Posted on 11/15/2004 6:38:13 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Democrats, after their embarrassing defeat at the hands of George W. Bush in the 2004 elections, apparently are trying to reframe what "moral values" are.
Voters, when given a choice of what was their primary reason for how they voted and whom they voted for picked moral values as the #1 reason. This can be found at http://www.pollingreport.com
The attempt by Democrats to reframe "moral values" is now being used to encompass such issues as poverty, while apparently excluding such issues as same-sex marriage.
Why would Christ be for same-sex marriage, when Christ was involved in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?.. but we'll get to that later.
While Christ, Himself, stated explicitely that we, as Christians, were to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and visit the infirm (Matt. 25:31-46), the Bible also states that if one can work, and willingly chooses not to, that person should do without. (2 Thess. 3:11) "..if any would not work, neither should he eat."
This even includes mothers who wont work and yet want to live off of taxpayer-subsidized apartments, AFDC checks, and food-stamps.
Remember, Christ called Paul the Apostle; Paul even declared this. Christ appeared to Paul the Apostle on the road to Damascus. Paul stated that the things which he wrote in the New Testament were given to him by Christ. (Galatians chap. 3)
Those who are for hand-outs to those not willing or wanting to work, be they Democrats or Republicans, are going against scripture.
Now, suprisingly to some, Christ had alot to say concerning same-sex marriage. In Matthew 5:31, 19:4-6; Mk. 10:1; Luke 16:18) Christ stated such things as: " For this cause shall a man shall leave his father and mother and shall cleave to his wife, and the twain shall be one flesh." Never once did Christ state that a man was to leave his father and mother and cleave to another man, or a woman leave and cleave to another woman. As well, not one scripture from the beginning of the Bible, Genesis, to the end, Revelation, ever condones same-sex marriage yet alone same-sex relationships.
What does the Bible, though, say about same-sex relationships?
To answer this, one must first start back at the beginning of the Bible, the book of Genesis. In Genesis 13:13 it states that "the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly." The Bible even records that God appeared to Abraham to tell him that he intended to destroy Sodom (from whence the term Sodomy is derived) for its wickedness.
In Genesis chap 19:4-9 it states that the men of Sodom came outside of Lot's(Abraham's nephew) house and asked Lot if they could have sexual relations with the two male guests who appeared in the gates of Sodom at dusk and were lodging with Lot that night. The two guests were actually angels as the Bible declares. Lot emphatically declared to them no. Then, after being told no, they stated their intention to gang-rape Lot: Gen. 19:9. Lot offered his two virgin daughters to the sex-crazed sodomites, knowing that as homosexuals they wouldn't want them, anyway.
Just why did God destroy Sodom, though, as Genesis chapter 19 declares?
Some say it was for inhospitableness or attempting to gang-rape Lot or even desiring the angels. While these may be additional factors, the Bible says in Genesis 13:13, long before the two angels even set foot in Sodom, that "the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly." Even Ezekiel 16:46-50 states why God destroyed Sodom.
Ezekiel 16:46-50: "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strenghten the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty and committed ABOMINATION before me. Therefore I took them away as I saw good."
What abomination could this be? Sodomy.
Leviticus 19:20 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination."
Now to the part about Jesus helping in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. 1.) Genesis 19:24: "Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven. This was after Lot had made it safely to the caves, with his two daughters, as per the angel's instructions.
2.) Jesus said in John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."
3.)Now, it was either the Father and the Son, Jesus Christ, or the Father and the Holy Ghost, or the Son and the Holy Ghost which destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Even if the Father and Holy Ghost were the two who destroyed Sodom, Jesus was still involved since He and His Father are one, as He, Christ Jesus, in John 10:30 declared.
As well, numerous scriptures in the New Testamnet declare that homosexuality is an abomination in God's sight.
Romans 1:27 states that "men left the natural use of the woman and burned in their lust one with another, men working with men that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves the just recompense for their error.". The preceeding scriptures talk about women with women being a sin in God's sight, as well.
