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Getting Screwed by the GOP on a Running Basis
11/17/04 | Henchman

Posted on 11/17/2004 8:04:29 PM PST by Henchman

VANITY
Well today it looks like the GOP will back SPECTER for Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Specter is to publicly announce (see related threads on FR) that he will not block a nomination based ona proposed Judge's stanc on abortion. No mention of Specter backing strict Constitutional Constructionists, not activists. IMHO, Specter will find another reason to Bork a proposed judge.

Tom DeLay was given a pass by the GOP, today. (Check the news for specifics)

The GOP is also in the process of knocking out the requirement to label foreign grown fruits, etc., as to country of origin. It is believed Americans will favor home grown fruits and vegies. Therefor, the GOP is screwing the American Public and American Farmers.

In view of the GOP actions, we need to document the GOP actions. We need to wake them up and to do what is right and in accord with the American values on which they rode to victory. (NO I do not like the DEMS; I will quit this when the GOP wakes up)


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Please list all the violations of trust. We will stop when the GOP BORKs Specter and does what is right on all issues. Hold politicians to high ethics and standards others are held to; and work to improve the life of Americans, not foreign workers.
1 posted on 11/17/2004 8:04:30 PM PST by Henchman
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To: Henchman

Pat Buchanan is right, an ideological civil war is shaping up in the GOP. The battle lines are being drawn now.


2 posted on 11/17/2004 8:06:27 PM PST by Commander8 (Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16)
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To: Henchman

What's your problem with Tom Delay, bub? He's not in trouble. He hasn't been indicted for anything, nor even charged with anything.


3 posted on 11/17/2004 8:06:42 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: Henchman

4 posted on 11/17/2004 8:06:47 PM PST by PhotoFixer3
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To: Henchman; nutmeg; MistyCA; StarFan; Ladysmith

PING


5 posted on 11/17/2004 8:06:58 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: Commander8

Buchanan is not in the GOP. He left the party in 2000. Nobody gives a rat's ass what he says.


6 posted on 11/17/2004 8:07:17 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: sinkspur

No he hasn't been indicted, but why change the rules for him?


7 posted on 11/17/2004 8:07:43 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: PhotoFixer3

Delivered by an A$$hole.


8 posted on 11/17/2004 8:08:14 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: Henchman
No he hasn't been indicted, but why change the rules for him?

Why not?

9 posted on 11/17/2004 8:08:34 PM PST by sinkspur ("It is a great day to be alive. I appreciate your gratitude." God Himself.)
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To: Henchman
GOP and conservatism are not synonymous. Don't expect them to carry out conservative ideals. These guys live to be reelected.
10 posted on 11/17/2004 8:08:50 PM PST by Read2Know
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To: PhotoFixer3

LOL! What's that ugly thing attached beneath it?


11 posted on 11/17/2004 8:08:53 PM PST by Brett66 (W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1 W1)
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To: sinkspur

Why not, that is as bright as saying why have rules?


12 posted on 11/17/2004 8:10:15 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: Henchman

It's probably better to have Specter inside the tent pi$$ing out than outside pi$$ing in -- provided he swears fealty to Bush on the nominees.


13 posted on 11/17/2004 8:10:30 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Henchman

I also am infuriated at their increasing the DEBT ceiling!

The RNC had best tread very carefully....


14 posted on 11/17/2004 8:11:33 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: Henchman
"No he hasn't been indicted, but why change the rules for him?"

In this case the Democrats are playing a dirty trick and DeLay does need to be protected.

15 posted on 11/17/2004 8:11:46 PM PST by Read2Know
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To: Brett66

Nice lookin' turd... ;)


16 posted on 11/17/2004 8:11:47 PM PST by PhotoFixer3
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To: Read2Know

I agree, but as you can see some GOP stuges are already here. Perhaps we can push the conservative agenda!


17 posted on 11/17/2004 8:11:53 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: PhotoFixer3

LOL!


