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Posted on 11/16/2004 7:32:01 AM PST by angel90210
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The main thing is those Muslims who want to assimilate and be westernized feel pressure from within their (Islamic) communities to use the sharia options when they are made available... narrow end of large wedge, etc.
Once after an extremely heated argument I had with a Islamofascist Koranimal in real life, a Muslim (an alcohol drinking, pork eating friend of mine, not a "true believer") said to me that these "rag wearing, crazy followers of Sharia are the ones that are giving me a bad name, and make it so hard for Muslims to come here and be like everyone else."
I think that speaks volumes.
Thin edge of the wedge.
Not 30 miles from Hamtramck, Michigan, where the moslem call to prayer is now broadcast 5 times a day.
Many people have said it, and I'll repeat it again.
Islam needs its own reformation.
Jan, did you get my private mail to you? Look in your mailbox.
The problem is societal pressure... you are shunned if you leave Islam or do not tow the line. Islam claims them, not the other way around, and its uncompromising, so if you are from a well known family (as many of my contacts were - and family bonds play a much larger part in Islamic society than ours) or are in a position of influence or a public figure, you are pretty much expected to tow line - in public anyways.
The hardest part is that Muslims do not owe their allegiance to their countries, but to their religion, and fellow Muslims above all else, and are obliged to assist fellow Muslims over the kuffar whether they are in the right or wrong, and once an Islamofascist quotes suras from the Quran, or sunna/ hadiths, to advance the cause of Jihad, the argument seems to end there. There is little further discussion.
Sure, some like Ibn Warraq, Amir Taheri and Ayan Hirsi Ali are brave enough to speak out, but they are a minority and in the case of Warraq, and Ali, had the good sense to leave the cult of death. I can assure you, none of those three would want Sharia anywhere near them.
Muslims overseas also seem to suffer from an extreme inferiority complex due to western dominance, and anything that gives them a "one up" on the west (like 9/11) seems to delight them.
I could not agree more. The "true believers" think any compromise, or watering down of Islam is considered "biddah" (innovation) and ultimately punishable by death.
Based on their track record, the fact that nobody kills Muslims beter than a militant Muslim, I'm bettin its going to be very bloody.
Well, I have to give it to Bush... the best way we can help Islam reform, or totally defeating its intolerant grip on much of the world is by knowing thy enemy, exploiting its existing weakness and many divisions, and playing these factions against another to our advantage even if we have to make allies with some. I favor a Machiavellian approach myself inspite of what my tag line says, as there will be fewer victims all round.
Anyway, I'm seriously gettign behind in work too but assure you, I will definitely carry on trying to open the eyes of others.
Or maybe a Pope. Either will be an improvement, of course.
The Islamic equivalent is a Caliph (Khalif, Khalif) and is exactly what these guys want to unite the ummah and make it stronger to face the west.
Thanks. That makes sense, although it's depressing. It seems like typical cult mentality except on a colossal scale.
Do you see any way that the spell can be broken? Or can Mohammedanism only be contained? It amazes me that historically the Christian world has never been able to roll back Mohammedanism anywhere without resorting to force.
I agree with the use of the word cult, and of the scale.
I have to apologize in advance that I don't have the time for a long reply at the moment.
As for breaking the spell.... yes, I think it's possible. In the same way the spell of Fascism, Communism and Pan Arabism has been broken. Ultimately it will involve cutting thru the PC BS and restraing Islams spread in the west, using overwhelming force (or the threat of it) to totally defeat the opposition overseas and humiliating (this is crucial) them in defeat either externally or from within, in the way we did for so many enemies in the past. Today any German Nazi, Japanese imperialist, EuroCommunists or their ideological kin, is seen as nothing but a lunatic from their own side, because of the total defeat of their ideology and cause. Victor Davis Hanson wrote more about this, but I cant find the article I would like to show you, but this is what we need to do to current crop of jihadis and their ideology. The Islamofascists will not understand any other language than force and humiliation, so sadly that will be the way we will have to conduct our business with them.
The Islamic world has seen the Kermalists fail and since the failure of the Pan Arabists, appear to be offered only a return to the "Golden Age of Islam" of the 7th century as a way of restoring their Islamic honor and pride. It does not appear to occur to them that oppressing over half their populations (women and minorities) and having Islamic superstition hold them back is not the way to become a productive society that can compete on a global scale. This is part of why they have become the parasites that they have, and can have to use the technological gifts of the west to destroy the things they could never create.
The method I would advocate first, call it "plan A" if you want, is along the lines of the Machiavellian apprach I touched briefly on in my #207. Understand and use their many divisions, to divide and conquer. Try and set examples of democracy as a beacon for some to follow as we're trying in Iraq, but failing this, and for the others, let the Islamic civil war begin as there is no bloodless way for Islam to reform. Make the majority of the Muslims wake up and understand that nobody has ever killed Muslims better than a militant Muslim. It's obvious that reform (if indeed possible) will have to come from within, combined with extreme outside pressure to force them to come to their senses, as VDH wrote "Mr. Musharraf is glad to be done with the Taliban he once promoted not because he fell for the charm of Colin Powell, but rather because he that saw GPS-bombs were getting awfully close to his own borders." I also have major concerns about the compatibility of Islam and democracy, but thats something that will be settled during Islams own internal conflict.
If we fail, because the clueless PC twits tie our hands, or if the "true believers" come out as the victors in Islams own conflicts and ummah unites against us "plan B" will have to be used and they will only have themselves to blame. A more confrontational approach, I would like to see an anti-Jihad alliance of the US, Israel, Russia, India, etc - all those at the receiving end of the global jihad... essentially what my tagline says.
humiliating (this is crucial) them in defeat
I've thought the same thing. The overwhelming defeat of the Japanese in WWII is a probably a good analogy, sadly.
I thought Caliph's ruled individual nations. I didn't know that a caliphate could extend over many nations. Do all the sects accept this?
What's happening in Europe will one day be happening here also.
The caliph is supposed to be the ultimate ruler, and transcends national boundaries for the "true believers." Since the line of the caliphs has been broken, it may be hard to get all Muslims to recognize any new Caliphs authority, but one thing you can be sure of is the "true believers" like Osama are the ones who will be behind imposing any new Caliph in the current climate.
Don't be such a jerk. Im a liberal and if we hated America so much we would be moving out of it to europe or canada. Get your facts straight before pointing fingers. The liberals stand for helping regular life while the conservatives stand for protecting it. I really hope you aren't old enough to vote...
um.. you do know that Boston is already a democratic state right? they are mostly liberal anyway.
Show us some Muslim outcry in Boston against the many terrorist acts commited against the US.........Kind of quiet , huh bud ?
This was your first post to me one year ago.Thanks for all the links and for sharing ALL your knowledge.
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