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"Red states" that supported President Bush also supported slavery
News Target ^ | November 15, 2004

Posted on 11/15/2004 11:19:28 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

*In case it's hard to read, on the Pre-Civil War Map, the red areas were slave states and the brown areas were territories open to slavery, while the green areas were free states and territories.

*These distinctions eerily correspond to the red states vs. blue states on the 2004 Election Map ~~ i.e., the blue (Kerry) states correspond to the pre-civil-war free states and territories, while the red (Bush) states correspond to what were the slave states and territories.

*To me, the images (and subsequent comments) simply point out that we as a country cannot, or refuse to, face difficult racial issues.

*I think the mentality which allowed certain parts of the country at a certain time in our history to accept the violent subjugation of an entire human race ...

*By using the headline "Free States vs. Slave States", an immediate deception is perpetrated that continues to deceive right through all following commentary. These were philisophical differences in forms of government and policy, not whether or not black people should be free.

*It is so hard for me to understand the wailing coming from the Dems on the slave map issue.

*Blue states versus Red States means nothing!

*1. The republican party (and the dems too) are very much different in character and ideal than they were 140 or so years ago.

*2. Jon Koppenhoefer makes a sensible and compelling argument but I want to focus on the slave/free map.

*The last major battle of the American civil war may well have been over LBJ's great society; we've been fighting continuously for 140 years.

*It would give more seats to California, Florida, Texas, North Carolina and other large and growing states, without taking away the one (minimum) Representative for Wyoming's 400,000 citizens.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kerrydefeat; red8states; slavery
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Ironic isn't that the secession states are now the most patriotic and fly the Stars and Stripes the most


41 posted on 11/15/2004 11:32:02 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
First of all, Ohio, Indiana, Alaska and a few more didn't support slavery. West Virgina also became a state specifically because it wanted no part of the Confederate states and slavery.
Mainly though the whole thing is specious and one big non-sequiter. By the same logic we can say that because NYC overwhelmingly supported Kerry then it says something about his supporters because during the Civil War there were race riots that killed overa thousand blacks and there was serious talks of NYC seceding Dom the north. We can say that the Salem Witch trials prove that Kerry supporters are superstitious idiots. It a bunch of malarkey. Everywhere in the world, if you go back far enough in the past, you would find signs of bigotry, intolerance, and paternalism. Its just that in today, in America, that can be found in the northeast.
42 posted on 11/15/2004 11:32:16 AM PST by golch1979 ("Captain Sobel, we solute the rank, not the man.")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Kansas also was a FREE state. We had quite a border war going on with Missouri and my city, Lawrence, was burned to the ground by William Quantrill and raiders from Missouri.

Me thinks someone needs to check a history book.


43 posted on 11/15/2004 11:32:17 AM PST by KsSunflower
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

That has to be one of the most stupid Op-Ed's I have ever read.


44 posted on 11/15/2004 11:32:19 AM PST by KingPin (Live free or be a democrat.)
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To: Tribune7

My state was called "Bloody Kansas" because it wouldn't go along with the slaves states. The Missouri Border Ruffians took offense to Kansas' opposition to slavery and much bloodshed followed. Kansas was anti-slavery and is positively a red state.


45 posted on 11/15/2004 11:32:20 AM PST by CommerceComet
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Well.....in the 1956 election, the only states that Adlai Stevenson won against Ike were in the Deep South. And what does that tell you? Uh, not much, I guess.
46 posted on 11/15/2004 11:32:23 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Hurl the invective!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Not quite

Map of the division of the states during the Civil War. Blue represents Union states, red represents Confederate states, green represents unaffiliated states and yellow represents states that did not exist until after the War.

