Skip to comments.Congressmen urge Bush to drop guest-worker plan
Posted on 11/17/2004 8:54:21 AM PST by Ron H.
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We won't have to. They'll apprehend themselves because they'll be registered with the federal government.
Will they take their entire families with them? It won't happen.
Most illegal aliens didn't have families to begin with when they came here. They came here on their own and met up with friends or other illegals.
The only real solution is to dismantle the welfare state and extended medical care for illegal aliens
Uh, Bush's plan does that. Guest-workers would pay for their own services.
and to heavily fine the employers who hire them. That's the ONLY way they will start to go home.
Bush's plan requires employers to post jobs only if they cannot be filled by Americans. Fining employers is counter-productive and will only make things worse.
Yes, I concede that Tancredo's plan is slightly better than Bush's. But bloviating and denouncing the President's plan as an "amnesty" is going to get Tancredo nowhere. He should work with the President, instead of against him. And Tom Daschle will tell you what happens when you work against the President.
Both plans contain a guest-worker proposal. You can shout and scream until the cows come home and you're blue in the face but any immigration reform has to include a guest-worker plan.
Well, we don't know where they are, remember? They're completely anonymous. Most illegals caught at the border are returned, however.
Millions of foreign visitors who came to the United States on legal visas, and who had to register with our government to get those visas, are now still in the United States after their visas have expired, and our government isn't doing much to try to apprehend them (if they even know where they are because many of these people have moved or are using aliases to avoid getting caught). Anyway, law enforcement knows where many illegal aliens can be found right now (standing on street corners in groups of 25-50 looking for work in most of our large cities) and yet these illegal aliens aren't being rounded up and deported.
BINGO. All this "jobs that Americans won't do" is a bunch of BS. There is NO task that cannot or will not be done by some American. It's simply a matter of paying someone enough to do it.
What, you'd have to pay $12/hour to find someone to shovel your pig sh*t in 110 degree heat, and you think that's too much? Then, by all means, do it yourself.
"How can they when they've been registered with the government?"
How do you suppose anyone is going to get them registered. A guest worker program or amnesty has never stopped the invasion before. 1/3 of our prisons are filled with criminal illegals. Criminals don't register....just like they don't register guns.
DOBBS: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is warning of the threat of terrorists entering this country through the same routes as those used by illegal aliens. Secretary Rumsfeld, traveling in South America, warned that enemies look for weaknesses and take advantage of them.
DONALD RUMSFELD: The risk is that some of these human-smuggling routes into our country from this hemisphere could be used just as easily for terrorists. ~snip~
Do you think people like the guy below will register??
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Esparza pleads guilty to killing nun
KLAMATH FALLS (AP) - Maximiliano Silerio Esparza pleaded guilty Tuesday to charges that he raped two nuns and killed one of them as they walked and prayed on a bike path last September.
Esparza, 33, was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of Sister Helen Lynn Chaska, 53. He got another 10 years for the attempted murder of the surviving nun, and 15 years for raping the women.
In return for his guilty plea, Esparza avoided a possible death sentence.
In a statement, Edwin Caleb, the Klamath County district attorney, said he offered the plea for several reasons, including the surviving nun's religious convictions. Caleb said he didn't want to force the nun to testify.
"The most obvious reason is the certainty that this monster will be in jail for the rest of his life and never get the opportunity to offend again," he said.
Police say Esparza rode a train from Portland to Klamath Falls about a week before the attack. He visited a strip bar and then attacked the nuns early on a Sunday morning as they prayed on the downtown bike path.
Esparza head-butted one of the nuns, then raped them both while controlling them with the rosary beads around their necks, police said.
Chaska - who went by the name Sister Helena Maria - was strangled by her own beads, according to an autopsy. She was a nun with the Bellevue, Wash., Immaculate Heart of Mary, a small order unaffiliated with the Roman Catholic Church.
Several months before the attack, Esparza was detained and let go by U.S. Border Patrol agents in New Mexico even though he had spent three years in California prisons and had once been deported.
The agents did turn up an old drug charge in Oregon, but Multnomah County passed on extraditing him. The warrant was apparently the only evidence of Esparza's criminal past that surfaced during the checks.
Once Oregon declined to extradite, Esparza was treated like any other undocumented Mexican and was dropped off at the border.
Aprehended?! You are kidding us aren't you? Heck, our government is [un]able (or more like unwilling) to locate only 400,000 illegal alien absconders ordered deported since before 9/11? That is the same government your referring to isn't it? You really should lay off that funny smelling weed already don't you know.
Hispanic workers also provide housekeeping in hotels, work in meat-packing facilities, clean offices after-hours, and do construction jobs.
"Prosecution of businesses employing illegals has also decreased."
According to a recent Time Magazine report prosecution has decrased by 90% since 1991. There are citizens groups forming to confront these business about this.
Mary Beth Sheridan
Washington Post Staff Writer
The Washington Post
INS Seeks Law Enforcement Aid in Crackdown; Move Targets 300,000 Foreign Nationals Living in U.S. Despite Deportation Orders
Byline: Mary Beth Sheridan Washington Post Staff Writer
Section: A Section
U.S. immigration authorities announced yesterday that they have enlisted the help of law enforcement agencies in a crackdown on more than 300,000 foreign nationals who have remained in the country illegally after they were ordered deported. ________________________
these guest workers are not leaving, and the government will not remove them.
Pandering to Hispanics?
If you accept that Bush is shamelessly pandering to that group, it 'splains a lot about his executive branch and judicial appointments.
You know how most Americans are nowadays. Even if they need a job badly they'll still scowl and say they're not doing THAT job. Most of these positions have been filled by Hispanic workers for years, even ones who came here legally in the 60s and 70s but have now moved up the economic ladder. So they left these positions and now they've been vacant and are being filled by illegals, since Americans won't do 'em.
Now you're starting to list those types of jobs that Americans WILL gladly do and have traditionally done over the decades.
As in ASA Hutchison??? I think ol' Asa actally likes open borders. As an undersecretary in Homeland Security, he has said that we should just ignore immigration law...
They won't unless the U.S. makes it untenable, unattractive economically and socially unacceptable. At the moment all of those are the opposite.
Remember, Bush's team was assembled late thanks to Gore trying to hijack the election so he really couldn't focus on anything except passing his tax cuts.
...at the wages being offered by American employers. I guess us 'lazy' Americans just don't like living with 15 other people in a one bedroom apartment like many Mexican illegal aliens do so that they can survive on what's left of their meager salaries after sending a big chunk of it back home to their families in Mexico.
If these jobs were offered at higher wages, there would be Americans willing to do them. However, when you have all these illegals willing to work for lower pay, why offer the jobs at pay rates attractive to Americans?
I havent checked this out yet, but it may be worth it. Ive caught this program on late night radio several times, The Mark Edwards Show - Wake up America on KDWN, Las Vegas. Jim Gilcrest with a website, www.minutemanproject.com is organizing people to go to the So. border in April. They plan on shining spot lights and having cameras to document the nightly crossings. They dont sound like racist whackos and they insist on no violence,firearms, etc., but we need to check them out further.
Another caller was talking about the Identity Theft Penalty Enhancement Act, recentlly passed. I'm going to look it up, but the caller said it has provisions to punish employers who knowingly hire illegals with illegal identification. Any lawyers out there have an opinion?
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