18 posted on 11/17/2004 8:13:41 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Henchman

Frankly, I don't buy tomatoes imported from Mexico, if I know where they come from. I don't like being fed foods from countries that use less than acceptable agricultural methods. You folks want to eat veggies grown in human fecal waste, harvested by workers immune to diseases that we are not immune to and treating the produce with less than acceptable handling techniques? I don't. I spit on the GOP move to take away some of my ability to make informed decisions regarding my foods. Anyone remember the recent baterial illness outbreaks due to imported foods? You won't be able to deal with future ones by switching sources because you won't know one from another! Nanny state will have you at their mercy.


19 posted on 11/17/2004 8:14:09 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Henchman
I think the biggest problem is that "some people" want everything to be exactly as they would choose. It doesn't work that way and we have to do the best we can with what we have.

I heard Tony Snow say that the conservative senators have Specter right where they want him and he (Specter) is backed against the wall now if he is the chairman.

According to Snow, Arlen knows he can quickly become yesterday's news if he doesn't toe the line that has been quietly and invisibly drawn and will indeed be replaced.

Therefore, Snow believes that conservatives may get a very cooperative Specter if we get him at all.

Let's give it a chance before we jump over the cliff.

20 posted on 11/17/2004 8:14:38 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis (FR = A pajama party 24/7)
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To: Henchman; sinkspur
No he hasn't been indicted, but why change the rules for him?

Let me take a run at that one. Ronnie Earl the DA of Travis County, and a Democrat, has jurisdiction over all statewide officials and congressmen in Texas. He has for years sought to indict Republicans on trumped up charges, including Senator Hutchison, where when he got her to court he declined to prosecute.

He is after DeLay and we don't need to lose Tom's leadership because of a CROOKED DEMOCRAT in Austin, Texas.

21 posted on 11/17/2004 8:15:41 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (May God Bless the President)
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To: Henchman
"Perhaps we can push the conservative agenda!"

We must push the conservative agenda or we'll end up with a GOP that resembles the Canadian Conservative Party.

22 posted on 11/17/2004 8:15:58 PM PST by Read2Know
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To: Henchman

Why change the rules for him? Because a rogue Democrat prosecutor in Texas is trying to bring a false case against Delay specifically in order to trigger this rule.

Rules that make you vulnerable to your enemies need to be reconsidered.

As for Specter, it's not a done deal yet. Let's hope it's never a done deal, because it could cause big trouble for Bush, and that would be a pity with everything else going so well.


23 posted on 11/17/2004 8:16:40 PM PST by Cicero (Nil illegitemus carborundum est)
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To: Henchman

I yield to no one when it comes to strict standards of conduct and accountability, regardless of party, but automatic bouncing over an indictment, which is a mere charge, when circumstances might suggest a partisan witch-hunt (and Texas seems to have had a history of that kind of thing; one perfervid prosecutor nutter in Austin went after Kay Baily Hutchinson), where it is reasonable to assume there will be no conviction, strikes me as blunderbuss approach. Something more tailored to the specific facts seems more appropriate. Perhaps a secret ballot of the party membership about what to do might be the ticket. Of course, if there is a conviction, then the guy should be bounced.


24 posted on 11/17/2004 8:17:02 PM PST by Torie
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To: Henchman; snopercod; joanie-f
1994 de ja vu all over again; same Senators who wimped out, then.

Gutless, spineless, can't stand the heat of leadership.

25 posted on 11/17/2004 8:21:46 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Cicero
"Why change the rules for him? Because a rogue Democrat prosecutor in Texas is trying to bring a false case against Delay specifically in order to trigger this rule."

This more than just about one rule change. This is about the ongoing campaign by the Democratic left to destroy anyone who disagrees with their twisted, socialist view of the world.

Look at the year of vicious slurs against President Bush we have just witnessed.

26 posted on 11/17/2004 8:23:43 PM PST by Read2Know
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
In reading the replies, it seems that there is a positive sense on two items

- DeLay needs to be protected from a run-a-muck democRAT;

The Specter deal is not as bleak as it may seem. BUT THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN, he is a RINO! Personally, I want a judge to have a traditionalist, strict constitutional interpretation of matters and not be an activist other than to correct prior abominations (well perhaps pack the 9th Circus)

The fruit and vegetable aisle still needs labeling!

