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Congressmen urge Bush to drop guest-worker plan
The Washington Times ^ | November 17, 2004 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 11/17/2004 8:54:21 AM PST by Ron H.

The chairman of a House International Relations subcommittee yesterday urged the Bush administration to drop its proposed temporary guest-worker program and not "reward Mexican nationals living and working illegally in the United States" with legal status.

"It is our hope that in future discussions with the Mexican government, you will encourage Mexico to do its part to address illegal immigration rather than encourage their citizens to illegally enter the U.S.," said Rep. Elton Gallegly, California Republican, who heads the subcommittee on terrorism, nonproliferation and human rights, in letters to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge.

"Cooperation with our close neighbor Mexico is essential, but we also feel that Mexico must respect our sovereignty and our laws, and ........

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To: usadave
Now you're starting to list those types of jobs that Americans WILL gladly do and have traditionally done over the decades.

C'mon. Like I said, Americans NOWADAYS. Sorry, but the Americans of today are not the hardworking, toiling Americans of yesteryear. No matter how broke someone is, they're not going to work at McDonald's or pick soybeans for $5.75 an hour. That's just how some people are.

62 posted on 11/17/2004 10:51:45 AM PST by BlkConserv
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To: BlkConserv
Remember, Bush's team was assembled late thanks to Gore trying to hijack the election so he really couldn't focus on anything except passing his tax cuts.

That won't wash. He has had four years to assess the situation, realize the threat to national security, and start big-time deportations. 9/11 should have helped drive this imperative home for him.

Bush's sop to the cheap-labor crowd and the Hispanistas should be recognized for what it is, and strenuously opposed by every American.

63 posted on 11/17/2004 10:53:57 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: BlkConserv
No matter how broke someone is, they're not going to work at McDonald's or pick soybeans for $5.75 an hour.

That's a good argument for gutting welfare programs, not rewarding illegal border-jumpers that might include terrorists.

64 posted on 11/17/2004 10:55:39 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport 'em all; let Fox sort 'em out!)
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To: usadave
...at the wages being offered by American employers. I guess us 'lazy' Americans just don't like living with 15 other people in a one bedroom apartment like many Mexican illegal aliens do so that they can survive on what's left of their meager salaries after sending a big chunk of it back home to their families in Mexico.

Start thinking like a capitalist instead of like Willie Green. If you owned a business your primary objective is to make a profit. Ergo, you're going to duck our massive tax laws and regulations and hire illegals under the table.

I'm not saying what the employers are doing is good, but blame the Congresscritters. They're the ones who created the business climate that forced businesses to go underground and hire illegal aliens instead of paying higher wages and health care benefits to American workers.

65 posted on 11/17/2004 10:57:30 AM PST by BlkConserv
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To: BlkConserv
Illegal immigration is a national security issue, not an economic one.

I don't care how hard illegal aliens work, I don't care about the fact that they'll do the jobs (and committ the crimes) that Americans won't do. THEY'RE HERE ILLEGALLLY! WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND, BRO?

66 posted on 11/17/2004 11:00:20 AM PST by No-Compromise Conservative
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Bush's sop to the cheap-labor crowd and the Hispanistas should be recognized for what it is, and strenuously opposed by every American.

Bush's plan is not an amnesty. Please read it before condemning it and urge Tancredo to work with the President. The bottom line is that they're already here.

67 posted on 11/17/2004 11:11:42 AM PST by BlkConserv
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To: No-Compromise Conservative

What part of "They've been here for years way before Bush ever set foot in the Oval Office" don't YOU understand?


68 posted on 11/17/2004 11:12:17 AM PST by BlkConserv
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To: Ron H.
Terrorists might be smuggled into US, says Rumsfeld

The United States is concerned that smuggling routes traditionally used to move illegal aliens into the country “could be used just as easily for terrorists,” US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says.

Speaking ahead of a meeting of defense ministers from North and Latin America, Rumsfeld cautioned that nations in the region must work even harder to improve security ties, including control over jungle and mountain borders and ungoverned areas.

“There is no question that there are terrorist organizations that are functioning in the United States, in North America and in South America and in Central America,”he said, emphasizing violent narcotics cartels, smuggling of people, criminal gangs and hostage-taking for money.

“And from our standpoint, obviously, the risk that some of these human smuggling routes into our country from this hemisphere could be used just as easily for terrorists.”

Rumsfeld did not mention specific routes used to smuggle people into the United States illegally, although some are known to move across the Mexican border and others in small boats and cargo ships.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_17-11-2004_pg4_2

Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld is not in the habit a making idle statements.

Yet, ..... Did not the moronic malfeasant Chief of the U.S. Border Patrol - David Aguilar - just recently tell us that the U.S./Mexico Border was safe and secure?