All of this clearly shows that Christ Jesus is against same-sex relationships as well as same-sex marriage. They are an abomination in God's sight.
2 Peter 2: 7-11 declares why the Bible in Genesis 13:13 calls the men of Sodom "wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly. It states "and [the Lord] delivered just Lot vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked."
vexed. Gr. Kataponeomai. Translation: To wear down. filthy. Gr. Aselgeia. Translation: Lustfulness Conversation Gr. Anastrophe. Translation: Conduct
Translation of 2 Peter 1:27: God rescued just Lot, who was wore down from the lustful conduct of the wicked sodomites, who, according to Ezekiel 16:46-50 were destroyed for the abomination of Sodomy as Levitius chap. 19, Romans 1:27, and Ezekiel 16: 50 declare.
Christ says in John 14:15 that "if you love me you will keep my commandments."
Christ commanded that men only marry women, not men marrying men or women marrying women. If you are for same-sex marriage the you are against his commandments, and cannot possibly love Him. Christ, as well, destroyed the Sodomites for their wicked, lustful lifestyle, as John 10:30 and Genesis 19:24 show. Why would he then, again, condone a same-sex relationship yet alone a same-sex marriage?
If Christ Jesus doesn't condone homosexuality, as Genesis 19:24 declares, why should we?
I believe that you will find this thread "article", written by me, worth reading.
Thank-you to those who take the time to read it.
Otherwise, Christians fall into the same trap as Moslems where the entirity of their law (sharia) is based on suppositions about what the Prophet and his Disciples might have said, might have done, or could have thought about something.
About 1000 AD they locked their law in place. It has been unchaged ever since. That's why the knock brickwalls over on convicted homosexuals and abuse their women.
It's best of Christians speak where the Bible speaks, and remain silent where the Bible is silent.
bump
Sin is sin. Whether it is sodomy, murder, stealing, or cheating on your taxes; sin separates us from God. The only sin God cannot forgive is the unrepentant sin. No sin is to be proud of, not even homosexuality.
Obviously, you don't understand the Bible or how it is applied in a believers life.
Not being critical, but based on what you posted, is completely wrong.
DEM: Practice safe Sin
REP: Practice NO Sin!
For the first 300 years Moslems devised the Sharia by asking "What would Mohammad do"?
We would be denying Him and those who do not know what Jesus said about denying Him would surely be blessed if you could go dig it out and remember that what He said applies to all that he ever said and taught.
It's all there in His Word and if it isn't in His Word don't sweat it for there is nothing hidden pertaining to salvation.
On the other hand the title of the piece had that old "What would Jesus do" business in it.
Once you have Jesus in hand there's no reason to then imagine yourself in His place pondering the question.
In addition to the quote above about man and woman becoming one flesh, Jesus 'spoke' volumes about his regard for marriage by performing his very first miracle at a wedding.
Jesus spoke about those things that people were confused about in scripture. The people in 1st century Jerusalem understood perfectly and agreed with the Biblical teaching on sexual immorality so he didn't HAVE to speak to them about it.
Leviticus 18:22 THOU SHALT NOT LIE WITH MANKIND AS WITH WOMANKIND: IT IS AN ABOMINATION
The last of Romans Chapter One is clear.
So you are implying that Christians would fall into the same trap, as in "WWJD" and fall into the same mindless totalitarian set of laws ?
If so, that is not even worthy of a response.
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men,leaving the natural use of woman, burned in their own lust one toward another, men with men working what is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Amen to your comments BUMP.
Let's just leave it at that.
HOMOSEXUALITY AND WITCHCRAFT are not little sins....
BOTH ARE ABOMINATIONS TO GOD
When you ask WWJD you put yourself in place of God.
This is why you were given a scripture ~ to see what God Himself said about the matter. There's really no need to commit idolotry when all you have to do is read, or consult with someone who knows the scriptures.
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