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WW II Flashback: 'Terrorists' Kill 1,000 Americans in Postwar Germany
NewsMax.com ^ | 11/16/04 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 11/16/2004 6:08:18 PM PST by kattracks

The president declared victory over a year ago, but terrorists continue to pick off U.S. troops and even American civilians at the rate of three per day.

The maniacal dictator may be long gone, but his hard-core followers continue to wreak havoc across the land, with the interim government seemingly powerless to stop the mayhem. Back home, the press takes an increasingly pessimistic tone, with some of the most prominent news organs pronouncing the U.S.'s postwar strategy an abject failure.

Iraq 2004? Not exactly.

Try Germany 1946, in the first year after World War II.

To hear the liberals tell the story, once the Allies conquered the Nazis, they stayed conquered - with American forces treated like the liberators they were.

But according to Fox News Channel war historian Oliver North, not every conquered German welcomed the American occupation with open arms.

On Monday North detailed the little-known truth about the post-World War II U.S. experience to ABC radio host Sean Hannity:

"From May 8, 1945 until June 1946, over a thousand Americans and their dependents were killed by German terrorists," he explained, while discussing his new book, "War Stories II: Heroism in the Pacific."

So, how did the U.S. eventually quell the violence?

"General Eisenhower went to [interim German leader] Konrad Adenauer, the guy we hand-picked to run the new government," said North. "And he told him, 'You either stop this or we'll get a new guy to run this country.'"

Adenauer prompty contacted the Wermacht and told them to take care of the problem at all costs, using former SS troops if necessary.

"It wasn't pretty," said North. "There were no trials - nobody was brought before tribunals or anything like that. The German army just went out and took care of it. And the killing stopped."

Added North, "I think that's probably what's going to happen in Iraq."



TOPICS: Extended News; Germany; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: denazification; napalminthemorning; postwargermany; postwariraq; religionofpeace; wot; wwii
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With the MSM screaming all the way.
1 posted on 11/16/2004 6:08:19 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks

I don't want to think about how MSM would reporting during and after World War II. I am not surprised that thousands of Americans were killed after the war ended. Many Nazis refused to surrender. Also, many Nazis fled Europe to either Middle East or South America. In Iraq, we have caught most of the Baathist leaders.


2 posted on 11/16/2004 6:11:34 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: kattracks

A little known story.
I like the thinking behind the solution.


3 posted on 11/16/2004 6:12:10 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers
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To: kattracks

This will never, ever make it into the MSM. But thanks for the great post. Missed North on Hannity. I've been wondering about this for awhile.


4 posted on 11/16/2004 6:12:24 PM PST by ml1954
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To: kattracks

In the liberal fantasy world, wars, revolutions and the like are failures if not resolved one way or the other in about 24 hours.


5 posted on 11/16/2004 6:13:02 PM PST by Williams
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To: kattracks

Non-revisionist history bump


6 posted on 11/16/2004 6:13:59 PM PST by exnavy
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To: kattracks
The "occupation" and "de-nazification" of postwar Germany and Japan took over 30 years to complete.

What's more, the "embedded" media of WW2 were patriots (like Ernie Pyle and Bill Mauldin) not the treasonous scumbags of today.

7 posted on 11/16/2004 6:16:03 PM PST by Alouette (When the wicked perish, there is jubilation! Proverbs 11:10)
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To: Ptarmigan
I don't want to think about how MSM would reporting during and after World War II.

With the scum that makes up today's MSM, the enemy doesn't need a Tokyo Rose, or a Joseph Goebbels.

The MSM has happily taken over for them.

8 posted on 11/16/2004 6:22:43 PM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks

Today, the MSM would view Nazis as the oppressed. By the way, the Soviet Union before they got invaded saw Nazis Germany as the oppressed by Western Imperialism from Treaty of Versailles.


9 posted on 11/16/2004 6:25:23 PM PST by Ptarmigan (Proud rabbit hater and killer)
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To: kattracks

And so far we've suffered fewer combat deaths than these 1000+ killed in post war Germany. Fewer than 900 of the 1100 the MSM likes to harp on are combat casualties. The rest are accidents and illness. Leave it to the deceit-drenched media to lump them all together to come up with the rabble rousing 1000 killed benchmark so as to turn passions against the war.


