled in the movie by Kinsey’s wife’s discovering he has sliced his foreskin. But Kinsey did more grotesque things to his genitals than you want to read about here.) One biographer, James H. Jones, argues that Kinsey was gay from the beginning and riven with guilt about it, but he married and thought of himself as bisexual. The obvious question here is this: What are the odds that a researcher with this set of orientations and attitudes would be drawn to the conclusion that all sexual behavior is equal and that orgasms (and nothing else) count, certainly not how you achieve them or with whom? I would say the odds are very, very good.

The movie stresses how relentlessly nonjudgmental Kinsey was. But as the late evolutionary biologist Stephen Jay Gould once wrote, Kinsey’s absence of judgment was itself a form of judgment. Kinsey wrote: “What is right for one individual may be wrong for the next; and what is sin and abomination to one may be a worthwhile part of the next individual’s life.” That certainly defined Kinsey’s own sexual demons out of existence, but it left the field of sexology with a taboo-breaking, anything-goes legacy. It also left one huge open area that has stained sexology ever since: adult-child sex.

Outraged critics of Kinsey often focus on Table 34 of the male book. It lists the sexual responses of children acquired from one of Kinsey’s sources, a pedophile who kept detailed records of his child rapes, including those of a baby of 5 months and a 4-year-old he sexually manipulated for 24 hours. As a nonjudgmental person, Kinsey of course did not bother turning the pedophile over to the law. His critics accuse Kinsey of “Mengele medicine,” meaning that he presided over Nazi-like experiments. Not so. We have no evidence that Kinsey and his team conducted or approved of any child rapes. He just used the records of pedophiles, coldly described in the first Kinsey report as males who “with their adult backgrounds are able to recognize and interpret the boys’ experiences.” Table 34 was a moral horror, and neither Kinsey nor his patron, the Rockefeller Foundation, seemed to think that anything was amiss.

Table 34 set the stage for what has become dogma in the sex world: All humans are sexual from birth, and since children are sexual, they should be expected to behave sexually. Does this mean that children should be able to have sex with adults? Kinsey didn’t say, but he wrote that the psychic damage to children who have sex with adults comes from the horrified reaction of adults, not from the sex itself. That opinion, a very large bone tossed to advocates of adult-child sex, has become a mantra in the sex world. Some who promote the mantra are sincere—a show of horror by parents of an abused child may indeed make matters worse. But many are advocates of adult-child sex hiding behind a pro-child argument. In my Time days, the air was so thick with sex-world arguments in favor of incest and adult-child sex that I threw a lot of them together in a one-page report. The list included a defense of incest by Wardell Pomeroy, a coauthor of the Kinsey reports. Now that people are once again chattering about Kinsey’s legacy, I hope across-the-board nonjudgmentalism and adult-child sex come up for discussion.



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1 posted on 11/14/2004 11:16:15 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Kinsey didn’t say, but he wrote that the psychic damage to children who have sex with adults comes from the horrified reaction of adults, not from the sex itself.

I am SO going to puke.

Take a long look at this, folks. This will be the banner by which pedophiles will seek to legitimize their "alternate lifestyle" 30 years from now. And those of us who reject it will be labelled as "hateful pedophobes."

2 posted on 11/14/2004 11:32:40 PM PST by Prime Choice (STFU ACLU.)
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To: kattracks
His critics accuse Kinsey of “Mengele medicine,” meaning that he presided over Nazi-like experiments. Not so. We have no evidence that Kinsey and his team conducted or approved of any child rapes. He just used the records of pedophiles, coldly described in the first Kinsey report as males who “with their adult backgrounds are able to recognize and interpret the boys’ experiences.” Table 34 was a moral horror, and neither Kinsey nor his patron, the Rockefeller Foundation, seemed to think that anything was amiss.

There is an extensive porn collection in the Kinsey archives at Indiana University. As I understand it, Indiana residents are permitted access (although most may not know this) since they as taxpayers subsidize the storage. I suspect that there are a number of illegal items in the collection.

3 posted on 11/14/2004 11:33:53 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: kattracks

disgusting.............barf


4 posted on 11/14/2004 11:37:50 PM PST by joyce11111
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To: kattracks
Kinsey is not the end all/be all of those advocating hedonism and child sex. It is called the Sex Positive Agenda and the Homosexual Agenda is only but a small and vocal subgroup (that is used to batter down society's laws and morals).

