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Me and my Gun
foxnews.com ^ | Tuesday, November 16, 2004 | foxnews.com

Posted on 11/16/2004 11:07:11 AM PST by crushelits

Student Sues to Pose With Gun in Yearbook
CONCORD, N.H. — Where other students might pose for their senior yearbook photo with
tennis rackets or favorite cars, Blake Douglass (search) wants to be seen with his shotgun.

The 17-year-old senior filed a federal lawsuit to force Londonderry High School (search) to allow the photo and give up the policy school officials used to reject it.

"What they’re doing is basically discriminating based on content or message," said Penny Dean (search), Douglass’ lawyer and a specialist in gun cases. "You can’t do that. You might want to but you can’t — and especially you can’t with a broad policy like this."

"We want the picture in the yearbook," said Dean said after filing the lawsuit Monday in U.S. District Court.

The lawsuit seeks a temporary injunction so the picture can appear in the yearbook and a permanent injunction against the "pick-and-choose policy" of what photographs are published, Dean said.

The lawsuit names the Londonderry school board members, high school principal, school superintendent, town manager and school officials involved in the production of the yearbook.

An avid hunter and trap and skeet shooter, Douglass said he decided long ago on his senior photo — an outdoor shot in a sportsman’s pose, wearing a shooting vest and holding his broke-open shotgun over his shoulder.

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1 posted on 11/16/2004 11:07:12 AM PST by crushelits
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To: crushelits

That young fellow has a perfect right to have his picture posted that way. He is not holding the gun in a threatening pose, but quite professionally, even, if you'll excuse the pun, disarmingly.

But I think it's standard tradition now for people not to allow it. I know local Wal-Marts won't allow you to take pictures with any weapons at all. I can understand in a public marketplace, the desire not to have any firearms in the store, but this picture is already taken. You can tell the young man is somewhat professional, and is not threatening. Give the kid his yearbook picture.


2 posted on 11/16/2004 11:10:26 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (Knight of Gondor)
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To: crushelits

What's the problem here? I don't see anything unsafe about the way the weapon is being held. Just more gun hating leftists trying to make an issue where there is none.


3 posted on 11/16/2004 11:10:56 AM PST by AlaskaErik
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A clear example of 1st Amendment rights suppression of an expression of 2nd Amendment rights content!


4 posted on 11/16/2004 11:17:07 AM PST by kmm526161
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To: crushelits
Sue the pants off the school system! You can bet the parents that are going to be footing the bill for the school's legal fees aren't going to take this lying down.

When they start voting these fools off the School Board, they'll begin to see the fault of their ways. Until then, put the kids picture in the yearbook and get over yourself!

5 posted on 11/16/2004 11:18:27 AM PST by paulcissa (Only YOU can prevent liberalism.)
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To: crushelits

"Student Sues to Pose With "WEAPON" in Yearbook"

From my military days:

This is my weapon and this is my gun,
This is for fighting and this is for fun.


6 posted on 11/16/2004 11:19:05 AM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: crushelits
Uh, it should be "My Gun and I". Unless of course you and your gun are the objects of the sentence then, well... you know.
7 posted on 11/16/2004 11:19:17 AM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Joe Brower; MissTargets

Ping


8 posted on 11/16/2004 11:19:45 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: AlaskaErik

The picture looks perfectly OK to me. The lefty's for sure wouldn't like it though. The kid needs a couple of piercings. A burning U.S. flag in the background would be nice, and a couple of newly married gay fellows on a blanket having a picnic would be needed for the picture to pass the liberal school test.


9 posted on 11/16/2004 11:20:41 AM PST by skimbell
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To: crushelits

It is good to see that people are finally standing up en masse against the Leftist's plans to p*ssify America's youth. More power to this young man and his family!


10 posted on 11/16/2004 11:20:49 AM PST by Prime Choice (STFU ACLU.)
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To: crushelits

I regularly see cashiers asking 60-year-olds to show their ID before they'll sell 'em cigarettes. "Zero tolerance" just allows people to bypass brain usage and go directly to "duh".

Next they'll use "well, if we allow this kid with his gun we'll also have to allow a picture of Daryl with his crack pipe, too." A bunch of BS if ever there was any.