A sense that there is a need to return to fiscal responsibility is also coming up. Reagan promised and delivered an "honest dollar." Lookimg at the EURO, we have a big problem here. Any ideas on what is being done?

27 posted on 11/17/2004 8:30:09 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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BUT THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN, he is a RINO!

Very true. What Snow explained sounded as if it made sense and he does know how Washington works.

We have to keep our voices heard and hope for the best.

28 posted on 11/17/2004 8:34:26 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis (FR = A pajama party 24/7)
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1) I am in favor of removing labels. If people want to know where their fruit comes from, ASK YOUR STORE CLERKS. It served us well for a few hundred years. Americans by large don't give a damn where their fruit and veggies come from so long as they are safe and cheap. I know this from experience.

2) If Delay wasn't the target of an out of control political vendetta, I might side with you. As he is, I endorse the decision of the House.

3) The issue of Spectre and his influence on passing G.W's judges through remains undecided.


29 posted on 11/17/2004 8:36:02 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: Henchman

Because he WILL be indicted by a leftist rat prosecutor that has a history of politically motivated indictments.

An indictment means nothing. A DA can indict a ham sandwich.


30 posted on 11/17/2004 8:36:31 PM PST by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Your posting of the SNOW job gives me some hope. I also appreciate the positive contributions of many of the posters. I see the Freepers are keeping a watch on the store.

Personally, I would like to see the GOP run Congress like a business, but an HONEST business. We have had too much politics in the past to not know we may be getting "Slick Willied".

I do feel bad that it might give hope to the Dems who are like chameleons. They change their color to match the surroundings, but are still the same animal (No PETA attacks please).

31 posted on 11/17/2004 8:40:15 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon

Thank YOU Sir, for pointing out the obvious corruption of Ronnie Earle, who should be indicted himself for abuse of the prosecutorial authority residing in his office.

And screw this 'all or nothing' attitude I keep hearing from Republicans. That is EXACTLY the mindset that led to the DemocRATs becoming the minority party of special interests, of the abortionists, of the protected minorities, of the environmental wackos, blah-blah-blah, etc., etc.

No, I'm not a big fan of Snarlin' Arlen, but as has already been pointed out, his fellow GOP Senators now have him by the short hairs, and you can bet the rent that he's been put on notice that he better tow the damn line when it comes to getting the President's nominees through committee and down to the Senate floor for an up or down vote.

Remember this: Specter has an ego. That ego does NOT want to see his final term in office end up as a partisan disaster in which his own party turns on him, or even (in the extreme), expels him. He wants to go down in the history books as the most fair minded and thoughtful chairman in the history of the SJC. (whether he does or not, will be up to the historians)

Conservatives have won the battle already regarding Specter. Yes, I have my doubts about him but that is why we will employ the time honored method of Ronald Reagan in that we will 'trust, but verify'. Specter will be under the microscope for the remainder of his years in office and if he deviates in the slightest, he is going to catch pure, living conservative GOP Hellfire.

The Republican Party is becoming more conservative even as we watch the news each day. How else to explain the departure of Colin Powell (yes, yes, he was going to stay only for one term, we've been told) and his replacement, Condi Rice? SHE is going to kick diplomatic ass from one corner of this Earth to the other, and she will be solidly in the President's corner without equivocation. AND, I'll bet that Condi is going to clean out the anti-U.S. rabble and rubbish within the State Department bureaucracy too.

Yes, I know all about the SES and how bureaucrats are 'protected', but they're not protected from being assigned to our new embassy in Antarctica, now are they?

And Porter Goss is going to clean out the CIA of that nest of vipers that were doing everything possible to blindside the President on Iraq and every other foreign policy/intelligence issue, and hopefully - there will not only be resignations and firings, but a few indictments and prison terms for leaking intelligence data to the media before this is all over.

As Rush Limbaugh might say 'my friends, we are in good hands'...so keep your powder dry, sez I.


32 posted on 11/17/2004 8:41:45 PM PST by Mad Mammoth
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To: clee1
"Remember, an indictment is not a conviction."
M/SGT Ernest BILKO
33 posted on 11/17/2004 8:42:31 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: sinkspur

So why change the ethics rule then?


