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U.S. Marines Rally Round Iraq Probe Comrade
http://reuters.myway.com/article/20041116/2004-11-16T153656Z_01_L16269777_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-IRAQ-FALLUJA-INVESTIGATION-DC.html ^ | 11/16/04 | Michael Georgy

Posted on 11/16/2004 5:44:59 PM PST by jarcolaNY

FALLUJA, Iraq (Reuters) - U.S. Marines rallied round a comrade under investigation for killing a wounded Iraqi during the offensive in Falluja, saying he was probably under combat stress in unpredictable, hair-trigger circumstances.

Marines interviewed on Tuesday said they didn't see the shooting as a scandal, rather the act of a comrade who faced intense pressure during the effort to quell the insurgency in the city.

"I can see why he would do it. He was probably running around being shot at for days on end in Falluja. There should be an investigation but they should look into the circumstances," said Lance Corporal Christopher Hanson.

"I would have shot the insurgent too. Two shots to the head," said Sergeant Nicholas Graham, 24, of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. "You can't trust these people. He should not be investigated. He did nothing wrong."

The military command launched an investigation after video footage showed a U.S. Marine shooting a wounded and unarmed man in a mosque in the city on Saturday. The man was one of five wounded and left in the mosque after Marines fought their way through the area.

A pool report by NBC correspondent Kevin Sites said the mosque had been used by insurgents to attack U.S. forces, who stormed it, killing 10 militants and wounding the five. Sites said the wounded had been left for others to pick up.

A second group of Marines entered the mosque on Saturday after reports it had been reoccupied. Footage from the embedded television crew showed the five still in the mosque, although several appeared to be close to death, Sites said.

He said a Marine noticed one prisoner was still breathing.

A Marine can be heard saying on the pool footage provided to Reuters Television: "He's f***ing faking he's dead."

"The Marine then raises his rifle and fires into the man's head," Sites said.

NBC said the Marine, who had reportedly been shot in the face himself the previous day, said immediately after the shooting: "Well, he's dead now."

THOROUGH PROBE PROMISED

The Marine commander in Falluja, Lieutenant General John Sattler, said his men followed the law of conflict and held themselves to a high standard of accountability.

"The facts of this case will be thoroughly pursued to make an informed decision and to protect the rights of all persons involved," he said.

Marines have repeatedly described the rebels they fought against in Falluja as ruthless fighters who didn't play by the rules. They say the investigation is politically motivated.

"It's all political. This Marine has been under attack for days. It has nothing to do with what he did," said Corporal Keith Hoy, 23.

Rights group Amnesty International said on Monday both sides in the Falluja fighting had broken the rules of war governing the protection of civilians and wounded combatants.

Gunnery Sergeant Christopher Garza, 30, favored an investigation but like other Marines said the Pentagon should weigh its decision carefully.

"He should have captured him. Maybe the insurgent had some valuable information. There may have been mitigating circumstances. Maybe his two buddies died in Falluja," he said.

Sites said: "I have witnessed the Marines behaving as a disciplined and professional force throughout this offensive. In this particular case, it certainly was a confusing situation to say the least."

The U.S. military has been embarrassed by scandals in Iraq, most prominently the Abu Ghraib affair in which at least eight U.S. soldiers have been tried or face courts-martial over the abuse of prisoners at the jail outside Baghdad.

There have also been several cases in which soldiers have been charged with wrongfully killing Iraqis during operations.


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1 posted on 11/16/2004 5:44:59 PM PST by jarcolaNY
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To: jarcolaNY
I support the troops!

2 posted on 11/16/2004 5:46:14 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

ME TOO!!!!! :-)


3 posted on 11/16/2004 5:49:14 PM PST by Ros42
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To: jarcolaNY

This is a war, dammit, not a parade of accused criminals for the "American" Civil Liberties Union to represent. These buildings (and bodies) are often booby-trapped; you cannot expect 19 year olds under the heat of battle with constant threats to their lives to operate under Marquis of Queensbury rules. Bush needs to decide whether he won this election and just what policies the majority of us who elected him will tolerate. You've got the majority, Mr. President, USE IT!


4 posted on 11/16/2004 5:49:20 PM PST by laconic
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To: Brad's Gramma

"HE DID NOTHING WRONG" HE KILLED A TERRORIST - HE DID HIS JOB!


5 posted on 11/16/2004 5:49:34 PM PST by princess leah (\)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Just shameful shameful these poor men and women have to defend themselves against their own people and media somethings wrong.