47 posted on 11/15/2004 11:32:31 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

the correlation is "eerie" only if you have a demented mind. one look at the maps leaves ND, SD, Iowa, Indiana, Ohio and Maryland as exceptions to this "rule". not much of a correlation unless you also just want to believe WHAT? Fill in the Blank? Ok, i believe that this is nothing more than HS. (that's Horsesh*t)


48 posted on 11/15/2004 11:32:34 AM PST by kralcmot (Duh-uhhhhhhh)
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To: HungarianGypsy
Montana was a slave state as well. Iowa too.

New Hampshire and Wisconsin were Alllllmost slave states, but not quite.

Whatta bunch of garbage. Who thinks of this dreck?

49 posted on 11/15/2004 11:32:36 AM PST by wbill
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
When the States Joined the Union
50 posted on 11/15/2004 11:33:02 AM PST by Time is now (We'll live to see it......or something like it....)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I know I'm the umpteenth person to point this out, but as long as we're bringing up ancient history, it's worth remembering that in the days of slavery and right up through Jim Crow, those states were run exclusively by Democrats.


51 posted on 11/15/2004 11:33:30 AM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("Hell, I don't want to meet them sons of bitches." Elvis Presley on the Beatles)
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To: golch1979

Sorry about the grammar.


52 posted on 11/15/2004 11:33:32 AM PST by golch1979 ("Captain Sobel, we solute the rank, not the man.")
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To: StJacques

""""Liberals have controlled education for at least the last forty years. This is what you get, institutionalized ignorance.""""


AMEN.


53 posted on 11/15/2004 11:33:34 AM PST by blakep
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
They don't have a single idea that will move the country forward, so they've got to look back 150 years to a dead issue. And it's dead because of Republicans like Abraham Lincoln, the Congressional Republicans of the 1960's who passed the Civil Rights Act, Ronald Reagan (who made MLK Day a national holiday and signed the Voting Rights Act), Richard Nixon (who instituted affirmative action), and George W. Bush (who has appointed more minorities like Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Alberto Gonzalez, Miguel Estrada, Rod Paige, etc than the Dems ever dreamed of), and you (Tumbleweed and other FReepers) and I, who are friends and coworkers with minorities, who offer the hand of friendship rather than the empty promises of a politician seeking a vote. You and I are the real friends of the minority, not this buffoon./rant
54 posted on 11/15/2004 11:33:43 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Yes DUmmies, we stole the election, but you'll never figure out how. Love, the VRWC.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Randy Newman had the "Free States" pegged way back in the '70s.
55 posted on 11/15/2004 11:33:50 AM PST by TigersEye (Free speech! It's not just for Democrats anymore!)
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To: vetvetdoug

Oh, now...what does premise and logic have to do with democratic press releases?.....


56 posted on 11/15/2004 11:34:34 AM PST by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi.)
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To: SheLion

>"Red states" that supported President Bush also supported slavery"

>>Ahhhh that was WAY before my time.

Eheh, not only that... but the states were, God forbid, Democrat.


57 posted on 11/15/2004 11:34:50 AM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Looks like Cali is red enough to classify as slavery lovers!!! OUTRAGE!
58 posted on 11/15/2004 11:35:40 AM PST by smith288 (I have posted over 10,000 times. The more I post, the more intelligent you become!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

After "the war" the south was forced to start accepting blacks as equals (note I said start) whereas the north did not have to change at all. Blacks migrated north is search of the jobs that the union industry provided. Fast forward to today with the loss of labor-intensive heavy industry in the NE, is it possible that the black populations in the "blue" states are kept in their place on the govt welfare plantation?


59 posted on 11/15/2004 11:35:50 AM PST by fr4tad
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

This article is an insult to several states. The famouos Union Iron Brigade included regiments from Indiana who served under General Reynolds and fought gallantly at Antietum and Gettysburg. Indiana volunteers also fought in the Western theater throughout the war. Hoosiers paid their share of blood to free the slaves, and we are not ashamed to share the distinction with our southern brothers and sisters to be a solid red state today supporting President Bush.


60 posted on 11/15/2004 11:36:07 AM PST by joebuck
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