34 posted on 11/17/2004 8:43:45 PM PST by lp boonie (Been there, done that.)
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To: Henchman

You forgot to add the psychiatric assessment and treatment of EVERY child in the nation.
I am sickened at the thought of this intrusion into the parent child relationship. My children are mine and I will fight this with my last breath. I will decide if they need a doctor and I will choose the doctor and I will follow through with treatment that my chosen doctor and I determine to be best for MY children. Government-----MYOB!


35 posted on 11/17/2004 8:47:01 PM PST by kalee
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To: Mad Mammoth
You make a lot of good points. Yes, the DUMs created their power and then destroyed their power because they formed a platform of splinters. Not a single nail in the whole platform.

Conservatives and the GOP (I hope)believe that Conservative Judges, strict Constitutionalists are a corner stone of America. This maxim is a plank and is nailed down, it is not a special interest group but a fundamental building block. Without that block, the country is doomed and political correctness rules, and changes daily.

Accordingly, I do not want Specter to make one (or more) Borked up decisions before he is removed. Yes, I am against abortion, but the underlying Constitutional matter governs. The two are synonymous, but separate.

36 posted on 11/17/2004 8:52:07 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: Henchman; All
Please list all the violations of trust. We will stop when the GOP BORKs Specter and does what is right on all issues. Hold politicians to high ethics and standards others are held to; and work to improve the life of Americans, not foreign workers.

Borking Specter, not a good idea. The GOP's majority is not large enough to steamroll the opposition or to divide the party with infighting over every issue. They're going to need the cooperation of Specter and other RINOs for some time yet. Read some very thoughtful and pragmatic commentary on this over at PowerLine and follow the Hewitt links for more.

It's highly improbable that any of us will ever get the perfect politician according to our personal standards. Better to focus on the most important issues and evaluate the party based on its performance on those issues. In my book, the GOP is doing far better at this time than any alternative we might have,

As to Specter, he has been put on notice. He knows what he has to do in order to justify his chair. And if he doesn't, then unleashing the full fury on him will be more understandable in the minds of the moderate public and the other RINOs, whose votes will be needed to advance the President's agenda on other issues. The goal on this issue is to get a floor vote to approve judges who won't legislate from the bench. Bork Specter and we may lose that opportunity.

As to the food labeling thing, I want labeled food too. But think about it... if USA-grown is perceived as a market advantage, then USA growers will certainly continue voluntarily to label their own food as "produce of USA."
37 posted on 11/17/2004 8:55:18 PM PST by geekchick (A house bitterly divided is part of why the Dems have lost power. Keep them in the minority!)
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To: kalee

Please explain the the GOP involvement. I heard something about that, but my kids are grown, and glossed over that item thinking it was another Dem whacko proposal. My eyes glaze over when I hear that type of nut stuff and do not pay much attention. I am glad people like you are awake to catch the stupidity.


38 posted on 11/17/2004 8:56:26 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: geekchick
Worrying about how many Dems and RINOs who will vote with the GOP is like not taking a chance. If the GOP takes one chance and looses, then compromise. If a few RINOs surface, deal with them in 2006, 2008. If the DEMS filabuster, KEEP THEM UP 24 X 7, no political deals as was permitted on the Judicial Committee.

All products are required to be labeled as to country of origin. Let the foreign shippers pay for the labeling and give the American farmers an economic chance. HEY LOOK AT THE RED AREAS.

Too much "we must compromise" on this and that without a battle is just what Chamberlain did! Short change the electorate who are Conservative, Traditional Americans, mostly in non-city areas and the GOP will slip back to a blocked balance of power. People want government with honesty and integrity, not a political party.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. You come into the world with -0- and leave the same way. In between, life is a gamble, so take a chance!

39 posted on 11/17/2004 9:08:59 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: Henchman
Well, lookie here

THIS might be interesting.

40 posted on 11/17/2004 9:10:33 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis (FR = A pajama party 24/7)
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To: Henchman

http://www.drlaura.com/action/index.html?mode=view&tile=1&id=8317
Here's what Dr. Laura had to say about the subject today.
From something I read elsewhere a couple weeks ago, I believe this is the President's plan. He was also for it in TX when he was governor.


