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Presidential Election Review (The Point)
News Central ^ | 11/16/2004 | Mark Hyman

Posted on 11/17/2004 4:49:55 PM PST by Angry Republican

Election Day was two weeks ago and no presidential candidate in history had received as many votes as did George W. Bush. More than 59 million voters sent the Texan back to Washington for a second term.

The finger-pointing and second-guessing for John Kerry's loss has been going around Democratic circles for 13 days now. Everyone and everything has been blamed for his defeat.

While John Kerry's campaign may be faulted for committing costly errors, one must not look past the fact that Kerry was a weak candidate. His support hit a record low for the percentage of people who were supporting him, not because he was John Kerry, but precisely because he wasn't George Bush.

In early 2003, I spoke with a senior Bush-Cheney campaign official and asked him who he thought would be the most difficult candidate for Bush to defeat. Without hesitation he stated, "Dick Gephardt." He said Gephardt had the credentials, the experience, was a tireless worker for the causes he supported, and he would get votes in red state America.

And who would be the best candidate for Bush to defeat? After joking about Howard Dean who was a virtual unknown at that time, he said, "John Kerry." Why? "Because," he said, "John Kerry is [arrogant] and you can't hide that from the American people. They'll see right through him." He added that there were very few principles on which Kerry would take a stand.

Post election analysis and exit polling data - however accurate that may be suggest that Gephardt may have been a more competitive presidential candidate. Considering the comments of early 2003, it is possible that if he were the Democratic nominee, Dick Gephardt would be planning his White House transition.

And that's the Point.

I'm Mark Hyman.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; democrats; gephardt; skerry
Interesting that the Bush-Cheney HQ thought that sKerry would have been the worst choice by the 'Rats before he became their nominee.
1 posted on 11/17/2004 4:49:55 PM PST by Angry Republican
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To: Angry Republican
it is possible that if he were the Democratic nominee, Dick Gephardt would be planning his White House transition.

I disagree with this. While Dick Gephardt may have made it a real campaign, one actually about issues and competing visions for the future, he still would not have been able to beat the 60,000,000 high water mark set by President Bush.
2 posted on 11/17/2004 4:57:43 PM PST by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Angry Republican

I tell people the election was over when they chose Kerry as their candidate.

How many million Democrats are veterans? Probably half of them voted Bush or stayed home. For any other candidate they would have voted party line. But Kerry was guaranteed to alienate a high percentage of veterans, including Dem veterans. In an election that was settled by 3 1/2 million votes, that was fatal.


3 posted on 11/17/2004 5:01:06 PM PST by marron
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To: Angry Republican
Remember how heard the Bush people worked to make that happen? I do.
4 posted on 11/17/2004 5:04:04 PM PST by BellStar (Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice Clarence Thomas)
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To: counterpunch
because he wasn't George Bush.

Does anybody else here see the irony in this?

5 posted on 11/17/2004 5:07:41 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin
I see a great many ironies in the whole thing.
I'm just not sure which one you are talking about.
6 posted on 11/17/2004 5:13:42 PM PST by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: Howlin
Does anybody else here see the irony in this?

I do ... and, it's sweet ;-)

7 posted on 11/17/2004 5:18:08 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: counterpunch
60,000,000

That should be SIXTY-ONE MILLION.
8 posted on 11/17/2004 5:23:37 PM PST by pyx (RULE #1 The LEFT lies. RULE #2 See RULE #1)
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To: pyx

Yeah, I was thinking that when I saw the article saying "more than 59 million." I just rounded it off nice and even. It is as of the latest numbers a few hundred thousand shy of 61 million, which is why I made it easy by rounding.


9 posted on 11/17/2004 5:30:42 PM PST by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: pyx

As of wednesday:

Bush 286 31 51% 60,605,371
Kerry 252 20 48% 57,284,871
99% Precincts Reporting - Wed Nov 17, 8:29 PM ET


Its a good thing...:-)


10 posted on 11/17/2004 5:40:04 PM PST by Khurkris (That sound you hear coming from over the horizon...thats me laughing.)
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To: marron
I tell people the election was over when they chose Kerry as their candidate.

I asked my supervisor, a Bush basher, if he truly thought sKerry would win. He said no.

11 posted on 11/17/2004 6:01:00 PM PST by Angry Republican (yvan eht nioj!)
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To: counterpunch

A Gephardt/ Lieberman ticket would have been best for the 'Rats. However, for God only knows what reason, they chose sKerry.


12 posted on 11/17/2004 6:02:55 PM PST by Angry Republican (yvan eht nioj!)
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To: counterpunch
You see, he lost

because he wasn't George Bush

while he ran thinking he'd be elected because he WASN'T George Bush.

13 posted on 11/17/2004 7:16:15 PM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: Howlin

Ok, yes.
That's what I suspected you meant -- Kerry lost because he wasn't George Bush.
But there are plenty of other ironic things, and one can never know what another is thinking unless they are specific.


14 posted on 11/18/2004 3:31:39 AM PST by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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