Skip to comments.MSNBC: Santorum Stabs Us In The Back...AGAIN! Rick "Rounding Up" Judiciary Chair Votes For Specter!
Posted on 11/17/2004 10:45:21 AM PST by GeneralHavoc
First he single-handedly cost Toomey the race, and now this!
If this report is correct, Rick Santorum has a LOT of explaining to do...
Although a staunch foe of abortion and same-sex marriage, Santorum helped Specter win re-election this year and according to Specter, has been rounding up support for him as Judiciary chairman.
"Sen. Santorum has been enormously helpful," said Specter Tuesday. "He's gone above and beyond the call of duty. My number one priority in the next two years is to reelect Sen. Santorum."
For conservative voters who may dominate in the 2008 GOP primaries, one doubts that this would really be an appealing campaign slogan: "Rick Santorum: The man who brought you Arlen Specter."
Bummer. At least he is loyal.
Thanks Rick. You sold us out.
I'm the biggest Spector hater here, I know all about his history.
I have thought it over, and I have put my faith in Arlen Spector to do the right thing, re: let Bush's nominees come to vote.
Spector will do the right thing if he has the chair.
(This coming from someone who would spit on Spector if I ever met him, people who know me on here know this!)
Ditto for the slogan: "Rick Santorum: The man ENDORSED by Arlen Specter."
Would it be irrational to at least lay out the pros and cons of all this? Is there NO chance that Santorum is making a calculated move in the pursuit of goals we share? The knee jerk is to say he's betrayed us, but are we sure of that?
Those knives in the back really smarts, right Trent Lott, Orrin Hatch and Rick Santorum? You'll be needing the conservatives once again in just awhile. Remember that turkeys!
I am really a big Rick Santorum fan. When I worked on Capital Hill he was such a nice and passionate guy, and always kind to me. I am a little dissapointed by this, but maybe Specter will step up and let the monkey business slide.
Well, Arlen, the conservatives might have another agenda in '06, after this double-cross by Santorum. If I were having to beg for my job, I'd have the sense to keep my mouth shut. I'm beginning to suspect Hellery let Arlen have a copy of someone's FBI files in order to help another leftist in his hour of need.
Our job is to keep the heat on him, and raise expectations if necessary.
Look at it this way: a more conservative chair would operate under a constant, daily assault from the MSM, thus slowing the pace of confirmations. Specter, by contrast, will provide an effective foil for Bush and his nominees.
Santorum is following the above motto. A neutered Specter is better than a jumping Specter.
Politics requires a strong stomach, since in order to accomplish anything, honest politicians must deal with snakes.
And make no mistake. Specter is a snake temporarily defanged. He'll wait for his change to bite us back later.
So, yes, I would have preferred no Specter at all, but I also understand Santorum's dilemma.
My view is that Santorum figures he has to move to the left to be reelected in Pennsylvania, and he has begun that process by backing Specter. And thus another RINO is born.
Or, if he gets brutally knocked off, he has a new shiny axe to grind on every other senate vote.
Not saying it's good, but it's politics.
Specter must have something on Santorum. Wonder what it could be.
What is happening here, is that the Senate is closing ranks in the face of special interest interference. They, the Senators believe that it would be perceived badly if they cave.
It was written on the wall in bold marker before this began and is playing out as I suspected.
All in all, Specter has been warned, and in politics a wounded politician is not a good thing, but I have faith that they can keep him in line.
Reality bites, but this mess must come to a conclusion where everyone feels like they won. That is politics.
So it is written.
Please. Specter has nothing on Rick. Now that Specter has made his deal to support the President, Rick is doing what he should be doing.
We are a big tent. We accomplish nothing in the minority.
And the President will get his district, appellate and Supreme Court justices with Arlen Specter as judiciary chair. Ain't life ironic and politics interesting.
If Spectre tries blocking ANY Bush judge, I'll get the torches if someone else will provide the pitchforks!
Oh,please give us a break. I was as worried as anybody after the post-election statement Specter made. But since then he's been neutered as an opponent of any conservative judges. Every word he utters in hearings will be analyzed to the nth degree for the slightest back-tracking on his pledge to move every nominee to the floor for a vote.
If we're going to be a majority, governing party we can't be terrified of anyone who may hold differing opinions on specific issues as long as they stick to a basic level of fairness towards the president's nominees.
That's the mistake the Rats have made demanding an ideological purity that's ended up chasing the moderate/conservatives like Zell Miller and others from their ranks. If we do the same we'll suffer the same fate.
I wouldn't worry about Specter anymore.
He's been forced back on his heels to make concessons.
While it is apparent Specter will get the chair, the grassroots movement accomplished its goals.
Now we have the best of both worlds.
Specter will not be an obstacle to Bush's appointments, but he will give a "moderate" face to the proceedings. When Bush's appointments get through Specter, the Democrats will have no basis to block them. They won't be able to call them "extremists" who got a rubber stamp from a compliant conservative panel.