10 posted on 11/16/2004 6:25:25 PM PST by MikeA
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To: kattracks

BTTT


11 posted on 11/16/2004 6:26:46 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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Does anyone have a link to a more authoritative source than Hannity? It could very well be true, but I'd like to see some sourcing on this number.


12 posted on 11/16/2004 6:38:34 PM PST by sullivan-fan
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To: beekeeper

bump


13 posted on 11/16/2004 6:40:17 PM PST by KeyWest
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To: sullivan-fan

"Does anyone have a link to a more authoritative source than Hannity? It could very well be true, but I'd like to see some sourcing on this number."

It is Ollie North who is putting forth the info, not Hannity.


14 posted on 11/16/2004 6:45:24 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is the Socialist Mafia. It is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: kattracks
Of of the many WWII pictures I saw, some of them had a jeep with a pole mounted on the front bumper. I at first thought it was a towbar, but was told it was because the Germans strung piano wire across the road to try and decapitate our soldiers, after the war was over. I can't find any numbers on how well this worked for the Germans, but estimates were at least two dozen KIA. Most of the modified jeeps appear in 1945 and after.
15 posted on 11/16/2004 6:49:18 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (This space for rant)
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To: Alouette; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; blam; SunkenCiv; Howlin; MEG33; Mo1; TexKat; DollyCali; ...
What's more, the "embedded" media of WW2 were patriots (like Ernie Pyle and Bill Mauldin) not the treasonous scumbags of today.

Information here:

____________________________________________________________________

Unholy Alliance

by David Horowitz
Hardcover - (September 2004) - $27.95

In this tour de force on the most important issue of our time, David Horowitz, confronts the paradox of how so many Americans, including the leadership of the Democratic Party, could turn against the War on Terror. He finds an answer in a political Left that shares a view of America as the “Great Satan” with America’s radical Islamic enemies.

16 posted on 11/16/2004 6:49:33 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: kattracks; Ragtime Cowgirl; blackie; Libertarianize the GOP; RaceBannon; ...

fyi


17 posted on 11/16/2004 6:52:04 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: kattracks

The media seems to be composed of fancy dans who were
"momma's little darlings" with all sorts of educational
advantages (much like today's little liberal academics
who make fun of real people). The closest they have come
to combat is to dress up like a soldier and embed
themselves behind the real soldiers who are charged with
protecting their lily white rears for them.


18 posted on 11/16/2004 6:53:19 PM PST by Twinkie
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To: kattracks

Thank God for W! In 60 years our kids will be able to read about a courageous American President that saved the world.

It is time to get real ugly. It is time to be brutal and make our actions deadly and clear. There is not one corner of this planet that is not media savvy anymore so playing games will not do any good.

Our traitor msm emboldens thse animals. Surprise, we did not send the msm to fight the war. Let them play the tape of the Marine on the Arab press. I bet the people who want peace are relieved to see we mean business. They too have suffered from these animals.

I was so proud of our soldiers when they got on there knees in repect to that mosque in the beginning of the war. I also support the Marine for his actions. Keep up the pressure, dogs!

Semper Fi Red in a blue state!


19 posted on 11/16/2004 6:55:32 PM PST by Trainfish
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To: Williams
In the liberal fantasy world, wars, revolutions and the like are failures if not resolved one way or the other in about 24 hours by communist, socialist, or other "progressives" victory.

20 posted on 11/16/2004 7:00:38 PM PST by Axenolith (This space for rent.)
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To: calenel

somewhere in my library I have an apaprently scholarly book on the post V-E day "werewolves" or nazi resistance. mY memory is that it has a lot of interesting detailed plans by them, but it certainly didn't discuss causing deaths above a few dozen. I'll see if I can dig it out.