Here are links to institutional advocacies that stand defiant in the face of the notion of abstinence:

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Check the links/text here (preserved for posterity):

www.allaboutsex.org

...but this is not the case with All About Sex. On the contrary, the success and popularity of this site since 1997 has been nothing short of phenomenal and we appreciate all the positive sentiment - it should be clear to any sex educator or parent familiar with this site that kids want and need open, honest and non-judgmental answers to their sex and sexuality-related questions, and that if such a forum is provided to them, they will flourish with it and ask questions they wouldn't be comfortable asking anywhere else.   Rather than the days when talking about sex was only done in whispers and biology class, today's kids have so many more options for exploring the subject of sex, and, frankly, their own sexual interests. When AAS started, there was only one other site that had anything positive to say to kids about sex, but now there are many, many sites with excellent, open and honest information about sex.

However, being so successful has a negative side as well, and keeping up with the popularity of the site and the work involved in maintaining the site and providing regular, fresh content, has become more than we can handle along with our obligations to our own families and employers.   Expense has been another factor, although our host, Advances.com, has always worked with us to bring bandwidth expenses down, and this site has never been a profit-making site, and has never even taken donations.   So, for a combinations of reasons, we are closing the site and hope everyone will understand.   It has been a fantastic 7 years and we have been touched by so many of the fantastic regulars and kids who have poured out their hearts and souls talking about their sexual dilemmas, their happy and exciting first experiences, and their traumas and disappointments.   Judging by the comments we frequently get, it seems that we've touched a few people's lives and been a positive force in general, and for that we are thankful.  

Below are links to many other excellent resources for parents and for teens.

Very Sincerely, The owners and volunteers of All About Sex.org

RESOURCES FOR TEENS AND PARENTS :

Advocates For Youth - Calls for politicians to "Respect Young People's Right To Be Responsible".   Excellent site that has a section focusing on responsible sexual rights of adolescents, with excellent reading material about sex education elsewhere in the world and how it compares to the U.S.

gURL.com - A truly fantastic website created for girls that has an extensive area on sex and sexuality.   They give honest, factual answers to girl's questions without pushing any ideology.   They also have an excellent set of books for adolescent girls called the "Deal With It" series.

PFLAG Talk - Parents & Friends of Lesbian And Gay Youth - One of the most well-known and solid organizations available to gay, lesbian and bisexual youth - http://www.critpath.org/pflag-talk/

Being Girl.com - A really cool website created by the Tampax Corporation that talks about many sex-related issues (and has a sex-positive attitude), with a focus, of course, on the female body.

SexPedia - From the Discovery Channel's website, in the section focusing on sexual health, comes a 'encyclopedia' of sorts of sexual facts, from A to Z

The Coalition For Positive Sexuality ~ This site was the ONLY other site when we started that promoted a POSITIVE approach to adolescents and sex, and they helped make the AAS website so popular by being the first site to link to us!   They have excellent instructions on condoms and other safe sex practices.

Go Ask Alice! - Now one of the most established and well-known resources available to people of all ages dealing with health, in general, and more specifically, sexuality and sexual health.   It is run by Columbia University in New York and is very well done.

Like It Is! - The Brits Do Exactly That...   They Truly Tell It Like It Really Is!   No Political Agenda,   No Religious Dogma,   Just Honest And Open Conversation About Teen Sexuality, Discussed The Way It SHOULD Be In America (but isn't)

The Joys Of Teen Sex - Obviously, This Website Is Not In America...   But It Is No Parody...   It Is A Non-Politicized View On Teen Sex In The U.K., Where Adolescent Sexuality Is Considered...   NORMAL   (gasp!)

Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Condoms!! - A Fantastic Resource From The People At CONDOMANIA!

SIECUS - The Sexuality Information Education Council of the United States - A resource geared toward sex educators and parents.

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SOME ADDITIONAL FACTORS...

