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The ACLU wins one against the Boy Scouts
Indianapolis Star ^ | 11/16/2004 | MIKE ROBINSON AP

Posted on 11/16/2004 5:06:33 AM PST by Captal de Buch

The Democrats win one for a change.

Seething about their openly gay constituents being denied access to the Boy Scouts the legal arm of the left wing, the ACLU, has continued to dog the youth organization.

In an effort to force the Scouts to put homosexual predators into leadership positions the ACLU has sued Department of Defense, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Chicago Board of Education.

It looks like they aren't going to stop until they can get their hands on those kinds.

From the Indy Star.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEFENSE_BOY_SCOUTS?SITE=ININS&SECTION=US&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Pentagon to cut off Boy Scouts from bases

By MIKE ROBINSON Associated Press Writer

CHICAGO (AP) -- The Pentagon has agreed to warn military bases worldwide not to directly sponsor Boy Scout troops, partially resolving claims that the government has engaged in religious discrimination by supporting a group that requires members to believe in God.

The settlement announced Monday is part of a series of legal challenges in recent years over how closely the government should be aligned with the Boy Scouts of America, a venerable organization that boasts a membership of more than 3.2 million members.

[b] Civil liberties advocates have set their sights on the organization's policies because the group bans openly gay scout leaders [/b] and compels members to swear an oath of duty to God. The ACLU believes that direct government sponsorship of such a program amounts to discrimination.

The Pentagon said it has long had a rule against sponsorship of non-federal organizations and denied the rule had been violated. But it agreed to send a message to posts worldwide warning them not to sponsor Boy Scout troops or other such groups.

The rule does not prevent service members from leading Scout troops unofficially on their own time, and Scouts will still be able to hold meetings on areas of military bases where civilian organizations are allowed to hold events.

The settlement does not resolve other ACLU claims involving government spending that benefits the Boy Scouts, such as money used to prepare a Virginia military base for the Boy Scout Jamboree and grants used by state and local governments to benefit the Boy Scouts, Schwartz said.

He said the Pentagon spends $2 million every year to prepare the Virginia base for the jamboree, held once every four years. He said the Defense Department also makes annual allocations of $100,000 to support Boy Scout units on military bases overseas and $100,000 to improve Boy Scout properties, such as summer camps.

Attorney Marcia Berman, who represented the Defense Department, declined to comment on the settlement Monday. But Justice Department spokesman Charles Miller said the message that will be sent to bases represents "a clarification of an existing rule that DOD personnel cannot be involved in an official capacity." The original ACLU lawsuit named as defendants the Department of Defense, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and the Chicago Board of Education. The schools settled, agreeing not to engage in official sponsorship of scouting activities.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aclu; ban; boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; dod; gay; homosexual; religious; scouts
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To: bear11
The AC'PU' will only make the Boy Scouts stronger and more popular.

BUMP to that.

As long as the right of military families to form Boy Scout Troops is not taken away, this is not as big a deal as it appears.

Like religion in America, the independence of the Boy Scouts will become its strength.

As the negative effect of government affiliation with so many institutions becomes more evident (public schools, higher education, government welfare), those institutions that are free of the corrupting effect of affiliation will shine.

41 posted on 11/16/2004 9:23:24 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Captal de Buch

The ACLU issues a Fatwah on the BSA. Great. Did the aclu endorse Kerry?


42 posted on 11/16/2004 10:06:15 AM PST by searchandrecovery (No clever ideas in over: 3 days.)
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To: Captal de Buch
Here is the bottom line:

The Pentagon said it has long had a rule against sponsorship of non-federal organizations and denied the rule had been violated. But it agreed to send a message to posts worldwide warning them not to sponsor Boy Scout troops or other such groups.

The rule does not prevent service members from leading Scout troops unofficially on their own time, and Scouts will still be able to hold meetings on areas of military bases where civilian organizations are allowed to hold events.

The ACLU achieved nothing, but MSM wants to inflame conservatives with this.

43 posted on 11/16/2004 10:10:20 AM PST by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior force is the ONLY cure)
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To: Captal de Buch

The ACLU is still defending NAMBLA.


44 posted on 11/16/2004 10:12:34 AM PST by Beckwith (John Kerry is now a kept man . . .)
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To: shanscom

Unfortunately this is the same incrementalism that the anti-gun crowd uses - little steps over time adds up to a total loss of a right/what's right.