41 posted on 11/17/2004 9:13:53 PM PST by kalee
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To: Henchman
I hope that Specter is the chairman of the judiciary committee. That would insure his support for Bush's selections. If Specter isn't the chairman, he's going to be a thorn in the flesh of the GOP. Specter is also a big supporter of tort reform, and that is very important.

Delay's problems stem from a crazy partisan district attorney in Texas that is trying to undermine the GOP leadership in the House. It's a precaution, and a good one, too.
42 posted on 11/17/2004 9:14:28 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: Henchman

I just checked here on FR and there have been a number of threads on the topic of the mental health screenings. Just type "children mental health screening" into the topic search box and prepare to be upset. I am livid and the more I read the angrier I get.


43 posted on 11/17/2004 9:21:14 PM PST by kalee
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
I posted to that thread previously. Specter was called a moderate on abortion rights; a "L"iberal abortion rights advocate does what? Yes, Specter did say he wouldn't block a pro life candidate on that basis. WHAT BASIS WILL HE USE? If Specter avoids strict constitutionalists for the first nominee, possibly the Supreme Court, we have chaos and the GOP looses a lot of voters. Bork Specter now!

Another poster on the aforementioned thread stated:"In politics, if you don't feel it in your guts, prepare to get kicked in the nuts." There is no need to prepare for that at this time if we follow our instinct.

44 posted on 11/17/2004 9:21:23 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: Nosterrex
You make a valid counter point. If not the chair, what will Specter do? I'll ask another question, why did BUSH campaign for him against Toomey? BUSH must have it all thought out. Perhaps the verbal assault against BUSH's nominees was agreed previously. If Specter Borked BUSH, can't Frist place Specter on another Committee? Yes, Specter will revolt, but he can be informed that he will get nothing through that he wants if he acts so. It is called politics and Specter has not played it right now, or is there an agreement behind the scenes on Specters verbal stupidity?
45 posted on 11/17/2004 9:27:25 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: Henchman

Tom De Lay has been set-up but, I want to know where my food comes from.


46 posted on 11/17/2004 9:33:24 PM PST by blam
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To: kalee
" Posted by the invisib1e hand
On News/Activism 09/09/2004 12:23:59 AM EDT · 8 replies · 232+ views
Liberty Committee | Liberty Committee
September 7 The American tradition of parents deciding what is best for their children is, yet again, under attack. The pharmaceutical industry has convinced President Bush to support mandatory mental-health screening for every child in America, including preschool children, and the industry is now working to convince Congress as well."

Yes, GWB was for "Guest Workers" and Congress explained the facts of life to him on that bill. Let us hope Congress guides the poor lad through this one too. In spite of himself, GWB is being made to look good by the Congress and his advisers. Chaney is a smart man.

Kind of makes you wonder what ticket Bush ran on sometimes. PING me when this one rolls and I'll ride on the bus with you.

47 posted on 11/17/2004 9:35:09 PM PST by Henchman (BORK SPECTER. Email your friends and relatives. PLEASE do it now!)
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To: Henchman

We've seen the Demoncrat party slide deep into Communist doctrine, and the Redpublican party has drifted further left with each passing year. My party has deserted true GOP conservative values, but where else is there for us to go?

I've been encouraged to find here a group of people who still cling with me to the real Grand Old Party, not the neo-party it has evolved into.

As FReepers it is our calling to restore the party to conservatism once again; to champion the original intent of our beloved Constitution. That is why I've changed my tagline since the election.

May God be with us all, for though there are far greater perils on the horizon than Arlen Specter, or where our fruit comes from, we must win each fight one at a time.


48 posted on 11/17/2004 9:54:42 PM PST by Paperdoll (on the cutting edge: OUR FIGHT HAS JUST BEGUN)
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To: MHGinTN

Who do you think picks the tomatoes north of the border?


49 posted on 11/17/2004 9:58:33 PM PST by Rocky
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To: Rocky

I live in a strawberry haven and I know the Mexican families that pick the crops. I also know they live more healthy lives here and I welcome them.


50 posted on 11/17/2004 10:00:15 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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