11 posted on 11/16/2004 11:21:28 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: crushelits

It was alright for John Kerry to swing a shotgun around and brag while running for president so by the same token this young man should have his picture as shown, posted any place.


12 posted on 11/16/2004 11:23:57 AM PST by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
I know local Wal-Marts won't allow you to take pictures with any weapons at all. I can understand in a public marketplace, the desire not to have any firearms in the store

Does this store not sell rifles, like the other Wal-Marts I've been to?

13 posted on 11/16/2004 11:27:16 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

||Does this store not sell rifles, like the other Wal-Marts I've been to?||

Yes, and that's a good point. But I would say they probably have safety precautions set in place for firearms sales. Perhaps they take it out to your car for you? I don't know, I haven't purchased any firearms from Wal-Mart.


14 posted on 11/16/2004 11:30:49 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (Knight of Gondor)
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To: crushelits

CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE LONDONDERRY SCHOOL DISTRICT

Email these morons! Call, write, fax!

Londonderry School District:

email: dmcleod@londonderry.org
Phone: (603) 432-6920
fax: (603) 425-1049
address: 268 Mammoth Road Londonderry, NH 03053

http://schools.londonderry.org/index2.cfm


15 posted on 11/16/2004 11:31:39 AM PST by Matttheconservative (Semper Fidelis)
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To: AlaskaErik
HOPLOPHOBES!
HOPLOPHOBES!
HOPLOPHOBES!
16 posted on 11/16/2004 11:33:30 AM PST by P8riot (A gun is just a substitute for a penis, so when attacked by a mugger one should pull out a..........)
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To: crushelits

Isn't skeet shooting still an Olympic sport?


17 posted on 11/16/2004 11:34:26 AM PST by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
That young fellow has a perfect right to have his picture posted that way.

Nonsense, he has no such right. No right to have your picture posted exists.

It's bad enough to have people trampling all over real rights without inventing rights which do not exist.

18 posted on 11/16/2004 11:37:04 AM PST by Protagoras (No wonder we have problems, big tents have lots of clowns inside)
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To: crushelits

I'm sure a high school student would know that this was going to cause all sorts of problems.


19 posted on 11/16/2004 11:38:13 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: YouPosting2Me

[snicker...]


20 posted on 11/16/2004 11:41:04 AM PST by DanTheAdmin (A blue man in a red state...)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Yep. Bought a cheap Mossberg shotgun a couple of weeks ago, and sure enough, after stacks of paperwork and thumb prints, the floor supervisor carried the disassembled, boxed shotgun to the door and stepped outside before handing it to me. Corporate policy, no doubt. She was very pleasant.


21 posted on 11/16/2004 11:45:52 AM PST by HeadOn (Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.)
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To: Protagoras
No right to have your picture posted exists.

True, and an important point to make...

but maybe he has a liberty interest (or possibly even a property interest), and a government entity is depriving him of it without Due Process or just compensation. =^)

22 posted on 11/16/2004 11:50:13 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Protagoras

Well, yes and no. If the school has made a habit of letting the Seniors pose in all sorts of ways, with their pets, their cars, etc., they ought to have to accept his choice as well.


23 posted on 11/16/2004 11:52:17 AM PST by HeadOn (Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.)
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To: Teacher317
but maybe he has a liberty interest (or possibly even a property interest), and a government entity is depriving him of it without Due Process or just compensation. =^)

Regardless of his interests, he has no such right. And it's a point lost on many who have trouble distinguishing such things based upon personal preferences.

24 posted on 11/16/2004 11:54:27 AM PST by Protagoras (No wonder we have problems, big tents have lots of clowns inside)
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To: thackney

Some Wal-Marts do not sell firearms. I spent, regretfully, a few months in Cleveland this summer, and when I was in shopping at a Wal-Mart, I decided to browse its selection of rifles and shotguns, just for fun.

Didn't sell 'em. But that's Cleveland for you.


25 posted on 11/16/2004 11:54:37 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: Protagoras
Nonsense, he has no such right. No right to have your picture posted exists.

You are committing a fallacy of assuming the poster was talking about Constitutional rights. He was talking about the notion of a right in the softer, more liberty-oriented sense, I'll wager, but of course it's no fun giving someone the benefit of the doubt when you can leap to criticism instead.