45 posted on 11/16/2004 10:16:44 AM PST by TheBattman (Islam - the cult of Satan)
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To: Captal de Buch; ForGod'sSake; bert; Mudboy Slim; FBD; BraveMan; scholar
"By MIKE ROBINSON Associated Press Writer"

Well shazzam!!
Had someone *read* me this while I covered my eyes it'd have been a slam dunk to guess the flake who wrote this bilge represented The Associated Quisling.

OK, the *betting* window's now open.
I'm [read: the "hose"] giving 4:1 odds the quisling fudgepacker writing this crap's as queer as a $3 bill.
Which of course makes this simply another [lousy] example of agenda driven -- albeit *stealth* -- activism masquerading as "news".

...any *takers*? :o)

46 posted on 11/16/2004 10:19:41 AM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Landru
"...the quisling fudgepacker writing this crap's as queer as a $3 bill."

You do have a way with words, my FRiend...but I still ain't takin' the bet...MUD

47 posted on 11/16/2004 10:38:16 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH the HildaBeast's Hubby!!)
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To: Captal de Buch
"If a State refused to let religious groups use facilities open to others, then it would demonstrate not neutrality but hostility toward religion." - Board of Education v. Mergens
48 posted on 11/16/2004 12:13:52 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Captal de Buch

For those who need reminding:
During the first years of existence, the Civil Liberties Bureau had a close relationship with the Communist Party, but by 1940 co-founder, Roger Baldwin, became disenchanted with it and removed the communist members from the board of the ACLU. The ACLU continues to have a reputation as being a leftist organization, but in fact, it defends people all along the ideological spectrum from ultra-conservative to ultra-liberal if it determines that their civil liberties are being infringed upon.
Among the founders of the ACLU, or as it was originally called, the Civil Liberties Bureau, were Crystal Eastman and Roger Baldwin. Eastman (1881-1928) studied law at New York University after getting her undergraduate degree at Vassar. This twice married mother of two was instrumental in passing workers compensation laws and did extensive research into industrial accidents. She was a women’s suffrage activist who managed the Wisconsin Women’s Suffrage campaign in 1912, and organized a New York Feminist Congress demanding equality for women in 1919.. (The women’s suffrage amendment giving women the right to vote wasn’t ratified until 1921, a year after the formation of the Civil Liberties Bureau.) Eastman helped found the Congressional Union, lead the New York Branch of the Women’s Peace Party opposing World War I, and edited the Liberator, an anti-war journal. In 1928, the journal, The Nation printed these words of her, “She was for thousands a symbol of what the free woman might be."
Roger Baldwin (1884-1991) attended Harvard obtaining his bachelor’s degree in 1904 and his master’s in 1905. He taught sociology, worked as a probation officer and served as the secretary of the Civic League of St. Louis before heading the pacifist organization, American Union Against Militarism, a predecessor of the Civil Liberties Bureau and the ACLU. This organization defended conscientious objectors and draft resisters during World War I. In 1918 he served nine months of prison time for himself resisting the draft. After release he joined the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW). Ultimately he co-founded the Civil Liberties Bureau, serving first as its director then later as its national chairman.
Until the ACLU’s involvement no free speech defense trials had been won in the Supreme Court. With the ACLU this changed. Among many successful freedom defenses by the ACLU was the right of the Jehovah’s Witnesses to enjoy freedom of the press which had been denied to them because of a Georgia statute requiring a permit to distribute literature of any kind. Other successful ACLU cases were the John Scopes “monkey trial” in 1925 permitting the teaching of evolution in schools, the James Joyce trial in which the ban was lifted from selling his book “Ulysses” in the United States, and the Henry Ford trial where his right to distribute anti-union materials was successfully defended.

The ACLU has fought a great many cases before the Supreme Court in defense of civil liberties. Among them, in 1941, the ACLU won a discrimination case referred to as Edwards v. California. This Supreme Court Case fought the “anti-Okie” law of California which prohibited the transporting of indigent people into the state. In 1943, the Supreme Court decided in favor of the ACLU in the religious discrimination case, West Virginia v. Barnette, and determined that Jehovah’s Witness children could not be forced to salute the American flag. In Smith v. Allwright, 1944, the ACLU successfully fought a racial discrimination case which allowed blacks to vote in Texas’s “white primary”. The Supreme Court determined that even though the Democratic Party is a private organization, primaries are essential to the electoral process and all eligible voters must be included. In 1948 a censorship case called Shelley vs. Kramer determined that restrictive homeowner’s covenants cannot be used to prevent the sale of houses to blacks. In 1952, Burstyn vs. Wilson determined that New York state was wrong to censor a movie called “The Miracle” for being sacrilegious, saying this violated the First Amendment.