21 posted on 11/16/2004 7:01:06 PM PST by BohDaThone
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To: sullivan-fan

My husband is a historian- specializes in American Civil War- he not only has been telling me about this fact for years - when I had not heard it anywhere else- but that his father told him a lot of the ones that were resisting our boys in Normandy were the French- not all of them were glad to see us coming - and certainly were not sure we would wind up being the victors- making life for some of the Frenchies difficult to be seen helping the Allies. Do you think if Dan Blather was in charge now he would let us in on these tidbits??The Frenchies fought the Britson the sea- and fought us - but when the Germans had em cornered- they scuttled there own ships - can't trust people like this


22 posted on 11/16/2004 7:10:49 PM PST by newzhawk
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To: kattracks
This little tidbit ran in our local paper over the weekend... German POWs in the USA
23 posted on 11/16/2004 7:12:35 PM PST by tubebender (If I had know I would live this long I would have taken better care of myself...)
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To: kattracks
"It wasn't pretty," said North. "There were no trials - nobody was brought before tribunals or anything like that. The German army just went out and took care of it. And the killing stopped."

I may add the following:

We firebombed Japan and the fighting eventually stopped.

We nuked Japan and the fighting stopped a lot quicker.

We firebombed Dresden and the fighting eventually stopped.

In Japan and Germany, we did not give a damn about the enemy "fighting from religious bunkers". Our tropps blasted the bunkers--be they religious or not.

We fought war during World War II like a war. We did not send young soldiers into urban areas to do street-to-street fighting until we LEVELED the whole city with massed artillery and carpet bombing.

We fight today like we are playing a G rated video game, while the enemy plays with R rated graphic violence.

Only when the horrors of war are brought to the enemy does the enemy break. Political correct "warfare" (or gamesmanship like it is today) will NEVER end the fighting. The only way to end the fighting is to make war so horrific for the enemy that they never want to wage war again, like Japan and Germany feel today 50 years later.

24 posted on 11/16/2004 8:27:44 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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To: kattracks
I'm gonna get flamed for this but most of this is bogus. There were nazi terrorists in post war Germany. They killed nowhere near 1,000 GIs. Their targets were mostly infrastructure and locals whose deaths could be used to frighten the population from cooperating. Adenauer was running nothin in 46 or 47. The decision on reconstituting Germany had not been finalized. The idea that we armed the Wehrmacht and SS is preposterous. The Russians would have gone nuts, the Brits too. In fact for even making the suggestion Patton was stripped of Third Army command

How was the insurgency quelled? Summary executions, property confiscations, and arbitrary imprisonments by Allied forces. The History Channel did a two hour on this, with film of the executions, about six months ago. There's a thread on the board about the show. Ollie and Limbacher need a fact checker. Flame Away!

25 posted on 11/16/2004 8:31:06 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: BohDaThone

You're right...this loosely knit group called themselves Werewolves. Primarily started by members of the SS, but included other ex-members of the military services.


26 posted on 11/16/2004 8:32:01 PM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: kattracks
The MSM has happily taken over for them

BINGO!

27 posted on 11/16/2004 8:42:48 PM PST by Mo1 (I'm back to hating Democrats .)
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To: kattracks

I think Col. North forgot to tell the truth on this one.

The Bi-zone wasn't even established until 1947, the Federal Republic was constituted in 1949, and the Wehrmacht wasn't formed until 1950. So there was no German government or Wehrmacht to turn to in 1945-46.

As for Konrad Adenauer, in 1945 the British sacked him as mayor of Colonge. In 1946 he served in the state legislature of NordRhein then NordRhein - Westfalia after those entities were constituted (British, not American zone, by the way).
http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/biografien/AdenauerKonrad/


28 posted on 11/16/2004 8:52:36 PM PST by PAR35
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To: xkaydet65
most of this is bogus

You beat me to the post button, but I did throw in something about Adenaur.

North must get his info straight from Dan Rather.

"Historian" Oliver North. Who are they trying to kid.

29 posted on 11/16/2004 8:57:40 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The enemy within!!!


30 posted on 11/16/2004 9:02:15 PM PST by SierraWasp (Demented, deranged, liberal Demonicrats are trying to suffocate the soul of America !!!)
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To: Alouette; SJackson; dennisw; Balkans; joan
>>>>>>>>>de-nazification" of postwar Germany and Japan took over 30 years to complete<<<<<<

Forget about Nuremberg trial and Eichmann. In-depth Denazification of Germany never happened. It was a show for outside consumption only. It was small fry Nazis who paid the price. Big Nazi fish only got bigger tank after the war

-Almost 10,000 Nazis were transferred to U.S. as scientists, engineers and spies. Many Nazi war criminals lived as 'silent neighbors'.

-Boatloads of high ranking Nazis were sent to South America via RATLINES

-Industrialists who armed Hitler were put aside until the climate for German Industrial Wonder was ripe

-Ideologues of Nazism remained at top positions in German academia claiming to be 'victims of Nazism'

- Purveyors of Nazi propaganda were recycled and continued publishing

In Austria it was even worse. Kurt Waldheim, Nazi responsible for mass murder of Jews, Greeks and Serbs became UN Secretary General and President of Austria.

Don't forget that Germans were not the only eager and willing Hitler Nazis in Europe. Waffen SS Order of battle is the proof . (United Europe is Hitler's concept) Perhaps per capita there was more Nazis in Austria then in Germany.

The anti-Jewish sentiment in Europe today is not at all surprising when the suppresed facts are taken into consideration.

31 posted on 11/16/2004 10:31:28 PM PST by DTA (proud pajamista)
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To: kattracks

Well with the new media, we are killing the MSM too. Their age has passed. May a new day dawn.


32 posted on 11/16/2004 10:33:47 PM PST by Blowtorch
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To: kattracks

So, how did the U.S. eventually quell the violence?

"General Eisenhower went to [interim German leader] Konrad Adenauer, the guy we hand-picked to run the new government," said North. "And he told him, 'You either stop this or we'll get a new guy to run this country.'"

Adenauer prompty contacted the Wermacht and told them to take care of the problem at all costs, using former SS troops if necessary.


"It wasn't pretty," said North. "There were no trials - nobody was brought before tribunals or anything like that. The German army just went out and took care of it. And the killing stopped."

Added North, "I think that's probably what's going to happen in Iraq."

>>>

If Olly runs for President, I'd have to take a hard look at his political values...I sure like the guy.


33 posted on 11/17/2004 12:18:21 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ApesForEvolution

This is historical nonsense. The guy has no idea of history. First of all, I´d like to see the names of all those 1,000+ dead GI´s. Secondly, Adenauer was the old and new democratic Lord Mayor of Cologne back in 1946, and the leading figure of the Christian Democrats. But it was unclear who should or will run W Germany after an election. Germany was run by the occupying powers for four years, and there was also no Wehrmacht and SS in 1946 - no German was allowed to bear a weapon in 1946.


34 posted on 11/17/2004 12:37:52 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus

no German was allowed to bear a weapon in 1946.


?


Did anyone tell the terrorists that?

I'm glad to see you clowns are still trying to pick apart the War to Save Civilization from Jihadist Muhammadans...fargin igits.


35 posted on 11/17/2004 12:47:17 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: Michael81Dus

and there was also no Wehrmacht and SS in 1946 - no German was allowed to bear a weapon in 1946.


>>>

Are you saying that when the Government of Adanauer enlisted the good old boys to quell the terrorists they weren't given (like they turned all their weapons in, wink-wink) the weaponry with which to do it?


36 posted on 11/17/2004 12:50:38 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ApesForEvolution

Sorry, you are confusing some important things. Most notably, you confuse the fight against terrorism in Iraq with WW2 respectively the time after the war. There were no terrorist structures or note-worthy activities in post-war Germany, the people had no food, they cared about the basics of life and had no wish to do more harm after the worst war ended. The Werwolfs have been just little more than a fairy gang in Goebbels mind. It is a lie to say that 1,000+ American (or even British, French) soldiers died in post-war Germany other than of illness.

And, may I remind you that the Federal Republic of Germany, and also the German Democratic Republic, were founded in 1949? The police started to work in early 1947 and before that, any German bearing a gun could have been shot by the allied.

Adenauers Government took over office from and in cooperation with the allied powers after a free election in 1949, not earlier. Adenauer had not to fight terrorists because there were simply no terrorists. This alleged comparison between Germany in 1945/46 and Iraq of last and this year is historical nonsense. Ask veterans, look up history books. Not "the Left" or someone else is trying to rewrite history, but this guy who wrote this sh**. There was also an urban legend of an article written in 1946 about these Werwolf activities, but it is nothing else than an urban legend. Look it up, inform yourself and don´t believe lies just because they could help you for a political analogy today.