After giving it much thought, I have come to the conclusion that Specter chairing the judicial committee will be for the best. Thanks to the efforts of conservatives, and the defense of Specter by his senate collegues, Specter will be sure to be a team player, knowing that he is in debted to his fellow Republicans for giving him the chance. In the end, confirmation will actually be quicker and easier. With the "maverick" Specter's approval, the Democrats will be defanged.
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Of course, one would have to actually believe what Spectre is saying in order to believe he is helping.
I buy that. If Specter was denied the chairmanship then he may opt for payback. This way, nonpublic promises will bridle him. He can always be removed if he POs hsi fellow GOPers.
Mt friend, I agree with you. While I'm NOT happy, I do believe that Santorum merits the benefits of our collective doubts. Yes, we can indded rationalize this, sayig that Specter has boxed himself in, and thus, having Arlen as point person may give some Dems "cover" to vote for the president's nominees.<P. One point to rememebr.. I assime that the nomination for the new AH will be the first on the committe calendar..How he does with THAT one will be important..
Well, golly, surprize, surprize, surpriZe!
If they give specter the chair and he so much as looks at any of the nominees sideways they should remove him.
If they don't and he derails a conservative appointment then the GOP majority will end in 2006.
Voting for pro-abortion Specter is no different than voting for pro-abortion Kerry, in fact it's worse - Specter could do more damage to pro-life.
Yet one more piece of proof that Washington politicians really operate as a separate and distinct class from the rest of us, when push comes to shove.
I remember back in Feb. 2000, GWB was being bashed for betraying the conservatives that had put him in office. Here we go again!
Don't take it out on Santorum. That's called eating your own.
I became a big fan of Rick Santorum this last year. I just have to accept that he and Frist and others have decided that it would be better to put Specter at chairman than fight the crap they would face from MSM.
There was a press conference this morning and ALL the media asked about was Specter and the press conference was not about that. Then, after it was over, the media surrounded Santorum and kept asking him over and over questions he couldn't answer. He was getting so frustrated and finally just had to walk off. When the media smell blood, they just won't let go.
Since I make it a priority to watch C-span, I will be monitoring what they LET US SEE. Unfortunately, a lot that goes on is behind closed doors.
I think we all just need to hope Santorum knows what he is doing and wait and watch Specter.
I'm curious, why do you believe this? I only ask because you seem to hate Specter, so for you to say that, seems like you know something.
Oh,please give us a break. I was as worried as anybody after the post-election statement Specter made. But since then he's been neutered as an opponent of any conservative judges. Every word he utters in hearings will be analyzed to the nth degree for the slightest back-tracking on his pledge to move every nominee to the floor for a vote. "
True. This is a 'win by losing' moment, where the cage is rattled enough to serve notice.
The downside is that Specter is untrustworthy and wrong on far more than just judges... we need a solid GOP majority in the committee to get good tort reform legislation, etc.
That, and two bucks will get you a cuppa coffee.
I agree with you. I will defer my judgement at the moment. Santorum will do the right thing.
Perhaps Specter cares more about the Chairmanship than he does the shape of the judiciary???
Why do you believe this? Specter will not run for relection and he has an agenda. So why would he possibly do the right thing now when he hasn't before? I would love to believe what you're saying, but I see no logical reason to. Unfortunately.
"What is happening here, is that the Senate is closing ranks in the face of special interest interference. They, the Senators believe that it would be perceived badly if they cave."
I agree totally with you.
Unfortunately, as was proven in the Clinton impeachment, the Republican House members have all the backbone and cojones. The Senate Repubs, for the most part, are a bunch of spineless eunuchs.
Not that I expected the Vote Whores to do what we elected them for anyway. This on top of them wanting to raise the Debt. ceiling tells me all I need to know about most of the idiots in power.
An interesting point. Wouldn't put it past the shmuck to be so child-like. I find it difficult to trust him though when right after the elections, I mean right after, he came out and virtually said that there could be some problems with Bush's nominations. I mean, Bush campaigned hard for him, and this is how he repays him.
I find it hard to trust a man who would so quickly stab the back of one of his allies. Along those lines, if I were Rick Santorum, I wouldn't really be counting on Arlen's support when it comes time for reelection, if even the slightest, scandalous news is attached to me in the intervening time.
My '08 ticket was Bush/Santorum. Who's left?
I think you and Josh are on to something -- Santorum will not sell conservatives out. You can bet he has extracted a pretty hefty price from Specter in order to become Chairman. I know Inhofe stated that if Specter crosses the line, the votes are there to oust him, and he will lead the charge.
Bet the Bush nominees sail through the Senate with everyone watching Specter -- he either gets on board with the Bush agenda or gets out of the way. Believe he decided that getting with the agenda was a better option.
Like Josh, I don't like Specter either.
I am starting to like Hagel. Maybe Sanford?
Santorum not sell out conservatives?
Pat Toomey anyone?
That man lost to Specter BECAUSE of Santorum!
My guess too.