In more recent cases, the 1992 case, Lee vs. Weisman determined that it is unconstitutional for officially sanctioned prayers to be lead at graduation ceremonies. The 1993 case of J.E.B. vs. T.B. the Supreme Court decided that pre-emptory challenges could not be used to exclude jurors on the basis of sex. And in 1997, the Supreme Court decided that the 1996 Communications Act banning “indecent” speech violated First Amendment rights.


The ACLU has traditionally fought cases that were unpopular and controversial, but they stand by the American citizen’s right to Constitutional freedoms. Those cases that may seem the most extreme and outlandish as they occur often later become beloved institutions of American jurisprudence.

There is alot more. Research this group. You may not like what you find!


49 posted on 11/16/2004 6:07:12 PM PST by bubman
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To: Captal de Buch; Landru
The settlement does not resolve other ACLU claims involving government spending that benefits the Boy Scouts, such as money used to prepare a Virginia military base for the Boy Scout Jamboree and grants used by state and local governments to benefit the Boy Scouts, Schwartz said.

He said the Pentagon spends $2 million every year to prepare the Virginia base for the jamboree, held once every four years. He said the Defense Department also makes annual allocations of $100,000 to support Boy Scout units on military bases overseas and $100,000 to improve Boy Scout properties, such as summer camps.

A couple of things caught my eye here . . .

1. Who is the "Schwartz" the article refers to?
2. $2 million every year the jamboree? That must be some jamboree!

Does anybody else have a problem believing the mystery Schwartz' figures?

50 posted on 11/16/2004 6:14:41 PM PST by BraveMan
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping - just skimmed the article so far. THe ACLU is so (word not up to FR standards) that it will make me too angry if I read every word of this article.

It is obscene how they are rabidly attacking the Boy Scouts - one of the best organizations that exists. So many boys have been greatly helped, and will continue to be helped. And the ACLU and their ilk won't stop until their goal of opening up the Boy Scouts to homosexual predators is realized.

And the Pentagon caved! That really makes me sick.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


51 posted on 11/16/2004 6:31:52 PM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: All

Sen JD Hayworth Arizona, is sticking up for the scouts!! he said he wrote to Rumsfeld and asked him to resend the order....WHAT A GREAT AMERICAN JD JAYWORTH is.....God Bless him.....
He was on Fox Hannity and Colmes.....Alan Colmes is such a freakin godless creep....godamighty hes awful and needs to be run out of america......


52 posted on 11/16/2004 6:49:31 PM PST by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: little jeremiah

bump for later

(mf'ers)


53 posted on 11/16/2004 7:01:20 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: BraveMan
"Does anybody else have a problem believing the mystery Schwartz' figures?"

WTF knows *who* the leaker is or if he even exists.
Allwe know is that the Associated Quisling's fudgepacker uses the name & quotes 'em in this propaganda piece.

So I guess the idea is?

...he must be an *expert*, eh?

54 posted on 11/16/2004 7:09:02 PM PST by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Captal de Buch

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55 posted on 11/16/2004 10:01:50 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: Captal de Buch

The ACLU won't rest until they have turned the Boy Scouts into the Unisex, Athiest, Gay, Politically Correct Scouts.

The ACLU outlived its usefulness long ago. What kind of people support them?


56 posted on 11/17/2004 3:14:55 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: TheBattman

Time for Rummy to intervene.


57 posted on 11/17/2004 8:52:40 PM PST by Bushbacker (ttlGe)
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To: caddie
This ACLU action is disgraceful

But so are the actions of socialists, everywhere. They can talk all they want. They can pay all the filing fees they like. But it's the courts that make this all possible. It's not the ACLU - there are hundreds of these sorts of groups. It's the JUDICIARY! Judges should be laughing these suits right out of court, or threatening such attorneys with malicious nuisance and contempt.

We'll just have to see about Arlen. But that chairmanship is a vital position in the government.

58 posted on 11/19/2004 5:12:47 PM PST by sevry
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To: Noachian

If you believe in God and Satan, then you understand that Satan has control over people in this world. It is obvious that the ACLU is an arm of Satan. Thus the destruction of morality and young boys are in the ACLUs best interests.


59 posted on 11/20/2004 9:19:30 PM PST by kenroar
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To: Made in USA

Ooops too. I didn't mean to say the Anti Christian Liberties Union...


60 posted on 11/20/2004 9:20:52 PM PST by kenroar
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