6 posted on 11/16/2004 5:49:35 PM PST by jarcolaNY
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To: jarcolaNY

FROM TAMMY BRUCE:

As many of you know, one of our fighting men has come under
"investigation" for shooting a terrorist who was pretending to be dead in a mosque.
The media is spinning this as a "shooting of a wounded, unarmed Iraqi." The bottom line is that he was a murderous savage trying to trick one of our soldiers, who then did his job by killing that enemy.
Quite a few of our casualties as we liberated Fallujah were soldiers who approached the supposed dead or wounded terrorists only to be injured or killed because the body or person was boobytrapped. This was at a time of combat and our young man did his duty. He deserves a medal, not a lawyer.
Please contact the Department of Defense, the White House, your congressional representatives and the US Marine Corp to express your support for that brave marine. Tell them you expect him to be treated as a hero who did his job. Essentially, your voice must eclipse the leftist media who in all likelihood probably expect to make this another abu Ghraib.

Here are the contact numbers and e-mails. Yahoo doesn't allow e-mails in these messages, so I've added a space so it can be read. Please eliminate that space when you use it:

Department ofg Defense: 703-428-0711
House/Senate Contact: 202-224-3441 (They'll ask for your state, and
then connect you to your senator or congressman).
US Marine Corp Public Relations: 703-614-1492
DoD E-mail/Website: www.defenselink.mil (use their 'contact us' link
to e-mail Rumsfeld and everyone else)
President Bush: president @whitehouse.gov
VP Cheney: vicepresident @whitehouse.gov

Please voice your support for this Marine and all our other soldiers so they feel free and safe to perform their duty as this young man has done. As John Kerry said, we need to find and kill terrorists. This Marine did just that, and in a situation where clearly he felt in danger and acted to save the lives of his buddies.

I'll keep you updated here and on my show.

Best
Tammy BRUCE


7 posted on 11/16/2004 5:51:11 PM PST by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: laconic

Where are all those email addresses for the pres and out senators and congressmen? We need to bombard them with demands to support this good soldier!


8 posted on 11/16/2004 5:51:25 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: jarcolaNY
my question is : what has now become of Kevin Sites?
still embedded? transfered to another unit?
left on his own to find his way out of al Anbar?

Curious minds want to know!....
9 posted on 11/16/2004 5:52:11 PM PST by injin
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To: injin

Hey the dead Muslim came to town for martyrdom. The Marine just helped him out.


10 posted on 11/16/2004 5:53:06 PM PST by ReadyNow (When you see the eye, expect a lie!)
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To: Ramonan
As many of you know, one of our fighting men has come under "investigation" for shooting a terrorist who was pretending to be dead in a mosque.

Tammy, m'dear...if the shoot was righteous, the Marine has nothing to fear. The USMC JAG is not known for giving a s**t what the lamestream press has to say.

11 posted on 11/16/2004 5:53:07 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: princess leah

Well, he could be given a medal (but it could be announced that it is a lesser medal than was originally proposed). That way the balance of rewards and punishments would be maintained.


12 posted on 11/16/2004 5:53:24 PM PST by GSlob
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To: jarcolaNY
The young soldier has a lot of support all over the

country. Today I fished with several of the troops who will

be going back to Iraq and everyone supports him this is

truly a national outrage against the media.
13 posted on 11/16/2004 5:53:51 PM PST by rodguy911 ( President Reagan---all the rest.)
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To: injin

I don't think that he is a bad person, but he is a pussy for burning a warrior. I hope he writes weather reports in upstate NY after this.


14 posted on 11/16/2004 5:55:02 PM PST by Thebaddog (Dawgs at rest.)
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To: jarcolaNY
Now is the time for all the politicians who support the troops but not the war to open their mouths and show their support for the troops. It's only been a few days but the longer this goes on the more deafening the silence.
15 posted on 11/16/2004 5:55:26 PM PST by jackieaxe (FU2NBC&cBS)
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To: jarcolaNY

It would be good for President Bush to come out and support this Marine, but I guess that's too much to ask these days.


16 posted on 11/16/2004 5:55:40 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: jarcolaNY
The U.S. military has been embarrassed by scandals in Iraq.

Pure BS!

The US has been unfairly attacked by the main stream media with overblown and outright fabricated stories.

The only scandal is that the US public doesn't march in protest against the networks.

These anti-American evil doers need to be brought to justice

17 posted on 11/16/2004 5:55:40 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: Poohbah

You are exactly right. While it no doubt helps morale for our troops to know America stands behind them, the UCMJ process works very well, and outside the influence of our worthless media.


18 posted on 11/16/2004 5:56:35 PM PST by Rokke
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To: jarcolaNY
Once again the left will help the Islamofascists with their propaganda campaign.