26 posted on 11/16/2004 11:55:28 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: HeadOn
If the school has made a habit of letting the Seniors pose in all sorts of ways, with their pets, their cars, etc., they ought to have to accept his choice as well.

Habits don't establish rights.

And the school certainly is within it's legitimate scope in determining what pictures if any, will appear in a yearbook.

27 posted on 11/16/2004 11:59:33 AM PST by Protagoras (No wonder we have problems, big tents have lots of clowns inside)
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To: crushelits
Last year my dad and I were going shooting and we stopped at Walmart for ammo and hearing protection. As we walked in my dad asked "don't you need to leave that (my colt 1911) in the car?" I replied "it's safer on my hip than left in the car." Nobody questioned my possession in that store in Tempe, AZ; but than again that is in the Wild West.
28 posted on 11/16/2004 12:00:49 PM PST by jjones9853
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To: jjones9853

Virginia residents enjoy the human right of open carry as well.


29 posted on 11/16/2004 12:03:32 PM PST by society-by-contract
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To: thackney; DaveLoneRanger

The local Wal-Mart (California) took all the guns out of the cases about a year ago. Now they only have air rifles, and paintball stuff. Even worse, they lied and said they'd only be gone while employees were being "trained". They now admit, the guns won't be comming back.

A big fat rasberry, to Wally World!


30 posted on 11/16/2004 12:07:00 PM PST by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: RogueIsland
You are committing a fallacy of assuming the poster was talking about Constitutional rights.

But it's OK for you to assume what he meant? That's not a fallacy?

I went by his ACTUAL words and you went by what you were willing to bet on based on your assumptions, who needs criticism?

And just what the hell are "softer more liberty oriented" rights? Where would we find such rights?

31 posted on 11/16/2004 12:08:47 PM PST by Protagoras (No wonder we have problems, big tents have lots of clowns inside)
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To: Protagoras

I did not say Constitutional. They are correct. It was inferred that that's what I meant. Not true. If other people can have pictures taken with memorabilia, cars, certain clothes, whatever, he ought to be able to have his picture like that.

The trigger is hidden, the chamber is hidden, the shotgun is cracked in half, and the tip of the barrel is hidden. You can't make a gun look more harmless than that. And yes, shooting is still Olympic, and it's still a regular sport too.


32 posted on 11/16/2004 12:11:52 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (Knight of Gondor)
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To: ibbryn

RE "Isn't skeet shooting still an Olympic sport"

Yes both skeet and trap are still Olympic sports (although double trap was dropped).

USA shooting team won several medals in trap and skeet (as well as some other shooting events) at the last olymics but you never heard anytyhing about it on any of the television coverage.


33 posted on 11/16/2004 12:15:43 PM PST by RatSlayer
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To: HeadOn

My year book has couple of photos with guys with their souped up hot rods. All accidents looking for a place to happen. Fortunately no one bought he farm over them.


34 posted on 11/16/2004 12:23:02 PM PST by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: Protagoras

Please tell me what rights we have as Americans please.


35 posted on 11/16/2004 12:27:00 PM PST by Durus
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To: DaveLoneRanger
I did not say Constitutional.

Nor did I. Constitutional rights are merely rights enumerated on paper.

If other people can have pictures taken with memorabilia, cars, certain clothes, whatever, he ought to be able to have his picture like that.

Perhaps it would be "fair" to some people, but it's irrelevant, this is a lawsuit. And just like the liberals like to do, some try to create rights out of whole cloth via the courts.

The point is not the gun, nor the other pictures. The point is, schools get to decide what goes in the yearbook, or whether to even have a yearbook. The students don't get a say. The inmates don't run the asylum.

And before anyone gets carried away, I am pro gun rights, and anti government schools. People have the right to carry and the government has no legitimate power to run schools on my dime.

36 posted on 11/16/2004 12:31:44 PM PST by Protagoras (No wonder we have problems, big tents have lots of clowns inside)
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To: Durus
Please tell me what rights we have as Americans please.

Rights are not American or not American. Rights exist even if they are violated, and are not peculiar to one place. And the rights we enjoy as Americans because they have been enumerated in various documents (which are mostly ignored today) are not granted by those documants or any laws, they come from God.

