Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

CA: Dreier race illustrates cautionary tale on immigration policy
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 11/15/04 | Beth Fouhy - AP

Posted on 11/15/2004 8:34:50 AM PST by NormsRevenge

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Tucked into last week's otherwise predictable California election results lay a cautionary tale about the election year's most uncovered issue: illegal immigration.

Republican Rep. David Dreier, the 24-year Los Angeles-area veteran who chairs the powerful House Rules committee, won re-election to his House seat with just under 54 percent of the vote, down from 64 percent in 2002. His Democratic opponent, Cynthia Matthews, won almost 43 percent of the vote, despite spending just over $31,000 in her campaign, compared to more than $900,000 spent by Dreier. A Libertarian candidate won 3.5 percent of the vote.

While Dreier's winning margin over Matthews can't really be characterized as close, it was his worst showing since 1980, when he was first elected by beating a Democratic incumbent. It was this year's closest congressional race involving an incumbent running for re-election in California, and even Dreier called himself "humbled" by the outcome at his victory speech on election night.

While the 52-year old Dreier wields extraordinary power on Capitol Hill, he is also a political Zelig with a talent for landing in the middle of everything that matters. He is well known to many people, constituents and others, as a telegenic talking head who pops up regularly on cable news talk shows, sometimes seeming to be on more than one at a time.

Dreier is close to the Bush family and is said to have the ear of President Bush's omnipotent political consigliere, Karl Rove. Back in California, as one of Arnold Schwarzenegger's top advisers during last year's recall election, he seemed to be everywhere - at Schwarzenegger's side during important photo ops, on television as a Schwarzenegger surrogate, and negotiating Schwarzenegger's sole debate appearance - while also somehow finding time to run one of the most important committees in Congress.

After the recall, he chaired Schwarzenegger's transition team while enjoying numerous entreaties to challenge Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer. That exercise ginned up numerous news stories and television interviews for Dreier before he decided against making a run.

With power, visibility, and a congressional district drawn for Republicans, Dreier's future seemed limitless. That is, until two guys named John Kobylt and Ken Chiampu stepped in to reinforce former House Speaker Tip O'Neill's time-honored adage: all politics is local.

Kobylt and Chiampu host a daily talk show, "John and Ken," on KFI-AM, a Los Angeles radio station popular with conservatives. Recently, their chief topic has been illegal immigration. The two championed Arizona's ballot initiative to deny some public services to illegals, and held a contest to single out lawmakers they claim had done little to stop the flow of undocumented immigrants over California's border.

Winner of that contest - later dubbed their "Political Human Sacrifice" - was none other than Dreier, who has supported Bush's proposed guest worker program to grant legal status to millions of immigrants living in the United States. He has also championed more H1-B visas to foreign workers.

"Dreier's been on our show many times, using 30-minute filibusters to promote himself," Kobylt said in an interview. "He and other California Republicans whine about illegal immigration, but it's all lip service. So we decided the only way to get any action was to fire someone."

Thus began the John and Ken's "Fire Dreier" campaign, complete with a listener-designed Web site, video, and daily rantings on their show. So active were the two that the National Republican Congressional Committee filed a federal election complaint against the show, calling it an illegal campaign contribution to Dreier's opponent.

Dreier declined to come on the show to defend himself, but fought back hard with radio ads stressing his support of legislation making it harder to forge Social Security cards and penalizing employers who knowingly hire illegals. Schwarzenegger even recorded phone messages for Dreier, calling him "tough as nails" on immigration.

"Immigration is a very emotional issue, and there is a group of voters who have an intense, intense dislike for illegal immigrants," said Allan Hoffenblum, editor of the California Target Book. "Dreier has the same position that Bush has, which a lot of right wingers don't like, and it's easier to go after Dreier than Bush."

For his part, Kobylt said the immigration issue was a populist concern that both parties had effectively dropped.

"Republicans are in bed with businesses who like low labor costs, and Democrats have this socialist bent," he said. "But the taxpayers in this country cannot be responsible for a corrupt, bankrupt country like Mexico. We should start throwing employers in jail, a few fat rich white guys in prison."

Kobylt boasted that he was sure their campaign would open Dreier to a serious primary challenge in 2006, but Hoffenblum was more skeptical.

"The Republican establishment strongly, strongly supports him," Hoffenblum said. "Dreier would have Schwarzenegger walking precincts for him, and the president would probably join him."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush; calgov2002; california; cautionary; dhs; dreier; gop; hutchinson; illustrates; immigrantlist; immigration; policy; race; ridge; tale; temecula
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-66 next last
To: capitan_refugio
#1 - "John and Ken" aren't all that popular. They are just one morning radio show in a very large market. This was their shtick.

Wrong, they are between 3-7 PM week days...and yes, they are pretty popular, since KFI640 is the station who carries Rush Limbaugh between 9-12 Noon daily.

#2 - What may have hurt Dreier more than the immigration issue was that he was outed as a closeted gay.

Where did you get that idea?!

41 posted on 11/15/2004 9:38:38 PM PST by danmar ("Reason obeys itself, and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" Thomas Paine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: GraniteStateConservative
Delay has also had several ethical brushes, including a Dem prosecutor who kept hinting at indicting him, in the recent past. So maybe that's the cautionary tale?
42 posted on 11/15/2004 9:41:12 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Steven W.
Did the Dems force Bush to put forward an amnesty plan?
43 posted on 11/15/2004 9:42:46 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: capitan_refugio

Your "points" might be well taken if you knew something about their show. They are an afternoon drive time, not morning. If you're such an expert on them, I would have thought this detail would have been easy.


