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"Red states" that supported President Bush also supported slavery
News Target ^ | November 15, 2004

Posted on 11/15/2004 11:19:28 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

*In case it's hard to read, on the Pre-Civil War Map, the red areas were slave states and the brown areas were territories open to slavery, while the green areas were free states and territories.

*These distinctions eerily correspond to the red states vs. blue states on the 2004 Election Map ~~ i.e., the blue (Kerry) states correspond to the pre-civil-war free states and territories, while the red (Bush) states correspond to what were the slave states and territories.

*To me, the images (and subsequent comments) simply point out that we as a country cannot, or refuse to, face difficult racial issues.

*I think the mentality which allowed certain parts of the country at a certain time in our history to accept the violent subjugation of an entire human race ...

*By using the headline "Free States vs. Slave States", an immediate deception is perpetrated that continues to deceive right through all following commentary. These were philisophical differences in forms of government and policy, not whether or not black people should be free.

*It is so hard for me to understand the wailing coming from the Dems on the slave map issue.

*Blue states versus Red States means nothing!

*1. The republican party (and the dems too) are very much different in character and ideal than they were 140 or so years ago.

*2. Jon Koppenhoefer makes a sensible and compelling argument but I want to focus on the slave/free map.

*The last major battle of the American civil war may well have been over LBJ's great society; we've been fighting continuously for 140 years.

*It would give more seats to California, Florida, Texas, North Carolina and other large and growing states, without taking away the one (minimum) Representative for Wyoming's 400,000 citizens.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kerrydefeat; red8states; slavery
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Yup, those pro-slavery Ohioans were real common.

Without dedicated proslavery generals like US Grant and WT Sherman, how could the Confederacy have lasted as long as it did?

The same goes for that bastion of the old Confederacy, North Dakota. Some historians say that the secession of the Dakota territory was the factor that inspired Virginia to finally breakaway, along with fiercely pro-slavery West Virginia.

21 posted on 11/15/2004 11:26:30 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Well if they want to go that far back then:

*The Republican Party is the party that won the Civil War and destroyed slavery.

*The Democratic Party split over the position that slavery was a positive good and either supported it outright during the Civil War or undermined efforts to end it.

*From the establishment of Jim Crow segregation at the end of the 19th century until the 1950's, its principal political supporters were in the Democratic Party.
22 posted on 11/15/2004 11:26:44 AM PST by StJacques
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Excuse me but Oklahoma didn't become a State until 1907 and Arizona was behind us!


23 posted on 11/15/2004 11:27:23 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Thanks Oklahomans for giving Pres Bush the win in all our counties!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I believe I am correct when I say that there were a great many of the "blue" states that voted for a Democratic President who (1) tried to pack the Supreme Court to get his way, and (2) threw lots of American citizens (who happened to be of Japanese descent) into concentration camps.


24 posted on 11/15/2004 11:27:55 AM PST by chs68
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Indiana and Kentucky and Virginia and Ohio were Nothern States....


25 posted on 11/15/2004 11:28:08 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right

Not Virginia.


26 posted on 11/15/2004 11:29:02 AM PST by Wneighbor
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Carole Simpson revisited. More stupidity.


27 posted on 11/15/2004 11:29:03 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (Save Terri Schiavo!!!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

We also volunteer in great numbers to fight for this great nation at every opportunity.

We also lead the nation in charitable contributions.

We also have a lower cost of living.

We also have less murders every year.

I could go on and on...


28 posted on 11/15/2004 11:29:21 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Yeah but it was OK when they were the SOLID SOUTH ( back in dem segregation days ) and pullling the DEM lever


29 posted on 11/15/2004 11:29:45 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The Western States and Midwest aren't slave states. They were Free Soil country.


30 posted on 11/15/2004 11:29:52 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("No time for losers, cause we are the champions...of the world!!!")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

And it was Republicans who freed the slaves.


31 posted on 11/15/2004 11:29:55 AM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I would venture to say that most racially motivated riots have been in the "blue" states or "blue" metros.


32 posted on 11/15/2004 11:30:25 AM PST by politicalwit (They want your vote... but not your voice.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

January Surprise: Bush has secret plan to reinstitute Slavery!!!


33 posted on 11/15/2004 11:30:41 AM PST by leftcoastlibertarian
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

It ain't states its Blue BIg Cities

I live in PA and factor out Philly and we is RED


34 posted on 11/15/2004 11:30:42 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Who gives a #%*#?!? Man, leftists are the biggest sore losers that ever set foot upon the earth. Get over it, you lost!!!


35 posted on 11/15/2004 11:30:46 AM PST by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. - Michelangelo)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Now the blue states promote indentured servitude and treat minorities like objects.

Witness the black man who drove a cab in NYC. A rich, white liberal woman gets into his cab and has him drive her somewhere. She says something bad about Bush and asks him if he's voting for Kerry. He says, no, he's voting for Bush. She goes mental and yells at him all the rest of the way. As she gets out, she is incredibly mean and lets him know that she will MAKE HIM PAY. So she invented false charges against him and the City of NY fined him.

Witness also Judge Janice Brown and Miguel Estrada who were turned into ugly caricatures in cartoons because the liberal establishment cannot stand free thinking. In either case, the bigots of the left said that other people were telling these educated and proven individuals what to think.

Is it any wonder that the libs have lost credibility? That's what the election was all about, not the values votes (which was from the bad exit polling anyway)


36 posted on 11/15/2004 11:30:50 AM PST by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: Always Right

Kansas and Nebraska were both free by the beginning of the Civil War as well.

Pesky things, those facts...


37 posted on 11/15/2004 11:30:54 AM PST by HRoarke (Please nominate Hillary!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

What the hey, I thought that there were only 11 secessionist slave states (let us not forget those Union states, like MD. which were also slave states). I didn't know that slavery was currently extant in the states. Silly me.


38 posted on 11/15/2004 11:31:00 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Liberals have controlled education for at least the last forty years. This is what you get, institutionalized ignorance.


39 posted on 11/15/2004 11:31:45 AM PST by TigersEye (Free speech! It's not just for Democrats anymore!)
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To: Tribune7
"Iowa, Indiana and Ohio were the Union states that went for Dubya."

You left out Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, and Kansas Tribune. Now if you meant to write "were the free states that went for Dubya" you would only include Kansas, admitted to the Union as a free state in 1861.
40 posted on 11/15/2004 11:32:01 AM PST by StJacques
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