And did not Tucson Border Patrol Chief Smirkingly Deny Report or Terrorists crossing the border from Mexico into the U.S. in the Tucson Sector?

And did not Tom Ridge state that all was in order: see article below "No Security Necessary on Border of Homeland"

(article)

Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld is not in the habit a making idle statements.

69 posted on 11/17/2004 11:12:37 AM PST by yoe
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To: radicalamericannationalist

"What you mean is jobs that Americans won't do for Third World wages. By flooding our labor market with the world's economic refugees, we're simply bidding our standard of living down"

Globalization is the other side to your statement. We now also have companies leaving the US for cheaper labor and better tax relief. GM is building a few engines in China now. Tommy Hilfiger (American Flag and all- Headquartered in Hong Kong?


70 posted on 11/17/2004 11:30:29 AM PST by Independentamerican (Independent Junior at the University of MD)
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To: Ron H.
There needs to be a plan!
71 posted on 11/17/2004 11:34:17 AM PST by unspun (unspun.info | Did U work your precinct, churchmembers, etc. for good votes?)
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To: newgeezer

What, you'd have to pay $12/hour to find someone to shovel your pig sh*t in 110 degree heat, and you think that's too much? Then, by all means, do it yourself.


Globalization has changed all of that. Look at Walmart, if you have an item that you would like them to sell there is no negotiation. They tell you what you have to sell if for which then makes you go back to your manufacturer and pray that the item can be made at a reduced amount. Either way we are screwed. Look at all the mom and pop stores going out of business. They cannot compete with the cheap labor that Walmart uses and that gives Walmart unbelievable pricing power.


72 posted on 11/17/2004 11:35:16 AM PST by Independentamerican (Independent Junior at the University of MD)
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To: BlkConserv

>>after these jobs have been posted for 60 days FOR Americans but haven't been filled<<

Yeah, at $5.25 and hour. If you pay them, Americans will do manual labor. In the 1960s, a meatpacker could earn over $20 and hour. Not in 1990s, inflation-adjusted dollars, but in 1960s money! Today, they get about $6 and hour. Why? Immigrant laborers.

Five years ago, my brother was making $25-$75 an hour in construction in the northeast. He moved to the southwest and found out that he can get about $6 to $7. And plenty of illegals work for far, far less than minimum.

The choice is simple: Paying 99 cents for a fast-food burger, instead of 79 cents, or face a bankrupted society run by socialists with no defense against terrorism, and no sense of nationhood.


73 posted on 11/17/2004 11:38:32 AM PST by dangus
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Asa HITCHINSON.
I believe he was referring to Sen. HUTCHISON of Texas, maybe? But I doubt any Texan statewide office-holder is very good on immigration, either.


74 posted on 11/17/2004 11:41:58 AM PST by dangus
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Asa HUTCHINSON.
I believe he was referring to Sen. HUTCHISON of Texas, maybe? But I doubt any Texan statewide office-holder is very good on immigration, either.

Now I make a type. *sigh*


75 posted on 11/17/2004 11:42:22 AM PST by dangus
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To: No-Compromise Conservative

Illegal immigration is a national security issue, not an economic one.

WHAT !!! If that were the case with our presidents war on terror why do we still have a such a huge problem ....HINT HINT it benefits businesses who lobby the government. Illegal immigration is a national security issue but it is a bigger economic issue. If I ran a company the bottom line would be avoiding taxes and turn profits. Capitalism baby...


76 posted on 11/17/2004 11:55:31 AM PST by Independentamerican (Independent Junior at the University of MD)
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To: dangus

"Five years ago, my brother was making $25-$75 an hour in construction in the northeast. He moved to the southwest and found out that he can get about $6 to $7. And plenty of illegals work for far, far less than minimum."

On top of what you just mentioned taxes back in those days were far less than what they are today. Can you imagine the tax increase we are going to face once baby boomers start retiring. With a huge reduction in America as far as the tax base will become either our taxes will have to increase dramatically or we need a heck of alot more people to replace them.


77 posted on 11/17/2004 11:59:24 AM PST by Independentamerican (Independent Junior at the University of MD)
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To: Ron H.

Some GOOD illegal alien news ! Thanks !


78 posted on 11/17/2004 12:08:47 PM PST by jimt
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To: BlkConserv

That is screwed up.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe one of the things that makes this country so great is that we don't have a large number people who will break any law just to make a quick buck?

But no, your idea of capitalism appears to be what the executives of Enron, Global Crossing and others think that it is. A quick buck, damn the future consequences.

That is no way to run a business, at least not a business you expect to keep.


79 posted on 11/17/2004 12:23:35 PM PST by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: BlkConserv

And since when has law enforement started to detain and deport illegals? It isn't happening now so why expect it to happen in the future?


80 posted on 11/17/2004 12:38:30 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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