But to sum it up,
You have the right to do anything that doesn't violate the equal rights of others.

37 posted on 11/16/2004 12:36:20 PM PST by Protagoras (No wonder we have problems, big tents have lots of clowns inside)
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To: crushelits

Contribute to the Blake Douglass Legal Fund: Penny Dean, 59 Warren Street, Concord NH 03301. Please note on the check that it is for the Blake Douglass Legal Fund.

This is from the an article/report in Firearms&Freedom, the journal of GO-NH, Fall/Winter 2004. The article is only in the print copy but you can contact GO-NH at 603-225-4664, they may have reprints.


38 posted on 11/16/2004 12:38:38 PM PST by Oakleaf
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To: Oakleaf

Might as well send it to the ACLU.


39 posted on 11/16/2004 12:45:05 PM PST by Protagoras (No wonder we have problems, big tents have lots of clowns inside)
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To: Protagoras

In that case he has the RIGHT to have his picture in the yearbook the same as all of his class mates. You yourself stated our rights are not limited to those enumerated.


40 posted on 11/16/2004 12:46:58 PM PST by Durus
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To: crushelits

What is that? A 20 gauge? What's he trying out for Prom Queen or somethin'. :)


Actually, that is a very cool senior picture. And a very nice nice bit of walnut and steel.


41 posted on 11/16/2004 12:47:44 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: crushelits

Good shot


42 posted on 11/16/2004 12:51:02 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: Durus
In that case he has the RIGHT to have his picture in the yearbook the same as all of his class mates.

Absurd.

You yourself stated our rights are not limited to those enumerated.

In your scenerio, all things are rights. In which case I have the right to do anything I choose because rights are not limited to those enumerated. You really need to do better than that.

Does he have the right to appear nude in the yearbook?

43 posted on 11/16/2004 12:54:29 PM PST by Protagoras (No wonder we have problems, big tents have lots of clowns inside)
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To: Protagoras
The point is, schools get to decide what goes in the yearbook, or whether to even have a yearbook.

So true. But the schools cannot run amuck in their anti-gun policies. "They" have been following such an approach for years, and they need to be called on it. The schools work to marginalize and demonize guns, and this cannot go on.

44 posted on 11/16/2004 1:08:41 PM PST by technochick99 (Sanctimonious prig..., selfish hedonist)
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To: technochick99
"They" have been following such an approach for years, and they need to be called on it.

I agree.

The schools work to marginalize and demonize guns, and this cannot go on.

It will go on, as long as people continue to tolerate government schools. In a private school, this wouldn't be an issue in all likelihood.

45 posted on 11/16/2004 1:17:57 PM PST by Protagoras (No wonder we have problems, big tents have lots of clowns inside)
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To: Protagoras
It will go on, as long as people continue to tolerate government schools. Unfortunately, I cannot see any sort of change coming down the pike soon.

However, if schools can change policies (eg Halloween and the complaints of a few Wiccans), then "we" can help them change this one. Make it cost enough in terms of bad PR and $$, and they will crumble.

46 posted on 11/16/2004 1:26:06 PM PST by technochick99 (Sanctimonious prig..., selfish hedonist)
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To: crushelits
This is my rifleshotgun. There are many a few others like it, but this one is mine...
47 posted on 11/16/2004 1:27:58 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Ummmm.... walmart has rack upon rack and case upon case of firearms in their stores.


48 posted on 11/16/2004 1:28:44 PM PST by johnb838 (and Allawi replied: "To hell they will go.")
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To: technochick99
Liberals invent rights through the courts, not conservatives.

Suing to prevent school administrators from making decisions about these mundane matters is counter productive. It is a can of worms and you may not like the new "rights" you create.

How many of you would like to see two boys deep kissing each other in the yearbook? That's where it's going you know. If this kind of nonsense is allowed you will rue the day.

49 posted on 11/16/2004 1:32:21 PM PST by Protagoras (No wonder we have problems, big tents have lots of clowns inside)
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To: Protagoras

I'm not talking about rights. I am talking about control of the schools being maintained by the community.


50 posted on 11/16/2004 1:43:14 PM PST by technochick99 (Sanctimonious prig..., selfish hedonist)
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