Hopefully the young marine wasn't "acting up" for the cameras.

19 posted on 11/16/2004 5:58:25 PM PST by HP8753 (Bypass Online News Sites Registration>>>> www.bugmenot.com)
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To: jarcolaNY; All
In case you haven't seen this...
20 posted on 11/16/2004 5:58:28 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: Thebaddog
check out his website

http://www.kevinsites.net/

the man is no newbie, I first saw his reports from the northern front , 173rd AB AO , when Iraqi Freedom kicked off.
He had real long hair at the time . I thought "wow! a hippy combat journalista!" So he's been tailing along the doggies
for quite awhile now .
I think he should have given the footage to NIS or somebody,
but not throw it straight to the media sharks.
Now he shall either have to leave or watch his own backside
in Iraq , me thinks....
21 posted on 11/16/2004 5:59:29 PM PST by injin
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To: jarcolaNY
The NBC correspondent should go back and embed with the same Marine unit when they hit Mosul.

He'll never go back with a Marine Unit in country for an extended night op. He may do so during the day, he may do it with a camera on him... but his days of going with the troops "anonymously" are done.

Nobody will cover his "6". They wouldn't kill him but that doesn't mean he wouldn't die. It's awful lonely on a battelfield, especially if you are the odd man out.

Kevin Sites should proudly wear the scalp of every Marine who hesitates and dies due to a "fake" surrender or "rigged" body. NBC should be covered with the blood of every Marine as well. Rest well Kevin... you did a great job for the insurgents today. You may get more Marines killed than the islamo-thugs.


22 posted on 11/16/2004 6:00:32 PM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: laconic

Why fight is the MSM, NBC/General Electric and others try to undermine everything they try to do.


23 posted on 11/16/2004 6:00:43 PM PST by FrankRepublican (Boycott NBC & their parent company General Electric for smearing the USMC)
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To: jarcolaNY

Damn Right!


24 posted on 11/16/2004 6:00:55 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Pass Tort Reform Now! Make the bottom clean for the catfish!)
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To: airborne

How about some OUTRAGE from Amnesty International about the beheadings and the murders of innocent civilians like Mrs. Hassan! Those are scandals--just like the Oil for Food program--but we don't have constant media attention on those issues!! I HATE MORAL EQUIVALENCY!!!


25 posted on 11/16/2004 6:01:56 PM PST by milagro
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To: Brad's Gramma

My mantra this week: Please call the Commandant of the Marine Corps - 703-614-2500 and offer your support for this young marine.

During my conversation with the marine who answered the phone it became clear they're getting plenty of negative "feedback" from the public.

They deserve better.


26 posted on 11/16/2004 6:02:08 PM PST by SE Mom (God Bless our troops.)
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To: Poohbah
"...if the shoot was righteous, the Marine has nothing to fear. The USMC JAG is not known for giving a s**t what the lamestream press has to say."

Thank you for that positive reminder. Meanwhile, WE can continue to push for change in the way the media reports.

27 posted on 11/16/2004 6:02:09 PM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: jarcolaNY
I still have not seen or heard anything that convinces me that this Marine did anything wrong. The Geneva Conventions are a series of wartime rules ,which, when I can find it I will post it,also prohibits against using wounded or the dead to further combat. Of course, beheading probably doesn't fall under the GCs. Just things the US Military does are covered.
28 posted on 11/16/2004 6:03:26 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (We won. We don't need to be forgiving. Let the heads roll!!!!!!!!!)
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To: SE Mom
My mantra this week: Please call the Commandant of the Marine Corps - 703-614-2500 and offer your support for this young marine.

Repeat for anyone scanning this thread!

29 posted on 11/16/2004 6:04:18 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: airborne
to airborne: Well said. Right now MSNBC is talking about Court Marshall procedures with an Army judge advocate asking questions like "will it matter that this insurgent was a prisoner". It makes me sick. A prisoner? It was a mosque where the Marines had just taken fire from, not a prison. I still find NBC's behavior hard to believe. Of course those crooks at the UN and the Arab press are running away with this story. Maybe NBC News should move from New York City to Paris if they want to be an unbiased international news organization. This behavior is treasonous and should not be tolerated. Why does everyone on TV sound like they are routing against us?
30 posted on 11/16/2004 6:04:56 PM PST by jackieaxe (FU2NBC&cBS)
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To: airborne

They need to tell the MSM they are on there own...and quit giving invitations! Let the solders do there job!...and if the MSM interferes...nick thy bastards in the butt and give them something to really call home about!