To be perfectly honest, there are other factors in our decision to shut down, and although those factors are a little embarrassing to admit, they are important enough that others need to know about them.   Speaking now just for myself as the creator of this site and primary owner, I have had other things to consider in keeping AAS open the last year or so including the fact that I now have a wife to consider and a family of my own to start, and negative opinions about this site (even though we rarely hear any) no longer affect me alone.   Also, sadly, the political climate in America has changed so dramatically since the Bush Administration and the Tom Delay Congress came to power that people no longer feel that they can speak out freely on controversial issues - especially if one is daring to disagree with the current political forces.

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Only a few weeks after No New Money went live last August, 24 House Republicans, led by Joseph Pitts, R-Pa., jotted off a letter to HHS Secretary Thompson asking that both SIECUS and Advocates for Youth (which was listed on the site along with more than a hundred other 'supporting organizations') be investigated."

And that is just one small example of what the political climate has become...   SIECUS is now under further vicious attack by Republicans in Congress and a score of Religious Right groups.   Keep in mind that SIECUS has been writing the sex education curricula for public and private schools in America since 1964 and is hardly a "controversial" group.   To get a better idea of exactly what is going on, you can read the complete last article posted on the AAS site in December 2003.   You can also visit the SIECUS website for the latest news.

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Despite all of the talk about condoms in schools promoting an end to STDs and pregnancies, I believe that they are merely there to advance the argument for underage sex. Kids are still getting pregnant only now we are of the opinion that "it's going to happen anyway". If you dig deeper into their writings you will find that they believe abstinence to be wrong (not that it doesn't work). They believe that it is unhealthy to supress any sexual desires.

5 posted on 11/14/2004 11:48:34 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Prime Choice
he wrote that the psychic damage to children who have sex with adults comes from the horrified reaction of adults, not from the sex itself.

A few years ago the American Physchological Association put out a similar report which they retracted very quickly after a public outcry.

6 posted on 11/14/2004 11:48:45 PM PST by GeronL (http://images7.fotki.com/v125/photos/2/215708/780411/reow-vi.jpg?1100155138)
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To: Prime Choice

His studies included the 'orgasms' of infants... now how do you think they managed to make an infant 'orgasmic' if they didn't 'do something' to them?


7 posted on 11/14/2004 11:50:13 PM PST by GeronL (http://images7.fotki.com/v125/photos/2/215708/780411/reow-vi.jpg?1100155138)
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To: GeronL
A few years ago the American Physchological Association put out a similar report which they retracted very quickly after a public outcry.

Probably won't be but another decade before the APA removes pedophilia from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. That was the first step they took to legitimize homosexuality.

8 posted on 11/14/2004 11:51:10 PM PST by Prime Choice (STFU ACLU.)
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To: GeronL

"He" didn't do it. He relied on child molestors to report back to them what they observed AND didn't turn them in to the police.


9 posted on 11/14/2004 11:51:43 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee

I said 'his studies' ... I left that a bit in the gray area.


10 posted on 11/14/2004 11:57:18 PM PST by GeronL (http://images7.fotki.com/v125/photos/2/215708/780411/reow-vi.jpg?1100155138)
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To: Prime Choice

Its a good thing the APA has very little real influence


11 posted on 11/14/2004 11:57:44 PM PST by GeronL (http://images7.fotki.com/v125/photos/2/215708/780411/reow-vi.jpg?1100155138)
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To: GeronL
Its a good thing the APA has very little real influence

Among Liberals, the APA's pronouncements are treated like gospel. They become talking points for all manner of abominations. Where do you think this Cult of Victimology sprang from? That's right...the APA.

And it wasn't until the Leftists took over the APA and banished homosexuality from the DSM-II that the homosexual agenda began to blossom in the United States.

12 posted on 11/15/2004 12:00:07 AM PST by Prime Choice (STFU ACLU.)
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To: Prime Choice
Among Liberals, the APA's pronouncements are treated like gospel

But liberals react that way when 3 people get together and form an organization. They form dozens of 'organizations' that are merely a few people that send out press releases. I found one address in St. Louis (I think) where about 17 'organizations' of the left shared an address and phone number.

All of their (or his/her) press releases are probably treated like gospel by the left too. Its because liberals are followers, they are sheep, they are 'easy to command'.