44 posted on 11/15/2004 9:44:14 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: danmar
"Where did you get that idea?!"

Try a google search for david dreier gay and see how thousands of hits you get. Whether he is or he isn't, should not have been a germane issue. But it was one running rampant through the grapevine. I first heard it at a precinct captain meeting in September. The rumor had been attributed to the radio show in question.

"Wrong, they are between 3-7 PM week days...and yes, they are pretty popular, since KFI640 is the station who carries Rush Limbaugh between 9-12 Noon daily."

I'll take your word for it, because at that time I am listening to Larry Elder on KABC Talkradio 790 AM, on my commute and errands. I may have been thinking about the EGBOK guy who just retired.

45 posted on 11/15/2004 9:55:05 PM PST by capitan_refugio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: GraniteStateConservative

Yes, it is a cautionary tale to him, but not with regards to immigration.


46 posted on 11/15/2004 9:56:32 PM PST by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Arizona Carolyn

Thanks - I have been informed. Do you know what the LA market ratings are?


47 posted on 11/15/2004 10:00:21 PM PST by capitan_refugio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: capitan_refugio
Whether he is or he isn't, should not have been a germane issue.

...well than drop it!

David is my Congressman and he did a lot of good things for our city.
I do have a beef with him about his stance on immigration, but under no circumstances I want him replaced.

His choice of sexual preferences is not my concern as long he is doing the job he was elected to do, namely representing the Foothills of San Gabriel.

48 posted on 11/15/2004 10:17:00 PM PST by danmar ("Reason obeys itself, and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" Thomas Paine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: radicalamericannationalist
"Your "points" might be well taken if you knew something about their show. They are an afternoon drive time, not morning. If you're such an expert on them, I would have thought this detail would have been easy."

Possibly you could present some recent rating data. As I have stated, I don't listen to their show.

49 posted on 11/15/2004 10:19:52 PM PST by capitan_refugio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: danmar
Danmar - if it cost him votes - rumor or not - it helps explain why he had an unusally "close" race (for an incumbent).

If Dreier had been my Representative, I would have gladly voted for him too. When I lived in the San Gabriel Valley, I was not in his district (I was then stuck with Marty Martinez). But the homosexuality issue was certainly a factor for some voters.

50 posted on 11/15/2004 10:28:47 PM PST by capitan_refugio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: capitan_refugio
I never said anything about their ratings. I couldn;t find the latest arbitron report.

However, you admit that you do not listen to the show. You do not even know when it is on the air. Therefore, you are a less than convincing critic of their show.
51 posted on 11/15/2004 10:31:31 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (The Senate is our new goal: 60 in '06.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: Mr. Mojo
Naw. I don't think that is true. I think that both parties are scared witless (or gutless) on this issue. They think that it is one of those mythological "third rail of american politics" issues.

The same thing happened with the "marriage amendments" passed in 11 states this election cycle. It was an obvious winner, but how many pubbies actually really pushed this issue?
52 posted on 11/15/2004 10:40:00 PM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: gubamyster; NormsRevenge; All

Active poll:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Do you believe the federal government needs to better enforce the laws against hiring illegal aliens?

Yes 94% 3898 votes

No 6% 248 votes

Total: 4146 votes


53 posted on 11/15/2004 10:45:48 PM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("As frightening as terrorism is, it's the weapon of losers." P.J. O'Rourke)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

John and Ken: Not that there's anything wrong with it!


54 posted on 11/15/2004 10:46:55 PM PST by Clemenza (Gabba Gabba Hey!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #55 Removed by Moderator

To: JohnnyZ
But no, you preferred to attack Bill Jones and David Dreier for not supporting shooting immigrants on sight .....

Why would anybody support the idea of shooting legal immigrants on sight?

56 posted on 11/15/2004 11:18:13 PM PST by usadave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Reagan Man

"And finally, the feds must end any and all government welfare funding to illegals."

Ending welfare would end the problem. If those on welfare had to go to work we'd have no room for illegals.


57 posted on 11/15/2004 11:30:24 PM PST by Razz Barry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: radicalamericannationalist

I address only their supposed "popularity." If the show is popular in its time slot, it will have ratings to show that. It has been in the news, however, that they conducted a vendetta against Dreier.


58 posted on 11/15/2004 11:37:23 PM PST by capitan_refugio
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: capitan_refugio
Not currently -- since I don't live there anylonger, but I know they are on during the rush hour and the number of people listening to them during the commute is huge -- they got into a hassel over something with the station management (had to do with management changes) and were fired or left... the complaints over their departure was such that they ended up being hired back.

Last summer when they started the massive calling campaign to Homeland Security to complain about the borders the calls to Homelands Asa was such as they cried uncle. They helped champion Arnold's race last year and were all over the LA Times when they slimed him at the end. They were also the one's who noted the LA Times placed the study on the cost of illegal immigration into the back of section C in the Sunday issue so no one would see how bad the cost to the Tax Payer really is.

I agree they can be a "little" over the top, but I find them entertaining and one thing they are as passionate advocates for whatever issue they take on -- they managed to really rile their base when David Drier had charges for violating McCain-Feingold against them for their charge towards eliminating him from re-election. I didn't want to see a Republican go down, but I'm not a big friend of Drier -- I think he's a phoney.

59 posted on 11/16/2004 12:37:44 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: NormsRevenge

B U M P


60 posted on 11/16/2004 12:42:57 AM PST by AnimalLover ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-66 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson