Posted on 11/16/2004 7:36:23 PM PST by AmericanMade1776
Bested by a Republican campaign emphasizing Christian faith, some Democrats are scrambling to shake off their secular image, stepping up efforts to organize the "religious left" and debating changes to how they approach the cultural flashpoints of same-sex marriage and abortion.
Some call the election a warning. "You can't have everybody who goes to church vote Republican; you just can't," Al From, founder of the Democratic Leadership Council, said last week at a forum on the election.
Religious traditionalists including Dr. Richard Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the conservative Southern Baptist Convention, and Jim Wallis of the liberal evangelical group Sojourners say Democratic officials are calling them for advice on reaching conservative Christians. And they and some other theologically orthodox supporters of Mr. Bush say it may not take much for Democrats to make inroads among their constituency, if the party demonstrates a greater friendliness to religious beliefs and even modestly softens its support for abortion rights.
"It would not be hard," said the Rev. Richard John Neuhaus, editor of the journal First Things and a conservative Catholic who has advised Mr. Bush on how to handle the issue of abortion.
But Democrats disagree about how to establish the party's spiritual credentials.
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If you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig. Besides, why would you want to?
Oxymoron...They would have to renounce homosexuals, abortion and lying; not to mention, varying crisis the dem's have with saying such things as "one nation, under God...."...
One does not "get" religion, one receives it.
How about the democrats start seeing the world as it truly is and not keep trying to warp the publics view of the world for political gain. Yeah that might just work. Put America first for a change. Listen to Miller and Lieberman when they warn democrats about the how dangerous a foe we face out there. WAKE UP DEMS! Islamo-facists dont care if your a liberal. Your an infidel and they want you dead as any of us.
If you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.
LOL They must think we're morons if they think we won't know the difference. Sorry RATS..you lost people of faith with your sexualizing of children and promotion of abortion and homosexuals. We're not going to forget it. You've done irreparable harm to this nation, and we're all living with the consequences.
They certainly have their work cut out for them.
Clinton should've supported the partial birth abortion ban, but this all-abortion-all-the-time turns many off, obviously.
I wonder who the Dims are trying to convince.
They already have it...The REV Jackson is one good example!
This idea is highly repulsive and quite frankly, Democrat liberals have already infiltrated several different denominations with their errant theology on homosexuality. John Edward's own minister winked at his supporting partial-birth abortion saying it is only a mere opinion. They already have their nasty claws on the throat of the church and if they can rip out its soul to win votes, they will.
The question is, *what* religion? Aztec sun god worship complete with human sacrifice? Mesopotamian goddess worship? Throwing babies in the fire to Molech?
They tried it in 2000 and 2002. The far left fears religion and they don't understand religion. They think to be religious you have to be a snake handling holy rolling bible thumper that won't take your kid to the doctor. Before the left finds religion, they should stop being Anti-religious. Calling the red states "Jesusland" doesn't help them.
The "Religion" the Democrat Party says it will get is a jail house conversion -- when a con decides to praise God to talk the judge into ordering a lighter sentence. The conversion tends to evaporate once the con is out.
Religion, values or morality is shown by living life with these attributes. The Democrats want to paste these into their next campaign ad, not very convincing!
Anyone who is REALLY a Bible believing Christian could not support the democrat party as it is today. They are for almost everything the Bible speaks against. They know it, I know it. So, they will pretend to believe while at the same time ridiculing those of us who really do.
they have their religions:
hedonism,paganism,druidism,wicca,wahabbism...
As has already been said:
you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.
Wicca?
>BEHOLD!<
Yet another example.
...of even more morphing.
Not believe, just pretend to. That's the typical dishonest democrat way don'tchaknow.
Enough with the Hillary bashing :-)
The DNC already has a religion: socialism.
DEMS are willing to "get" whatever it takes to reclaim the traction they once had. You can't get religion if you don't know your own soul. The DEM party is full of souless, selfish people. They wouldn't know religion if it bowed down in front of them and rolled out the red carpet.
Here's what they'll do -- they'll redefine religion to support their existent beliefs.
They did the same thing with "patriotism". They redefined it to mean those who are willing to trash their county endlessly ("the highest form of patriotism is to criticize your county". It would be like saying the most loving wife is the one who criticizes her husband -- nonstop.
They'll redefine religion so it's a belief that backs gay marriage, works to take away second amendment rights, and is supportive of all liberal positions.
Good thing -- they're obvious to all...
Reverand Al Sharpton is another example.
They just don't get it! Religion and morality are not synonymous words. President Bush won 2500+ counties, Kerry 500, all the counties that contain the large cities in the US. Kerry received 5 million votes from 500 counties, the same counties that give us ethnic congressmen and senators.
Morality is not 50% paying 95% of the taxes, EPA, EEOC, OSHA, The Dept of health, Government regulations, Allowing abortion without parental consent, Gay Marriage, Local regulations etc. and allowing immigrants who don't want our culture only our economic situation. Morality is the ability to distinguish right from wrong, in character and behavior not punishing success.
This does not mean sleeping with hookers dressed up like Catholic Girls.
It's just time to tweak the performance they put on to get more votes. What do the Dems believe anyway, does anyone know?
"Jim Wallis of the liberal evangelical group Sojourners say Democratic officials are calling them for advice on reaching conservative Christians."
Laugh of the day. Asking Jim Wallis about "reaching conservative Christians" is like asking Tay-raza how to reach the common man.
If they get religion, they'll have to abandon the Democrat Party.
they need a clue before religion will do them much good.
Hollywood, Madison Avenue, and Saul Alinsky - "perception is reality".
Even athiest republicans RESPECT religion. The democrats' problem is not that we go to church and they don't; it's that they disrespect and mock religious institutions.
Nuns who care for drunk retarded homeless people are despised by the left. They think only the government should help those people, because churches will 'brainwash' them.
"Get" Religion?
Oh yeah, I'm just going to go running back to supporting the Party now! Hooray! They'll quote scripture, and may even manage to do so in context half the time! Yippee.
Fools.
Christianity is a spiritual conversion, not a political conversion.
Nor do Christians demand someone fake Christianity to receive their vote. They do demand they not be mocked, derided and basically driven from society. We do demand the foundation of our Judeo Christian culture not be whitewashed from history. We do demand the ability to practice our religion freely, and that includes having the right to pray in the oval office without being labeled a fanatic or having our right to pray in schools decided by a court.
No, the only thing these liberals are succeeding at doing is driving us closer to the Republican Party. If anything is worse than actively campaigning to remove all marks of Christianity from our Government and culture, it is practicing an insincere faith in hopes they can turn the Faith block into a sated special interest group useful only in elections.
My God is not Government and my Savior is not the Democratic Party. Democrats sold their soul for power, and in so doing have lost consideration for my vote for at least a generation.
Man, you're really finding the examples of your morphing theory, of the left, aren't ya.
OK, I know, I know..."it's not a theory, it's fact"!
Hmmmmmm...maybe we should call it "Landru's Law" ?
;^D
Democrats will never fully understand Christian/Catholic and other religions, including "closet Christians" and those people who don't go to church but believe in God.
They can't be a democrat and still believe in abortion, gay marriage, and work to further limit religious freedom. THey also won't get anywhere with their name calling - religious zealots, homophobes, rednecks, Wal-Mart shoppers who voted for Bush. We will remember that when 2008 rolls around - I know I will.
I mean, look at the Boy Scouts - they're considered evil!
Democrats want people to think that the religious right has their moral values mixed up and that they don't care about the poor, the sick, the needy - that's where they're wrong. They work and donate their time as Missionaries, build schools in poor countries, donations for fuel funds, they visit hospitals, they put together Christmas packages - I don't even know what all else, but if the Dumbass DumbocRATS think all religious people care about is gay marriage and porno stars becoming role models for kids, they are wrong.
Are you telling that after spending hours in churches giving campaign speeches, the Democrats have yet to obtain any religion? Christianity should not be a religion. It is a way of life. It isn't something that you wear when it is convenient. It must stay with you all the time or you don't have it. The Dems don't understand this and they apparently never will.
"Our platform and the grass-roots strength of the party is pro-choice," said Elizabeth Cavendish, interim president of Naral Pro-Choice America. THE PARTY NEEDS MORE RELIGIOUS LANGUAGE, Ms. Cavendish said, BUT NOT NEW POSITIONS."
Abortion will be the demise of the leftwing 'rats. If they tried to compromise, the NARAL Furies would tear their eyes out.
How exactly does one "get religion"?
The democrats put on their 'principles' like they put on a cheap coat of paint.
That paint smells bad, and is gonna flake, fade, and peel.
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
I almost feel guilty, they're that easy to anticipate.
"OK, I know, I know...'it's not a theory, it's fact'!"
Well it is, and they haven't even begun to get cranked with the reinvention of themselves.
"Hmmmmmm...maybe we should call it 'Landru's Law'"?
Sounds great!!
Maybe even a *TV* series?
...seated right next to Sybil the Soothsayer. {g}
"Can I get me some religion here?"
You are correct...
Won't ever work. Democrats really push the "Big Tent" concept. That will never appeal to conservative evangelicals. The Republican party needs to remember this, in that many "moderates" are crying for a "Big Tent" in the Republican party.
All big tents are good for are circuses. If you make a political party a big tent that is exactly what you get - a circus.
Notice that, as the MSM attempts to explain their losses, they invariably discuss how the country has "moved to the Right". The never mention how the Democrat Party has moved to the far Left. Thus they still don't understand what has been happening.
With their grip on public communication weakening by the day, their old strategies (obfuscation, demagoguery) are no longer working. They are like the proverbial buggy whip manufacturer who never grasped the impact of the automobile.
Plus, in the modern age of mass media marketing, they seem to think that they can just go to the makeup room and put some "religion" makeup on, and then things will be as they always were.
These folks are losers going down the tubes right before our collective eyes. Life is getting better every day.
WoW!! That's great.
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