Liberals have some kind of mental disorder I am nearly convinced. Some day, if I become wealthy (**insert laugh**) or get a federal grant -haha- I will study it and possibly find a cure for liberalism. =o)

13 posted on 11/15/2004 12:04:29 AM PST by GeronL (http://images7.fotki.com/v125/photos/2/215708/780411/reow-vi.jpg?1100155138)
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To: kattracks

I'm going to stop reading any articles about two people--Kinsey and Arafat. Everytime I read something, I feel like I need to boil my eyeballs.


14 posted on 11/15/2004 12:13:07 AM PST by beaversmom (The greatness of a man is measured by the fatness of his wife)
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To: kattracks

Alfred Kinsey - one of the pillars of junk science. Now a hagiography from the degenerates of Hollywood. Wow, what a surprise!


15 posted on 11/15/2004 12:21:11 AM PST by Bogolyubski
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To: kattracks; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; ...

Warning, the pedophile movement wanted this film, they got it. It is up to us to work AGAINST their agenda.


16 posted on 11/15/2004 12:43:31 AM PST by narses (Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family + Vivo Christo Rey!)
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To: kattracks; Bogolyubski
The screenwriter, Bill Condon, is gay. Condon had to leave out a lot of Kinsey's disgusting personal sexual behaviors (tying up ones genitals and hanging by them; self asphyxiation, etc., etc.) because the biggest lie in the Kinsey report was that ten percent of the population is gay.

This was totally untrue. Kinsey slanted his statistics because he utilized a lot of prisoners who had a lot of gay sex. But Condon had to lie in his film so as to protect his "gay messiah". Buncha hogwash, albeit dangerous hogwash.
17 posted on 11/15/2004 12:53:02 AM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Prime Choice

Kinsey didn’t say, but he wrote that the psychic damage to children who have sex with adults comes from the horrified reaction of adults, not from the sex itself.
Take a long look at this, folks. This will be the banner by which pedophiles will seek to legitimize their "alternate lifestyle" 30 years from now. And those of us who reject it will be labelled as "hateful pedophobes."

We have Dr. Laura Schlessinger to thank for alerting the public of this very conclusion being published (in what is known as the Rind Study) in an American Psychological Association journal back in 1999.

18 posted on 11/15/2004 1:26:38 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Despite all your rage, you are still Democrats in a cage!)
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To: kattracks

This marks the first time I have ever been at odds with John Leo, one of my favorite commentators. While he doesn't embrace Kinsey by any means, he softpedals Table 34, distancing Kinsey from "research" by child rapists. I don't buy for one second that Kinsey didn't direct or preside over those "experiments" any less than he did others.


19 posted on 11/15/2004 1:30:26 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Despite all your rage, you are still Democrats in a cage!)
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To: Prime Choice
"Now that people are once again chattering about Kinsey’s legacy, I hope across-the-board nonjudgmentalism and adult-child sex come up for discussion."

Guess this author has a few demons himself.
20 posted on 11/15/2004 1:36:00 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Prime Choice
"the psychic damage to children who have sex with adults comes from the horrified reaction of adults, not from the sex itself."

"I am SO going to puke."

I understand your reaction, it is also important to understand why Kinsey's language can be used as legitimizing the results. As putrid as it sounds, this is more an issue of advocacy and reception.
For example, it is true that children look to adults particularly when they are small for the appropriate reaction to pain. Think of small children who fall down, and immediately look up at the adult. Their reaction is halted, and does not reach fruition until the adult reacts. In that sense if you smile and say "great fall!", they will not cry....where as if you over react and look horrified, they will howl.
It is this rational, that is being used to prove that if an abused child were to receive positive accolades from an adult, the behavior would not necessarily immediately be received as a negative.
What needs to be repeated and reenforced is that it is the adults responsibility to protect children from both dangerous physical injury and dangerous psychological injury....and not misuse the excuse of moral equivalency in the reaction to the injury.

21 posted on 11/15/2004 5:16:47 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: scripter; little jeremiah; lentulusgracchus; ArGee; Bryan; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP

Ping


22 posted on 11/15/2004 5:20:12 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: kattracks

Molesting children....trauma based mind control....

all in the unholy name of "Science"

The Nazis in the death camps were not the only ones who could come up with such lofty words and describe their evil as nobel ideals

The sexual immorality of the 60s brought us the arbortion hollocaust of the 70's to our present days...