37 posted on 11/17/2004 1:36:37 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus

IIRC, I only post to you when my computer solitaire isn't working...yeah, that's right. I don't value your posts at all, I just remembered. If you said it was raining outside, I'd go outside and confirm.

When you guys decide to stop being girly men lying down with your Arab sugar daddies, let us all know...


38 posted on 11/17/2004 1:40:35 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ApesForEvolution

Are you denying the truth of history?
http://www.aicgs.org/c/livingston011004.shtml

"There is not a single documented case of an American soldier being murdered by bitter end SS men after Germany's capitulation."

And in case you didn´t know: I supported the war against Iraq and am still doing so.


39 posted on 11/17/2004 1:45:56 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: kattracks
As others have pointed out, North's story is just bogus. Sounds to me like Ollie got an e-mail from someone, and swallowed it whole without checking the facts. There weren't 1000 U.S. soldiers and dependants killed by "German terrorists" in the year following the war, nor was there a German army that could have suppressed them.
40 posted on 11/17/2004 1:48:04 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: Michael81Dus

And in case you didn´t know: I supported the war against Iraq and am still doing so.

>>>

No, that's not what I recall and it is news to me...I remember you supported Afghanistan and then you ripped America, Bush, Intelligence and the entire concept of ending Sadam's Iraq, let alone disrupting the Iran-Israel land bridge of Nuclear Muhammadan states with long range delivery systems. So which is it? I'd love nothing more than to find out I've been wrong about you...


41 posted on 11/17/2004 1:49:35 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ApesForEvolution
Just because someone points out factual errors in a pro-war report, such as North's, does not mean they oppose the war or support islamo-fascism. Reports like North's really hurt our cause because they're factually untrue. People who don't know better will quote what he said, then get busted by some lefty for not having their facts straight.

We were right to do what we've done in Iraq, and we shouldn't be weenies about the costs of finishing the job. But at the same time, we shouldn't be relying on bogus facts to support our positions.

42 posted on 11/17/2004 1:56:24 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: XJarhead

I agree with you...

Michael knows what I'm speaking to.


43 posted on 11/17/2004 2:04:25 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: Alouette
What's more, the "embedded" media of WW2 were patriots

Most of the MSM in WWII supported saving Stalin's butt.
Faux patriotism was just the official cover.
44 posted on 11/17/2004 2:16:23 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: ApesForEvolution
If Olly runs for President, I'd have to take a hard look at his political values...I sure like the guy.

He can sure get folks to believe things that aren't true. He should make a good politician.

45 posted on 11/17/2004 7:12:02 AM PST by PAR35
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To: ApesForEvolution; Michael81Dus
Are you saying that when the Government of Adanauer enlisted the good old boys to quell the terrorists they weren't given (like they turned all their weapons in, wink-wink) the weaponry with which to do it?

With your ignorance of history, you could get a job as a speechwriter for North. There was no "government of Adenauer" in 1945-46. During the first part of that period, he was mayor of Cologne, a position from which he was sacked during 1945. When North Rhein was constituted in 1946, he was the head of a political party and was in the state legislature. North Rhein became North Rhien - Westfalia later that year, and he continuted to hold such a post. See my posts above for more timelines and links.

46 posted on 11/17/2004 7:21:24 AM PST by PAR35
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To: ApesForEvolution; OESY; americanbychoice; An.American.Expatriate; longjack

Ok, I recall that it was you having me reproached with that some months ago. But even then I told you, that this wasn´t me. Others might confirm that I have been advocating the toppling-down of Saddam since my very first day here and that I even after we found out that there were no WMD I think that it was the right thing to do. If you want to say so, you can call me a German hawk. ;-)


47 posted on 11/17/2004 7:57:37 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: XJarhead

exactly!


48 posted on 11/17/2004 7:58:58 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus

Michael, I've had conversations with you before, and I know that you've advocated the toppling of Saddam. Maybe we differ on a few of the details, but you've been on the right side all along. Thanks.


49 posted on 11/17/2004 9:06:52 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: XJarhead

BUMP!


50 posted on 11/17/2004 9:54:44 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.)
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