31 posted on 11/16/2004 6:05:12 PM PST by Hotdog
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To: jarcolaNY
The military command launched an investigation after video footage showed a U.S. Marine shooting a wounded and unarmed man in a mosque in the city on Saturday. The man was one of five wounded and left in the mosque after Marines fought their way through the area.

I'd really like to know why editors let their reporters get away with stuff like this.. I mean, yeah, I know, media bias, but there is a line one can cross... '...a man who later was shown to be unarmed and wounded...' The funny thing is that they'll bend over backwards to say 'allegedly' about any murderer, yet a soldier doesn't even get the same grace.
32 posted on 11/16/2004 6:05:42 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Same here.


33 posted on 11/16/2004 6:06:10 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: milagro

Amnesty International is like the ACLU. They only help communist causes.


34 posted on 11/16/2004 6:08:33 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: jarcolaNY
wounded? who cares. Im just saying

These young guys were saving there ass. end of f*cking discussion.

If you were there what would you do. after two or three days of getting shot at around this place. You walk into a room and see a body that could have a rifle or grenade to turn on you

What would you do? ??? what you should do is put a round through said supposedly bad guys head/spinal stem and eliminate the threat to you and your palls in a tenth of a second.

done

what the hell is up with the media - f#ck em

this man saved his life and others as well

stupid news, Im watching this crap on tv now . Its a bunch bull**** what there saying
35 posted on 11/16/2004 6:10:53 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: Brad's Gramma

I support the troops!

I support the troops!

I support the troops!

God Bless the United States Military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


36 posted on 11/16/2004 6:13:00 PM PST by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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To: jarcolaNY
[ From another FR posting on Hezbollah jihadis in Lebanon. ] Here is what this country is up against: women parading as suicide bombers, boys raised worshiping hate and murder becoming islamo-nazi men.

WAKE UP! Americans who can't support ALL our guys in Iraq should go live in Lebanon.




37 posted on 11/16/2004 6:13:08 PM PST by drpix
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To: jarcolaNY

I support America and our troops.


38 posted on 11/16/2004 6:13:36 PM PST by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dick Vomer

Looks like a DirtBag to me.


39 posted on 11/16/2004 6:13:48 PM PST by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: jarcolaNY

Now....if we could just get the FR admin to rally around our MARINES....


40 posted on 11/16/2004 6:13:51 PM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: jarcolaNY

I reaaly want to see the video


41 posted on 11/16/2004 6:14:14 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon
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To: All

I called the USMC PR relations office today and the gentleman I spoke with said they were getting lots of support for this young marine. I asked if they wanted my name or phone number and he said no, they were just noting the calls and thanking the public for their support and concern.


42 posted on 11/16/2004 6:14:50 PM PST by austinaero
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To: ezoeni

ID make sure no media was around me for sure because I would of been up the river along time ago with my terrorist trigger finger.


43 posted on 11/16/2004 6:14:52 PM PST by jarcolaNY
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To: jarcolaNY

the media...including some Conservatives simply havn't a clue that at least 2/3rds of Americans don't care about this....a Marine killed a wounded rag-terr...so effin what?


44 posted on 11/16/2004 6:15:36 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: drpix


CHILD ABUSE of the worst kind!!!

45 posted on 11/16/2004 6:15:46 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Proud Patriots dot com! Check it out!!!)
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To: kingu
"I would have shot the insurgent too. Two shots to the head," said Sergeant Nicholas Graham, 24, of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

The lamestream media doesn't even mention the "unarmed iraqi civilian" was an insurgent terrorist. Sgt. Graham has it right except for one thing-- the marine should've shot the embedded enemy propogandist first.

46 posted on 11/16/2004 6:18:02 PM PST by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: jarcolaNY

My sense is that this is going to make the American public even angrier at the media than they already are. There was no purpose to releasing this film except to make the United States look bad.


47 posted on 11/16/2004 6:18:30 PM PST by Nick Danger (The number you have dialed, 1-800-KERRY, has been disconnected or is no longer in service.)
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To: Dick Vomer

Traitor NBC photographer email addresses:

kevinsites@hotmail.com

kevin@kevinsites.net

http://www.kevinsites.net/


48 posted on 11/16/2004 6:19:29 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Vigilanteman

I noticed that on KFI-640AM Los Angeles today, during the news breaks, that they used the 'terrorist' word, and often. A marked difference from last week, actually.


49 posted on 11/16/2004 6:20:12 PM PST by kingu (Which would you bet on? Iraq and Afghanistan? Or Haiti and Kosovo?)
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To: jarcolaNY

His comrades may be most important but the least of it. If we put our minds to it he easily could get the support of hundreds of thousands of us at home.


50 posted on 11/16/2004 6:21:02 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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