Hollywood reveals it's intent upon the America of our founders once again...

The hatred of our Christ the hatred of our founders and the hatred of our culture....

And we keep making them rich so they can pump our kids heads with more of their filth...and other lies...


23 posted on 11/15/2004 5:40:49 AM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: kattracks
Just part of Hollywood's on-going war on "values".

The part about child sex, literally made me ill. I hope someone is keeping an eye on these child sex "activists".
24 posted on 11/15/2004 5:41:47 AM PST by rcocean
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To: kattracks
what is sin and abomination to one may be a worthwhile part of the next individual’s life

Must have missed that one in Catechism class....

25 posted on 11/15/2004 5:42:57 AM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: Prime Choice

By then we'll be voting on DMA from the rooftops. They're not going to TOUCH my kids.


26 posted on 11/15/2004 6:08:27 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (Thank You Veterans!!!)
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To: Prime Choice

By then we'll be voting on DMA from the rooftops. They're not going to TOUCH my kids.


27 posted on 11/15/2004 6:11:20 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (Thank You Veterans!!!)
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To: weegee
The American Academy of Pediatrics, liberal though they are, should prove a good ally in this fight. Go to their site and put in the search term "pedophilia" and you will see their stance on this through position papers that are full text-downloadable as pdfs.
28 posted on 11/15/2004 6:24:32 AM PST by Pharmboy (My tagline is on hiatus)
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To: EdReform; Happy2BMe; devolve
bump!

29 posted on 11/15/2004 7:14:07 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: kattracks; All
HERE is one of the better short articles I have seen detailing Kinsey's crimes.
30 posted on 11/15/2004 7:26:56 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: kattracks
His critics accuse Kinsey of “Mengele medicine,” meaning that he presided over Nazi-like experiments. Not so. We have no evidence that Kinsey and his team conducted or approved of any child rapes. He just used the records of pedophiles, coldly described in the first Kinsey report as males who “with their adult backgrounds are able to recognize and interpret the boys’ experiences.” Table 34 was a moral horror, and neither Kinsey nor his patron, the Rockefeller Foundation, seemed to think that anything was amiss.

This is simply trying to let this animal Kinsey off the hook. This is what is printed in a related article:

infants as young as five months were timed with a stopwatch for "orgasm" by Kinsey's "technically trained" aides, with one four-year-old tested 24 consecutive hours for an alleged 26 "orgasms." from :

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41407 ^

Given that information Kinsey is a child molester by proxy at the very least! This monster must have told the molesters to use a stopwatch and write down what they were doing. People need to know this before they spend their money for another Hollywood love affair with a child molester!

31 posted on 11/15/2004 9:18:12 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: kattracks

A couple of points. First, people who pioneer a particular science or area of science aren’t perfect. Sigmund Freud was one of the most unscientific pioneers in a field of study; his conclusions usually lacked any research and were baseless hypothesis. Yet he is still regarded as the founder of modern psychology despite the fact his conclusions are largely ignored. Kinsey pioneered human sexual scientific research. That doesn’t mean that his research, methodology and conclusions are correct. It only means he was the first.

Some contend that attacking Kinsey is the same as attacking the science, which I disagree with. Peer review is a heartless process that crushes bad science. If you want to avoid scrutiny by your peers, you avoid peer review and just publish a book ( a practice still done today ). The science of studying human sexuality is commendable and needed. But making erroneous conclusions is the real crime.

The charges that he was a pedophile seem to confuse the nature of his research with his own sexual actions. Out of all the things I’ve read online, I’ve never seen a documented instance that proved that Kinsey sexually molested children. He did a host of other sexual acts, but molesting children wasn’t one of them. His used records of pedophiles to make poor conclusions. His adherence to medical ethics (using SS “research” )were deplorable. He is guilty of being a poor scientist, but the charges of pedophilia are ungrounded.


32 posted on 11/15/2004 11:23:36 AM PST by stacytec
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To: GeronL
What he did was unconscionable and offers little distinction between him and his agents.

To find someone "who is just going to molest anyway" to do his dirty work is AS bad if not WORSE.
33 posted on 11/15/2004 11:59:20 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: joesnuffy
Kinsey is expected to get some Oscar nominations. Liam Neeson for best actor, I wouldn't be surprised by the director (who also made the pro-homosexual Gods And Monsters) also getting a nod.

Michael Moore is pushing his F911 into every nomination category he is still eligible for (he passed the deadline on Best Documentary, in part so he could try to get a US broadcast, I suspect also so there was not further investigation in that Cuba state television broadcast).

In recent years, we had The Cider House Rules selling the abortion agenda in the pre-RoeV.Wade 1930s also get Oscar nominations.

The Silent Majority needs to tune out Hollywood's award ceremonies and films if this is "the best" propaganda they have to offer us. Nothing good from "other" perspectives.

In this year of the political documentary, how many Best Documentary Feature/Short will be an anti-Bush/Iraq War film???

Screw Hollywood before they screw America.

34 posted on 11/15/2004 12:09:02 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: rcocean; All
Sex and the scientist (Roger Ebert discusses Kinsey and attacks social conservatives)
35 posted on 11/15/2004 12:19:36 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: kattracks
"Conservatives seem quaint when they argue that Kinsey’s two reports, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953), should never have been done."

I've never heard anyone say these studies should not have been done. I have heard (and agree) that Kinsey should have conducted his studies more carefully with less bias. His studies indicate that 10% of the population is homosexual. No other study supports his conclusions in that arena.

37 posted on 11/15/2004 12:30:02 PM PST by MEGoody (Way to go, America! 4 more years!)
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To: kattracks

I was suprised (and pleased) that the radio crime reporter on KFI (www.kri640.com)
mentioned his apprehension about the current film...
because of Kinsey's questionable investigations into pedophilia.


38 posted on 11/15/2004 12:32:41 PM PST by VOA
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To: Motherbear

Well , thats the thing. Doing research on something doesn't mean you approve it. Lots of people are currently doing research on all kinds of horrible things like genocide, that doesn't mean the researcher condones the topic they are studing.


39 posted on 11/15/2004 12:36:28 PM PST by stacytec
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To: Motherbear

Being non judgmental doesn't make him a pedophile either. It might make him unethical ( which I would certainly agree with) and possibly amoral.


41 posted on 11/15/2004 12:47:29 PM PST by stacytec
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To: weegee
Kids are still getting pregnant only now we are of the opinion that "it's going to happen anyway".

True. So give them condoms.

Hey. Kids are going to smoke anyway, so let's give them free cigs, too.

43 posted on 11/15/2004 12:56:13 PM PST by It's me
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To: It's me
With sex and drugs, we "know" that Just Say No! doesn't "work" but the anti-smoking crowd (who accept sex and drugs) say that it DOES work with anti-tobacco campaigns (like "truth").

They "know" that tobacco use in movies influences kids but the sex, disrespect,and foul language are just a f****n' part of life and to not include them would be censorship and besides they don't drive the culture.

Welcome to wackyworld (to quote a 'truth' add).

44 posted on 11/15/2004 1:03:38 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Motherbear

The sex positive types are okay with adult minor sex, minor minor sex, unmarried sex, adulterous sex, human animal sex, related human sex, same sex encounters, group sex encounters, hey, it's just sex.

Rape is the only thing they oppose (on the grounds there is no consent, rape fantasies are okay and they don't like to acknowledge that there is an age when minors are TOO YOUNG TO GIVE CONSENT).


45 posted on 11/15/2004 1:06:51 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Motherbear

He certainly laid a foundation for others in institutional settings WHO DO ADVOCATE IT.


46 posted on 11/15/2004 1:08:58 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Motherbear
Well, I was after you on ... He approved of pedophilia which I can't find evidence of. But I agree with you that his admitted sexual escapades were pretty torrid, he made the Marquis de Sod look normal.
47 posted on 11/15/2004 1:13:06 PM PST by stacytec
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To: kattracks
I thought that Alfred Kinsey had been totally debunked long ago.
I find it hard to believe that anybody is still reading his crap.
49 posted on 11/15/2004 3:46:29 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Motherbear

I don't believe in anything without some sort of hard evidence. Show me documents that support the notion that Kinsey actively engaged pedophiles to molest children.


50 posted on 11/15/2004 4:02:26 PM PST by stacytec
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